The Musician's Gig Room Chat V1 - Songwriting and Sound Design for all!

[WoodenSpoon]

[QUOTE=Ott;48996195]What are some Android apps that I can jam with? Looking for something with a drum sequencer, sampling tools (take loops from other songs), and a keyboard.[/QUOTE]

This app is pretty great, give it a shot
[url]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.singlecellsoftware.caustic&hl=en[/url]

[TonyTheBean]

you guys might be interested in this

[video=youtube;orBQp6aSF9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orBQp6aSF9I[/video]

very very interesting. pretty excited to see the rest.

[Wingz]

[QUOTE=TonyTheBean;48998215]you guys might be interested in this

[video=youtube;orBQp6aSF9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orBQp6aSF9I[/video]

very very interesting. pretty excited to see the rest.[/QUOTE]

i like how he showed his skill with the guitar in the end
gives him a better place to talk about the evolution of instruments in music

[llamalords]

[QUOTE=TonyTheBean;48998215]you guys might be interested in this

[video=youtube;orBQp6aSF9I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orBQp6aSF9I[/video]

very very interesting. pretty excited to see the rest.[/QUOTE]

This guy seems really full of himself, and they call him "Mozart" which is really smug. He says instruments are outdated but then goes and samples a piano? Instruments are just things that produce pitches with different timbre. Instruments will always exist because you can musically notate the pitch of a potato being pounded on a octagonal tin can. Sampling isn't new and sampling has its place within various genres.

[paindoc]

[QUOTE=NixNax123;48996132]I really like the fading sample you have at the beginning, really sets the tone for a 'fun' sort of song. The main rhythm is quite simple, but uses that simplicity to its advantage. Not many artists can use a progression like that and extend it through a few minutes, without being repetetive, although it does verge on it (only as a side effect of how long it plays, though).

I have a suggestion for the second rhythm that overlays on top (the quarter note progression). Further along in the song, how would it sound if you take out the fourth beat, and add in its place a percussive clap / snare? I think this would add a better feeling of progression to the song, maybe add it when the main melody starts picking up. Or, you can even try having that throughout the whole song, and then modifying the bass drum rhythm to have some compound triplets in there. I feel like that would work very well with the sixteenth note rhythm you have going on.

Basically, I feel like if you broadened your use of percussion, there would be so much more depth added to the song as a whole (I'm not saying the song is shallow, not at all, I'm just saying that you could add some more rhythms to make it that much more tasteful). Don't be afraid; experiment. See what sounds good. The cool thing about mixing percussion is that it's easy to prototype basic beats and see how they interact with the body of the song.

In my experience, you'd start coming up with stupid beats that don't really make any sense within the context of the piece, but there would be a little part of that beat that makes you think "Hey, that sounds really cool!" And you would have never found that otherwise if you hadn't experimented. And you can build off of that, and make it into something totally unique.

Overall, a really solid piece! It tells a story; it has a beginning, middle, and end; it doesn't overstay its welcome. You obviously know how to compose, now go crazy!

Mind, a lot of my suggestions are just from listening and thinking of how stuff would sound, so there is a huge possibility that the stuff I said may sound like utter shit. :v:

Anyways, here's what I have to offer:

So my friend and I made a cover of the song One More day by Lydia.
My friend is on guitar and bass, and I did the drums, vocals, and production.

[media][URL]https://soundcloud.com/tetramputechture/lydia-one-more-day-full-band-cover[/URL][/media]

I haven't been singing as long as I have been drumming, you can probably tell, but I'm trying my best to get better.[/QUOTE]

Something I noticed in this right away is that the piano sounded a bit off, as in a loop that is too clearly quantized maybe? In the intro it seems all of the piano sound suddenly cuts off then it just pops right back in at full volume a bit later. If its MIDI, consider using sustain, velocity randomization, and giving it a fair serving of reverb (short decay of like 400ms, predelay up a bit) to fill the gaps slightly and give it a bit of space. A bit of reverb applied to the track as a whole could work well, I think- send most of the instruments into a reverb bus except the bass. For the vocals, you can cut a bit of the hissiness with eq'ing in the 4khz+ range I think, and a very very light chorus (5% wet) can create a really interesting effect. That or, if you want to get really fancy, singing those vocals twice more than hard panning each copy left/right, making it reallllly quiet and heavily reverbed and adding it in. Can a lot of texture to the vocal line, thickens the stereo field up, and resinging it instead of just copying and freq shifting makes it sound organic too.

I'd bring the bass up a bit too, or EQ it so it slots in better. A bass guitar is one of the unrecognized driving instruments in music, and some scientific journal just found that in terms of how we perceive the sound people noticed it the most when it was absent or not quite right- or didn't notice it all if it was just right.

[url]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/moresynthwave[/url]

Made another synthwave-ish jam on my synth. Problem is I'm still really bad at playing parts live, or sequencing drums live. I've been practicing piano a lot and time permitting I might even make a video of me playing a track or making a track from scratch. There are some transitions near the 3m mark that I am VERY much not a fan of, I fucked up and hit the wrong button. I feel I could have added more to the drums too- maybe a bit of percussion like a clave or cowbell that I could have just programmed in with the buttons when I needed. I've done it in the past with the snare rim sound for buildups

I just critted my own song, haha

[editline]28th October 2015[/editline]

Oh, and then I was playing with the delay effect onboard and a custom analog-poly sounding patch and just sorta goofed about until i made this weird thing

[url]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/hey-look[/url]

sounds like a modular so if you hate bleeps and bloops probably shouldn't listen.

[TheBab]

Guys, you probably get this a lot, but I recently decided that I want to start making music (using FL, I can't play any instruments).
I don't know the first thing about how to make music and the document in the OP isn't useful for me at this point. I don't even know where to get started. I know the basics of FL Studio but I'm stuck on how to start making a song. I also don't know much about music theory.
Could you give me some pointers?

[nixnax123]

[QUOTE=paindoc;49002537]Something I noticed in this right away is that the piano sounded a bit off, as in a loop that is too clearly quantized maybe? In the intro it seems all of the piano sound suddenly cuts off then it just pops right back in at full volume a bit later. If its MIDI, consider using sustain, velocity randomization, and giving it a fair serving of reverb (short decay of like 400ms, predelay up a bit) to fill the gaps slightly and give it a bit of space. A bit of reverb applied to the track as a whole could work well, I think- send most of the instruments into a reverb bus except the bass. For the vocals, you can cut a bit of the hissiness with eq'ing in the 4khz+ range I think, and a very very light chorus (5% wet) can create a really interesting effect. That or, if you want to get really fancy, singing those vocals twice more than hard panning each copy left/right, making it reallllly quiet and heavily reverbed and adding it in. Can a lot of texture to the vocal line, thickens the stereo field up, and resinging it instead of just copying and freq shifting makes it sound organic too.

I'd bring the bass up a bit too, or EQ it so it slots in better. A bass guitar is one of the unrecognized driving instruments in music, and some scientific journal just found that in terms of how we perceive the sound people noticed it the most when it was absent or not quite right- or didn't notice it all if it was just right.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks so much for the tips, dude! I really appreciate it! Mixing music is one of my most favorite recent hobbies, and posting and reading stuff here sure helps me grow as a musician.

I did most of what you said, and it overall sounds much better and more organic. I would love to double the vocals on the chorus and pan them left and right like you said, but, as you can probably hear, I would have a terrible time trying to redo each chorus perfectly. It took my hours trying to sing each chorus like that the first time! I'm really self conscious about my voice since I don't really sing a lot, but its actually my favorite thing to do. Even more than drumming!

Although, I have a question: what do you mean by
[quote]a very very light chorus (5% wet) can create a really interesting effect. [/quote]
? I'm not that well versed in teminology like this, as I really only have been using Audacity for most of my stuff. That's gonna change, though, when I get a condenser mic + interface that comes with Ableton, and I'm forced to know stuff because I have no excuse not to! woo

[paindoc]

[QUOTE=NixNax123;49003326]Thanks so much for the tips, dude! I really appreciate it! Mixing music is one of my most favorite recent hobbies, and posting and reading stuff here sure helps me grow as a musician.

I did most of what you said, and it overall sounds much better and more organic. I would love to double the vocals on the chorus and pan them left and right like you said, but, as you can probably hear, I would have a terrible time trying to redo each chorus perfectly. It took my hours trying to sing each chorus like that the first time! I'm really self conscious about my voice since I don't really sing a lot, but its actually my favorite thing to do. Even more than drumming!

Although, I have a question: what do you mean by

? I'm not that well versed in teminology like this, as I really only have been using Audacity for most of my stuff. That's gonna change, though, when I get a condenser mic + interface that comes with Ableton, and I'm forced to know stuff because I have no excuse not to! woo[/QUOTE]

ah, audacity would explain it. Chorus is an audio effect that takes the original signal, delays it slightly, then pitchshifts it a bit. It can do this a number of times, and usually the pitch of the modulated signal is modified slightly, but at lfo-like speeds.

Here's a quick example of me playing some chords. I play them at first, go silent, then play them again with the chorus on. It starts at 50% wet and I up it to 80%, then drop it to 10% at the end. You can hear how it harmonizes nicely, and (as much as this term is overused haha) really does texturize and fatten the sound by making it fill out the spectrum a bit.

[url]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/chorus-demo/s-7rq3ll[/url]

[editline]28th October 2015[/editline]

[QUOTE=OmegaSigma;49003261]Guys, you probably get this a lot, but I recently decided that I want to start making music (using FL, I can't play any instruments).
I don't know the first thing about how to make music and the document in the OP isn't useful for me at this point. I don't even know where to get started. I know the basics of FL Studio but I'm stuck on how to start making a song. I also don't know much about music theory.
Could you give me some pointers?[/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/356j4q/a_short_guide_about_finding_inspiration_and/[/url]

[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/edmproduction/comments/2irj9w/a_few_tips_to_get_inspired_stay_motivated_and/[/url]

[editline]28th October 2015[/editline]

I messed up on that link somehow. the chorus is enabled both times. wut.

edit: link fixed

[TheBab]

[QUOTE=paindoc;49002537]Something I noticed in this right away is that the piano sounded a bit off, as in a loop that is too clearly quantized maybe? In the intro it seems all of the piano sound suddenly cuts off then it just pops right back in at full volume a bit later. If its MIDI, consider using sustain, velocity randomization, and giving it a fair serving of reverb (short decay of like 400ms, predelay up a bit) to fill the gaps slightly and give it a bit of space. A bit of reverb applied to the track as a whole could work well, I think- send most of the instruments into a reverb bus except the bass. For the vocals, you can cut a bit of the hissiness with eq'ing in the 4khz+ range I think, and a very very light chorus (5% wet) can create a really interesting effect. That or, if you want to get really fancy, singing those vocals twice more than hard panning each copy left/right, making it reallllly quiet and heavily reverbed and adding it in. Can a lot of texture to the vocal line, thickens the stereo field up, and resinging it instead of just copying and freq shifting makes it sound organic too.

I'd bring the bass up a bit too, or EQ it so it slots in better. A bass guitar is one of the unrecognized driving instruments in music, and some scientific journal just found that in terms of how we perceive the sound people noticed it the most when it was absent or not quite right- or didn't notice it all if it was just right.

[url]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/moresynthwave[/url]

Made another synthwave-ish jam on my synth. Problem is I'm still really bad at playing parts live, or sequencing drums live. I've been practicing piano a lot and time permitting I might even make a video of me playing a track or making a track from scratch. There are some transitions near the 3m mark that I am VERY much not a fan of, I fucked up and hit the wrong button. I feel I could have added more to the drums too- maybe a bit of percussion like a clave or cowbell that I could have just programmed in with the buttons when I needed. I've done it in the past with the snare rim sound for buildups

I just critted my own song, haha
[/QUOTE]

So I'm very new to this and don't really know much of what to say but I liked it, except the panning back and forth made me dizzy after a while. Might just be me.

Anyway I mashed [URL=https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8fkE6fIagwjbnEyY1ZpbUJZYWM/view?usp=sharing]something[/URL] together after getting [URL=http://fwugradiation.tumblr.com/post/9708818050/free-virtual-instrument-recommendations]these[/URL] samples (I'm a huge fan of his) with zero experience in two hours. I kinda dunno what to do next.

[chaz13]

[QUOTE=NixNax123;48996132]
Anyways, here's what I have to offer:

So my friend and I made a cover of the song One More day by Lydia.
My friend is on guitar and bass, and I did the drums, vocals, and production.

[media][URL]https://soundcloud.com/tetramputechture/lydia-one-more-day-full-band-cover[/URL][/media]

I haven't been singing as long as I have been drumming, you can probably tell, but I'm trying my best to get better.[/QUOTE]

Nice! It's cool, the drums have the "recorded in a live room with a not so great set up" vibe which is a little bit of a shame, but does kind of work in this. I think a little EQ to bring the lower end out would do it wonders. The singing isn't going to win you an award any time soon, but I think it fits and it certainly doesn't stick out as a problem. Although I feel it's a little dry, maybe some reverb?

So I decided to take a little break from neuro stuff and try my hand at more poppy DnB, kinda DJ fresh/Chase & status esque.

[media]https://soundcloud.com/prizymmusic/never-forget-you-remix[/media]

[Ott]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/i6SmjPI.png[/img]

Is this what a normal solo looks like?

[nixnax123]

[QUOTE=chaz13;49012384]Nice! It's cool, the drums have the "recorded in a live room with a not so great set up" vibe which is a little bit of a shame, but does kind of work in this. I think a little EQ to bring the lower end out would do it wonders.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's because it is; I recorded this in my basement (with terrible acoustics) and a Rock Band microphone. haha I'll keep that in mind next time!

[quote]The singing isn't going to win you an award any time soon, but I think it fits and it certainly doesn't stick out as a problem. Although I feel it's a little dry, maybe some reverb?
[/quote]

Dude, that means SO MUCH to me! You have no idea how much I think my voice just totally ruined the song. Hearing someone else say it fits is enough for me to be so freaking happy, seriously, thank you. Yeah, I edited it with some more reverb and it certainly meshes better with the song. Thanks!

[QUOTE=chaz13;49012384]
So I decided to take a little break from neuro stuff and try my hand at more poppy DnB, kinda DJ fresh/Chase & status esque.
[media]https://soundcloud.com/prizymmusic/never-forget-you-remix[/media]

[/QUOTE]

Sounds really nice! I loved the intro, how it starts with a light beat in the build up. Really syncs well with the underlying bass line, even though theres no bass drum, which sounds quite cool. I feel like the synth crescendo into the first chorus should start a measure earlier, on the "it's buried deep inside me", just to start when the singer starts going up in range. I think it would be less sudden, and add more musical flavor and suspense.

The general mix on the chorus is amazing, extremely well done. Every piece really meshes well with eachother, it's absolutely stunning. You could probably amplify "'till the day I die" a bit, though; right now, it kind of just fizzles out. Unless that was your intention!

On the next phrase of the song, I like what you did with the mix there; however, it might just be me, but are most of the samples coming through mainly the left channel? Maybe you could do something where you have the first sample come in on left channel, then the next sample "responds" by being in the right channel. And then the main singer comes in through both channels and resolves the conversation. Then, when the guy comes in, I think you could turn his voice up a [I]bit[/I] more, as his part kind of blends in with the instrumentals and he ends up being lost in the background of it all.

I love the added background samples during the second and third choruses, it really adds a sense of progression to the music. That's something I really love, and I always appreciate the artist that much more when I know that they care that much about every second of their music. That really shows here.

In the next verse, just try turning up the main vocals like I said before; these parts in the song sound more like instrumentals with backing vocals running through them the whole time, rather than a special verse for the singers. Again, if that's what you were going for (I'm not quite experienced listened to DnB), it still sounds great as is.

One last thing, is that the very end phrase of the song sounds a little rushed. That is, it sounds like you tried to fit as many samples of them as possible into the last 15 seconds; it ends up sounding a little cluttered. The samples themselves are mixed well, it's just that there is this barrage of them one after the other that kind of wears out the listener. But, as it's the end, it's not that bad, and it works as a sort of 'climax' to the music. And I could see why you would go with that, because the last cymbal hit after all of that beconds the listener to just sit back and let out a satisfied "aaaah". You know what I mean? :v:

Overall this piece is extremely well composed and mixed, and I really had to try hard to think of any valid criticisms. Extremely great stuff, dude, keep it up.

[chaz13]

[QUOTE=NixNax123;49012984]Well, that's because it is; I recorded this in my basement (with terrible acoustics) and a Rock Band microphone. haha I'll keep that in mind next time!

Dude, that means SO MUCH to me! You have no idea how much I think my voice just totally ruined the song. Hearing someone else say it fits is enough for me to be so freaking happy, seriously, thank you. Yeah, I edited it with some more reverb and it certainly meshes better with the song. Thanks!

Sounds really nice! I loved the intro, how it starts with a light beat in the build up. Really syncs well with the underlying bass line, even though theres no bass drum, which sounds quite cool. I feel like the synth crescendo into the first chorus should start a measure earlier, on the "it's buried deep inside me", just to start when the singer starts going up in range. I think it would be less sudden, and add more musical flavor and suspense.

The general mix on the chorus is amazing, extremely well done. Every piece really meshes well with eachother, it's absolutely stunning. You could probably amplify "'till the day I die" a bit, though; right now, it kind of just fizzles out. Unless that was your intention!

On the next phrase of the song, I like what you did with the mix there; however, it might just be me, but are most of the samples coming through mainly the left channel? Maybe you could do something where you have the first sample come in on left channel, then the next sample "responds" by being in the right channel. And then the main singer comes in through both channels and resolves the conversation. Then, when the guy comes in, I think you could turn his voice up a [I]bit[/I] more, as his part kind of blends in with the instrumentals and he ends up being lost in the background of it all.

I love the added background samples during the second and third choruses, it really adds a sense of progression to the music. That's something I really love, and I always appreciate the artist that much more when I know that they care that much about every second of their music. That really shows here.

In the next verse, just try turning up the main vocals like I said before; these parts in the song sound more like instrumentals with backing vocals running through them the whole time, rather than a special verse for the singers. Again, if that's what you were going for (I'm not quite experienced listened to DnB), it still sounds great as is.

One last thing, is that the very end phrase of the song sounds a little rushed. That is, it sounds like you tried to fit as many samples of them as possible into the last 15 seconds; it ends up sounding a little cluttered. The samples themselves are mixed well, it's just that there is this barrage of them one after the other that kind of wears out the listener. But, as it's the end, it's not that bad, and it works as a sort of 'climax' to the music. And I could see why you would go with that, because the last cymbal hit after all of that beconds the listener to just sit back and let out a satisfied "aaaah". You know what I mean? :v:

Overall this piece is extremely well composed and mixed, and I really had to try hard to think of any valid criticisms. Extremely great stuff, dude, keep it up.[/QUOTE]

Thanks! That's without a doubt the best feedback I've ever received, thanks man. I've taken everything you've said into account and I'll post a new version when it's uploaded in a sec. The stuff about the vocals I unfortunately can't do anything about as it's the original acapella from this song that I'm using:

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTyN-DB_v5M[/media]

I actually hadn't listened to the song before right now, just the acapella. It's kinda funny how different is is!

The mix was pretty intimidating so I'm glad you think it's decent - I was quite happy with it actually (and surprised it went so well). This is one of those milestone moments where I feel like I'm getting somewhere which is pretty awesome.

Here's the adjusted version: [media]https://soundcloud.com/prizymmusic/never-forget-you-remix[/media]

[Unreliable]

Well y'all I've been playing a buttload of piano. I haven't posted here in forever, but I'm in the jazz band now playing Lazy Bird which I think is my crowning achievement :D

I'm stuck with practicing jazz though, I've been learning new voicings but if anyone has help with practicing bebop scales that'd be fantastic. I for the love of god don't understand how you can know the correct places to start to make a target note end up on a strong beat. Anything past eighth notes kills me when trying to do this. But playing eighth notes is easy since it's one passing tone. More than one passing tone gets me. If anyone has been here before, please pm me or something; i'm dying.

[Wingz]

anyone know of a super simple midi editor thing
talking just pick some generic midi voices, set up some shit in a piano roll and bada boom
not any fancy editting or something equivilent to a daw
anyone know of something like that?

[Unkle Dada]

[QUOTE=Unreliable;49019194]Well y'all I've been playing a buttload of piano. I haven't posted here in forever, but I'm in the jazz band now playing Lazy Bird which I think is my crowning achievement :D

I'm stuck with practicing jazz though, I've been learning new voicings but if anyone has help with practicing bebop scales that'd be fantastic. I for the love of god don't understand how you can know the correct places to start to make a target note end up on a strong beat. Anything past eighth notes kills me when trying to do this. But playing eighth notes is easy since it's one passing tone. More than one passing tone gets me. If anyone has been here before, please pm me or something; i'm dying.[/QUOTE]

When you're playing bebop, in my experience, it's usually so fast that you can play vaguely the right scale and it will still sound good. At least for fast runs.
But you know, the only way to get better is to practice. What you can do for practice is to download an appropriate backing track, load it into Audacity and use the change tempo function to slow it down, and then practice over that as much as you need, and then increase tempo slightly and repeat.

[Number-41]

[QUOTE=Unreliable;49019194]Well y'all I've been playing a buttload of piano. I haven't posted here in forever, but I'm in the jazz band now playing Lazy Bird which I think is my crowning achievement :D

I'm stuck with practicing jazz though, I've been learning new voicings but if anyone has help with practicing bebop scales that'd be fantastic. I for the love of god don't understand how you can know the correct places to start to make a target note end up on a strong beat. Anything past eighth notes kills me when trying to do this. But playing eighth notes is easy since it's one passing tone. More than one passing tone gets me. If anyone has been here before, please pm me or something; i'm dying.[/QUOTE]

First of all make sure your tempo isn't too high. You can always make things easier by slowing down. Especially for Lazy Bird, which is really dense in chords. For the target note stuff, there's several approaches.

You can sit down and write out a solo and make sure it adheres to the limitations you set up (i.e. chord tone X should land on beat Y). You then play/sing it a couple of times and hopefully there will be some improvement. It's a bit of a boring exercise though.

Or you can practice/transcribe solos by e.g. Red Garland or Bud Powell or any bebop musician for that matter (Charlie Parker should be practised by any instrument to get their bebop chops down).

In the end it's just about trying to absorb as many ways as possible to play a chord progression and to have ideas in your head translate directly to your fingers because you practised it before. No bebop improviser will go "I should start here so I end up there" during a solo. They will have done that a long time ago when they were practising at home.

You can also just not adhere to those rules and start a scale wherever you want and see what works and what doesn't. If you analyse solos, you'll see that this "rule" gets broken often and it still sounds good. I never really paid a lot of attention to it. Go for what sounds good, not what's correct. It's a lot of trial and error, but you'll improve and might find original things that will make you stick out in your solos.

Also don't use backing tracks too much, in my experience it really dulled my creativity. Instead put up a good record and get inspired, then just jam with a metronome. They are handy though to quickly learn a new tune, but I would advise against using it to improve your soloing.

[Wingz]

[QUOTE=Mech Bgum;49019990]Lots of mobile music apps are just like that.[/QUOTE]

it would have to be pc
i dont have a phone lol

[paindoc]

Hey Vaught:

[url]http://www.attackmagazine.com/technique/tone-colour-what-do-filters-do-to-sounds/[/url]

When it comes to producing synthwave/outrun vaught, its all very basic- but it involves knowing how to use these basic sounds well. And how to use the 3 big effects well, too; distortion/overdrive, reverb, and delay. Filter sweeps are a given. Learning to use these as deeply as you can will help you be better at this sort of music, and applies to other genres like Nu Disco/French House as well.

Also, anyone know where I can get samples of cheesy 80's movies lines? I'm thinking stuff like [URL="https://soundcloud.com/nightcrawlermusic/6-nightcrawler-road-blaster2"]this[/URL] (fuck I love how cheesy this song is). I'd really like the line "I need to find myself... out there". Then a sample of a chick saying "Don't go!" or something.

Oddly specific but I've been looking everywhere haha

[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]

another key thing to try: look at doing non linear reverbs, or recording the reverb tails from the drums you're using in a track and playing with them to make them decay weirdly or stuff

essentially play around and get CHEESY

[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]

as much as I love listening to synthwave I decided to make something much more different, inspired by sounds from Liquid DnB I've been listening to lately and [URL="https://soundcloud.com/adius89/sine"]this song[/URL] by one of our very own

[URL="https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/drumsandpiano/s-DQefQ"]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/drumsandpiano/s-DQefQ[/URL]

Going for a gritty vibe partially inspired by some R&B stuff, msotly having fun making types of drum patterns I've never done before. Not quite laying out the drum pattern, either. Might even take it a direction similar to something glitchy

[editline]31st October 2015[/editline]

[URL="https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/glitchmaybe/s-16rnh"]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/glitchmaybe/s-16rnh[/URL]

[Minelayer]

[QUOTE=Wingz;49019494]anyone know of a super simple midi editor thing
talking just pick some generic midi voices, set up some shit in a piano roll and bada boom
not any fancy editting or something equivilent to a daw
anyone know of something like that?[/QUOTE]

onlinesequencer.net

[paindoc]

Well this is a new direction for me.

[URL="https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/less-bad/s-fIXUQ"]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/less-bad/s-fIXUQ[/URL]

Using the wonderful wave of alcohol and inhibitions being gone to try completely new things and make music that doesn't suck. My Halloween is okay ;p

[SentientToilet]

finished another thingy. thought i'd share it
[video]https://soundcloud.com/venadore/invisible[/video]

[chaz13]

[QUOTE=paindoc;49025225]Well this is a new direction for me.

[URL="https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/less-bad/s-fIXUQ"]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/less-bad/s-fIXUQ[/URL]

Using the wonderful wave of alcohol and inhibitions being gone to try completely new things and make music that doesn't suck. My Halloween is okay ;p[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;49026371]finished another thingy. thought i'd share it
[video]https://soundcloud.com/venadore/invisible[/video][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=killerteacup;46922368]
1. If you are posting a song that you are seeking criticism on we will not give you criticism or even listen if you do not first provide feedback for another person's track. There's such thing as a give and take and we like it to happen.[B]Basically if you don't post feedback noone's going to bother with listening to your track.[/B]
[/QUOTE]

C'mon guys.

[paindoc]

Not looking for feedback. Have I ever not posted feedback when looking for criticism? Just sharing
what I'm working on ffs.

[killerteacup]

[QUOTE=paindoc;49027278]Not looking for feedback. Have I ever not posted feedback when looking for criticism? Just sharing
what I'm working on ffs.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but the rule still applies at least a little bit. Even if you're sharing what you're working on at least give some signifier that you're listening to something that someone else shares each time. We decided this a while ago and I've put it up for reconsideration via vote a couple times now and it's still this

Too many people in this thread just use it as a place to drop some track they made, up their playcount and then never visit the thread again until the next time they want to up their playcount a little bit. I know that's not you because you definitely give feedback a lot but like, the same applies for TheDrunkenOne as well and the rules are just what they are I guess

Like the thread just used to be shit because people would just share what they're working on and then the thread was just 10 people throwing their music at a brick wall hoping something would stick lol

[editline]2nd November 2015[/editline]

I mean ultimately paindoc you did post feedback like two posts above so its not exactly a problem with you but there's no need to get angry at him

[SentientToilet]

Alright people, I get it. It's cool.
[QUOTE=paindoc;49025225]Well this is a new direction for me.

[URL="https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/less-bad/s-fIXUQ"]https://soundcloud.com/nofuchsgiven/less-bad/s-fIXUQ[/URL]

Using the wonderful wave of alcohol and inhibitions being gone to try completely new things and make music that doesn't suck. My Halloween is okay ;p[/QUOTE]

I like the way you build up the track and the kicks have a nice punch to them, but I feel like the keys are too low and "soft" compared to the rest.

[paindoc]

[QUOTE=killerteacup;49029149]Sorry but the rule still applies at least a little bit. Even if you're sharing what you're working on at least give some signifier that you're listening to something that someone else shares each time. We decided this a while ago and I've put it up for reconsideration via vote a couple times now and it's still this

Too many people in this thread just use it as a place to drop some track they made, up their playcount and then never visit the thread again until the next time they want to up their playcount a little bit. I know that's not you because you definitely give feedback a lot but like, the same applies for TheDrunkenOne as well and the rules are just what they are I guess

Like the thread just used to be shit because people would just share what they're working on and then the thread was just 10 people throwing their music at a brick wall hoping something would stick lol

[editline]2nd November 2015[/editline]

I mean ultimately paindoc you did post feedback like two posts above so its not exactly a problem with you but there's no need to get angry at him[/QUOTE]

Fair enough- if thats what the rules are its okay. It does feel a little unfair because I was just sharing what I'm doing, I was gonna wait until I did some mastering work to ask for criticism. I also try to just criticize in general and post links to helpful articles or samplepacks/synths I've found- not out of the hope of building up imaginary backlog of owed criticism but just because I enjoy helping people learn and sharing what I've learned/found. But I do feel i've shown I'm not attention whoring or looking for free criticism. Was honestly just sharing for the passion/fun of it, like what I normally do with my crit or learning links.

I'll only post with feedback from now on. Last night I also had just finished the arrangement for that and bounced it down to audio for final FX/eq work before bed, and today I've been studying all day- plan was to come home in evening, do little polish work and post final version with some solid criticism. Which I will be doing in 5-6 hours when I'm finished with school work.

[editline]1st November 2015[/editline]

[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;49029203]Alright people, I get it. It's cool.

I like the way you build up the track and the kicks have a nice punch to them, but I feel like the keys are too low and "soft" compared to the rest.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I agree, but it was recorded from my synth and its really quiet- no noise, thankfully, but I didn't want to use the onboard compressor since I like the dynamic range of the pluckiness on that patch and I can just up it later. Which I will. I also cut out the lower end of the audio and I'll probably sharpen the sound with some EQ work tonight.

I liked your track btw- I [U]will[/U] post indepth criticism tonight, its pretty good as is but I'll throw out what I thought of. I just have piles of HW to get done and if I get it all done now I can do music stuff the rest of the night :D

[killerteacup]

[QUOTE=paindoc;49029298]Fair enough- if thats what the rules are its okay. It does feel a little unfair because I was just sharing what I'm doing, I was gonna wait until I did some mastering work to ask for criticism. I also try to just criticize in general and post links to helpful articles or samplepacks/synths I've found- not out of the hope of building up imaginary backlog of owed criticism but just because I enjoy helping people learn and sharing what I've learned/found. But I do feel i've shown I'm not attention whoring or looking for free criticism. Was honestly just sharing for the passion/fun of it, like what I normally do with my crit or learning links.

I'll only post with feedback from now on. Last night I also had just finished the arrangement for that and bounced it down to audio for final FX/eq work before bed, and today I've been studying all day- plan was to come home in evening, do little polish work and post final version with some solid criticism. Which I will be doing in 5-6 hours when I'm finished with school work.

[editline]1st November 2015[/editline]

Thanks. I agree, but it was recorded from my synth and its really quiet- no noise, thankfully, but I didn't want to use the onboard compressor since I like the dynamic range of the pluckiness on that patch and I can just up it later. Which I will. I also cut out the lower end of the audio and I'll probably sharpen the sound with some EQ work tonight.

I liked your track btw- I [U]will[/U] post indepth criticism tonight, its pretty good as is but I'll throw out what I thought of. I just have piles of HW to get done and if I get it all done now I can do music stuff the rest of the night :D[/QUOTE]

The amount that you do give criticism is absolutely fair enough - my general guideline is that if you post feedback on a page you get to post one of your things on a page so yeah

At the end of the day this is only a thread on facepunch so whatever hey

[paindoc]

[QUOTE=killerteacup;49029449]The amount that you do give criticism is absolutely fair enough - my general guideline is that if you post feedback on a page you get to post one of your things on a page so yeah

At the end of the day this is only a thread on facepunch so whatever hey[/QUOTE]

But keeping the thread nice and productive is best done by following the rules, and the little clarification doesn't hurt. Ain't even mad. I'll pair my criticism with a nice side of whatever song I've finished lately- my new tactic is to stop trying to make long songs (4-5m) and just chug out 1:30-2m long songs instead for a few months because of school and stuff. So I'll have a backlog shortly I think.

[Nitro836]

I am curious about some things, so I will ask about them.

If I wanted to get into music making, but have no instruments of my own, what should I do?
There are all kinds of music creating software to my knowledge, but do any stand out?

Also, looking at some of them, they seem incredibly daunting to look at for an untrained person like myself. But I assume there are places an user can get some help to figure out basics.