It looks alright, however hard to say without trying it. And yeah bud, what's with the absolutely crap image quality?
[QUOTE=Topgamer7;35866589]It looks alright, however hard to say without trying it. And yeah bud, what's with the absolutely crap image quality?[/QUOTE]
Facebook fucks up images.
The 'minimalistic' theme actually looks alright.
Aside from the 'HARDCODE' backdrop/watermark. Unnecessary, IMHO.
It could maybe use some subtle differentiation between elements, though. As-is, it all sort of blends together into one homogeneous lump. And please, dear god, no neon borders. That isn't what I mean by 'subtle differentiation'.
[QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;35866842]Aside from the 'HARDCODE' backdrop/watermark. Unnecessary,.[/QUOTE]
It's removable.
In my opinion, if this does become free, it would be nice to have as open-source as an entirety, and not as a partially open-source project.
I can assure you will more than likely have more assistance from some other devs (if hosted on a repo somewhere publicly).
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35774297]
we just don't want all our hard work to be let loose on the internet. We would like to keep the project on track. We may allow branches later.
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I honestly don't understand why you would want to withhold code if this scenario eventually comes to exist. Projects can be kept on track through a central repo you/your team manages. Hard work, I can somewhat understand this point (although it's hard to relate, since I release all of my code under WTFPL).
I'd think that you'd squash more bugs in the long run with it being completely open-source, rather than just part of it.
This is simply an opinion however, so take it how you'd like to.
Apparently your hard work lessens if you make it open source.
Imho open source projects are more successful in the psychological way. People get to learn from your code' and praise you for it. Just look at eclipse, it's open source and it has all those awesome plugins.
Not to be a stick in the mud, but OP seems to have disappeared, which is weird considering their Twitter and Facebook are constantly being updated.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35870372]Not to be a stick in the mud, but OP seems to have disappeared, which is weird considering their Twitter and Facebook are constantly being updated.[/QUOTE]
he's just sick of all the trolling and negativity !
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We are hard at work on the IDE, we will answer questions as time allows. You can follow our FB page and Twitter feed for development progress (we will soon have a development blog up too). We will update the OP on occasion with new information and announcements, so keep checking back.
PS: Update posted, it is a bit overdue, most of this was completed a little while ago.
So where's that list at? I don't mean to detract from the main topic of the thread, but you've been "compiling" this list for days now. It shouldn't take you days for something like that, especially when you used it to big up your own IDE.
We have been asked by a select few for a list concerning our a line on our website that everyone seems to have taken the wrong way. For those that don't know what was said we stated that we think most other IDE's are badly designed. This was mostly with concern to the user interface and interactive side of the IDE. We originally stated that we would compile a list, and we have actually done this. Its currently 1800 words long, and we were going to post it here to actually just get this over with. Now heres where things are going to change slightly. Firstly after a very long meeting we have decided to NOT post it here because we (to be blatantly honest) are tired of everyone thinking we are bashing other IDE's, and we don't want everyone to take this the wrong way again. If you think we are bashing other IDE's then you are very wrong. We love netbeans, we love coda, Textmate, sublime text and most IDE's that exist. We didn't even mention names in that line and so you cant really say that we are bashing your favorite IDE, because we are not. We generally love most of the features that all these IDE's provide but we find each IDE lacking in other areas. *
On a side note regarding the entire design of our IDE. Firstly, its a work in progress and by definition, it means we are literally still changing and working on the physical design and operation of the application itself. ALSO it seems everyone has major issue with the transparency. Now if you look at the very first post, it was stated (also in comments and other posts on many other social and internet based networks) that the user interface can 100% change with respect to every single pixel - including alpha masks. This means that you can make theme that really suits your style of work if you don't like any of the included themes. And yes, you can turn of the hardcode branding, as (we hope most developers know) these things are literally adjustable with a simple boolean. So please, if you don't like it, just turn the feature off.
While we welcome contructive criticism, we will be ignoring any issues that we have already addressed. We do take the comments into account, and will continue to do so as well as implement of some of your suggestions (as the new themes have shown). *But if you honestly hate the IDE, then thats fine, no one is forcing you to switch and forcefully use it. We do however think that if you give us a chance to think differently and really come up with something that could change the face of programming, then you might be pleasantly surprised. Again, its a work in progress, and progress can only be achieved when everyone is willing to provide constructive feedback.
We'd love your contributions to help us make an IDE that you WANT to use.
Kind regards, The HardCode team.
Wait.. So you compiled a detailed list of design flaws in IDEs, but you're not going to post it because you don't want people think you're bashing other IDEs? That makes no sense.
The request of the list has nothing to do with bashing, it has to do with providing evidence behind claims.
On top of that, you've just clarified that you're not bashing anything yet you've kept the main statement in the first post, showing you obviously don't care that people misinterpret your statements as long as they're not bashful on your standards. Is it possible that the list itself is bashful?
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876193]Wait.. So you compiled a detailed list of design flaws in IDEs, but you're not going to post it because you don't want people think you're bashing other IDEs? That makes no sense.
The request of the list has nothing to do with bashing, it has to do with providing evidence behind claims.
On top of that, you've just clarified that you're not bashing anything yet you've kept the main statement in the first post, showing you obviously don't care that people misinterpret your statements as long as they're not bashful on your standards. Is it possible that the list itself is bashful?[/QUOTE]
In case you missed what you just read, they're asking for constructive criticism, and you're not helping at all.
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[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;35876419]In case you missed what you just read, they're asking for constructive criticism, and you're not helping at all.[/QUOTE]
Constructive criticism: Make it FOSS, release a demo. There's not enough information to see anything else bad about the project.
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35772942]Finally, because [B]we know how badly most editors are designed[/B], we decided to take this project head on with the most incredible user interface system that can possibly ever exist.[/QUOTE]
I understand now that this isn't bashing, although it does come off as it, at least to me.
All I want is the statement I bolded to be backed up. Could you send me a PM with the list, seeing as I'm the only person who cares?
[editline]9th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35876480]-snip-[/QUOTE]
THE ONE TIME I SHOULD'VE QUOTED SOMEBODY I GET THIS
If I were to sum up the above post, it'd be that it just responded to my statements with a quote to the section of post I was critiquing, and saying that I should re-read it to answer my repetitive questions.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876580]Constructive criticism: Make it FOSS, release a demo. There's not enough information to see anything else bad about the project.
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We are not about to rush our work, we are working at a speed that is comfortable and secure. We are not going to rush it and risk having to come back later. Have patience and if any constructive criticism comes up that noone else has mentioned, please mention it.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876580]
I understand now that this isn't bashing, although it does come off as it, at least to me.
All I want is the statement I bolded to be backed up. Could you send me a PM with the list, seeing as I'm the only person who cares?
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Please refer to our post (We are not about to bash other IDE's, it is not what was intended in that original post and we are not about to change to suit your meaning).
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876580]
[editline]9th May 2012[/editline]
THE ONE TIME I SHOULD'VE QUOTED SOMEBODY I GET THIS
If I were to sum up the above post, it'd be that it just responded to my statements with a quote to the section of post I was critiquing, and saying that I should re-read it to answer my repetitive questions.[/QUOTE]
If you read the post above that you would have noticed we covered your question in there, most of your posts towards us have been regarding the same topic and the same question. It is therefore deemed in our eyes repetitive.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876193]Wait.. So you compiled a detailed list of design flaws in IDEs, but you're not going to post it because you don't want people think you're bashing other IDEs? That makes no sense.
The request of the list has nothing to do with bashing, it has to do with providing evidence behind claims.
On top of that, you've just clarified that you're not bashing anything yet you've kept the main statement in the first post, showing you obviously don't care that people misinterpret your statements as long as they're not bashful on your standards. Is it possible that the list itself is bashful?[/QUOTE]
Can't you focus on something else for 10 minutes. Constantly hassling him/them for a list that you want isn't constructive
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35876707]We are not about to rush our work, we are working at a speed that is comfortable and secure. We are not going to rush it and risk having to come back later. Have patience and if any constructive criticism comes up that noone else has mentioned, please mention it.[/QUOTE]
I meant as in a beta demo to show it's functionality and let people get used to it.
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35876707]Please refer to our post (We are not about to bash other IDE's, it is not what was intended in that original post and we are not about to change to suit your meaning).[/QUOTE]
I don't want you to bash other IDEs. I just want to know what makes these IDEs badly designed, and you have a list explaining it in detail.
[editline]9th May 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Icedshot;35876759]Can't you focus on something else for 10 minutes. Constantly hassling him/them for a list that you want isn't constructive[/QUOTE]
Fine. Hmm, what else can I ask about this.. In one of the screenshots in the main post, there's a '384kb/s' text next to the version number. What's that about?
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876779]I meant as in a beta demo to show it's functionality and let people get used to it.
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We are keeping our Facebook and Twitter updated, please follow it if you would like to be kept up-to-date with development. We won't have an alpha release until we are satisfied that it is mostly bug-free.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876779]
I don't want you to bash other IDEs. I just want to know what makes these IDEs badly designed, and you have a list explaining it in detail.[/QUOTE]
Still not sharing
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876779]
[editline]9th May 2012[/editline]
Fine. Hmm, what else can I ask about this.. In one of the screenshots in the main post, there's a '384kb/s' text next to the version number. What's that about?[/QUOTE]
That is the internet speed (the one displayed in image belongs to our one programmer).
[QUOTE=Jookia;35876779][quote=Icedshot]Can't you focus on something else for 10 minutes. Constantly hassling him/them for a list that you want isn't constructive[/quote]
Fine. [/QUOTE]
[b]THERE REALLY [i]IS[/i] A GOD![/b]
Maybe this thread can finally move on to productive things. How many pages have been filled with you asking for that damn list, and other people telling you to just stop?
I mean, seriously, this thread has six pages, and almost nothing productive has been established in them!
Thank you, Jookia! I was getting really, really tired of seeing "Oh, HardCode has 8 new posts, I wonder if there's been some progress! [...] Nope, just Jookia bitching about that god-damn list, and people telling him to stop, again..."
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35876888]We are keeping our Facebook and Twitter updated, please follow it if you would like to be kept up-to-date with development. We won't have an alpha release until we are satisfied that it is mostly bug-free.[/QUOTE]
Alrighty. I'll be glad to follow.
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35876888]Still not sharing[/quote]
I guess that sums up the whole list thing then. If you're not going to share something you said you'd share earlier, could you at least remove the statement that you're not going to back up? It's not because it's bashful, but because usually bold statements like those have some kind of substance behind them, whereas yours has this 6 post topic ending with that statement. I know it's the Internet and all, but it kind of pisses me off when people throw shit like this out. Look at Steve Ballmer saying Linux infringes on 235 patents, then not telling anybody what they are.
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35876888]That is the internet speed (the one displayed in image belongs to our one programmer).[/QUOTE]
Why do I need to know this in an IDE? How is it checking this? Will it use up bandwidth finding this information?
[QUOTE=Jookia;35877019]
I guess that sums up the whole list thing then. If you're not going to share something you said you'd share earlier, could you at least remove the statement that you're not going to back up? It's not because it's bashful, but because usually bold statements like those have some kind of substance behind them, whereas yours has this 6 post topic ending with that statement. I know it's the Internet and all, but it kind of pisses me off when people throw shit like this out. Look at Steve Ballmer saying Linux infringes on 235 patents, then not telling anybody what they are.
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Seriously, everytime i look at this thread all i see is you bitching about the list. Not to be rude, but would you awfully mind talking about something else permanently? Its a little tiring. Yes, he hasn't released the list. Maybe it doesn't exist. I don't really care, I'm more interested in the progress that gets made on the IDE and weighing up the pros and cons for myself, and seeing if there are any interesting features that merit me following the project
I don't particularly want to see every post by him/them countered with "SO WHERES THAT LIST HURR DURR I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET YOU GUYS MUST SUCK OR SOMETHING"
Its starting to grate intensely. At the very least, confine it to PMs. This thread is for discussion about the IDE, not "Jookia bitches about the lack of his list"
[QUOTE=Jookia;35877019]
I guess that sums up the whole list thing then. If you're not going to share something you said you'd share earlier, could you at least remove the statement that you're not going to back up? It's not because it's bashful, but because usually bold statements like those have some kind of substance behind them, whereas yours has this 6 post topic ending with that statement. I know it's the Internet and all, but it kind of pisses me off when people throw shit like this out. Look at Steve Ballmer saying Linux infringes on 235 patents, then not telling anybody what they are.
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Nope, already explained why.
[QUOTE=Jookia;35877019]
Why do I need to know this in an IDE? How is it checking this? Will it use up bandwidth finding this information?[/QUOTE]
No, it will not use bandwidth, it measures it as the data comes through, it related to the collaborative coding, FTP, SVN, GIT, etc. You can easily disable it (Please refer to [b]Update 1[/b] at the bottom of the original post for an example of the themes)
[QUOTE=CountNoobula;35877108]No, it will not use bandwidth, it measures it as the data comes through, it related to the collaborative coding, FTP, SVN, GIT, etc. You can easily disable it (Please refer to [b]Update 1[/b] at the bottom of the original post for an example of the themes)[/QUOTE]
Ah. Another two things I see in the screenshots are the tab 'empty document' always being selected. Is that a bug? The documents aren't empty. I also see some numbers next to some files in the file pane. What're they?
[QUOTE=Jookia;35877175]Ah. Another two things I see in the screenshots are the tab 'empty document' always being selected. Is that a bug? The documents aren't empty. I also see some numbers next to some files in the file pane. What're they?[/QUOTE]
The tab empty document is simply a tab we have never bothered to close when taking the screen shots.
PS: It is not selected, if you compare the class name to the file name you will notice a different class is open, unfortunately that screenshot was before our tab highlighting was finalised.
In the most recent light skin, that is simply text pasted we haven't saved, similar to the most recent minimal skin.
The numbers are the number of files inside of the folder, just a small feature we need to implement.
Before you yell that they are inaccurate, you will notice on the right of the first screenshot in a greyish color, the text "CONCEPT ART / WIP HYBRID".
Maybe a list of functions and ways this IDE differs from other IDE's would be a better thing to release?
It would satisfy Jookia as it will show things you don't like with other IDE's, and at the same time would be a list of things and reasons why to use this over any other IDE.
I'm still quite excited about using this... I'm a sucker for things that might make other people ask me if I'm a hacker ;)
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'twas supposed to be a joke, people :\
Observations:
Jookia has like a vendetta against OP, and I keep thinking he's Wyzard because of his avatar.
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