vBulletin API for FP - Developers

[QUOTE=pikzen;24819892]What's so good about XenForo ? Is there some machine that prints money that comes with it when you buy it ?[/QUOTE] The entire piece of software is like sexual intercourse in code. :iia: [editline]10:26PM[/editline] [QUOTE=compwhizii;24818881]Yeah but we're moving to vBulletin and that's what I'm writing the API for[/QUOTE] You could just write one for XF when it's released. Then we'd have an awesome forum software with an API and shiny UI, instead of a mediocre forum software with an API and shiny UI.

[QUOTE=aVoN;24819084]To 1) It may look "ugly" to you but not to the coder. Other people's sourcecode always looks shitty if you read it yourself. To 2) That might be the only good thing To 3) TapaTalk's API is documented. You only have to register at their site. To 6) Yeah, you two develop the app. But still I wonder: Why to reinvent the wheel? Did you code your own OS because "Windows is coded messy"? (Same counts for linux. Just look at the kernel-code. It's a mess sometimes. Still people are using it). The most downside I see with a "custom" API and APP is, that people now have to wait until the app and API are finished (weeks to months). Then people have to test the app until it's bugfree (Maybe it will never be because someone drops the work on it). Or the app misses things which we like from apps we know e.g. TapaTalk. Why don't you just allow TapaTalk (it takes no time to install it) for those who want to use it and then get on developing your API and App as alternative? You lose nothing (besides of that you now know that "ugly code" is used). We gain much.[/QUOTE] The app will be finished. Tapatalk doesn't support all the custom features we have on FP, the event log, the ticker and so on. I've seen a grand total of about 3 people who whine to get Tapatalk installed. If you think I've missed something in the app, then tell me and in all likelyhood, I'll add it in.

[QUOTE=Hexxeh;24820058]The app will be finished. Tapatalk doesn't support all the custom features we have on FP, the event log, the ticker and so on. I've seen a grand total of about 3 people who whine to get Tapatalk installed. If you think I've missed something in the app, then tell me and in all likelyhood, I'll add it in.[/QUOTE] Why the push for TapaTalk anyway? I'd prefer something 'locally branded' (i.e. made by an FP'er).

[QUOTE=Qombat;24820097]Why the push for TapaTalk anyway? I'd prefer something 'locally branded' (i.e. made by an FP'er).[/QUOTE] What does it matter who makes it? If it is good, than it is good. Don't get your rocks off just because an FP'er made it. I also agree that a custom API should be developed, mostly for the additional features. Will the API be released openly to the public? Or is it just being built to be used with phones/tablets?

It will be open.

[QUOTE=Hexxeh;24820058]The app will be finished. Tapatalk doesn't support all the custom features we have on FP, the event log, the ticker and so on. I've seen a grand total of about 3 people who whine to get Tapatalk installed. If you think I've missed something in the app, then tell me and in all likelyhood, I'll add it in.[/QUOTE] Sure, there are things missing in TapaTalk. But I'm sure, once the FP App is released, I will miss features on that app for sure which are in TapaTalk. Of course, you will add those features later if someone asks to. But that may take time. Anyway, as I said I have nothing against a custom FP App or API but would like see TapaTalk support for those, who already own TapaTalk. It's just that easy by installing the addon. [editline]01:17PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Qombat;24820097]Why the push for TapaTalk anyway? I'd prefer something 'locally branded' (i.e. made by an FP'er).[/QUOTE] Because I rather would like to have [b]one[/b] app installed (which also already is in a working state for several mobile platforms - Android,iPhone,Symbian,BlackBerry), which serves me all my favorite boards in [b]one[/b] style than having several apps installed for every single board who thinks it needs it's own app. Not to forget that these apps also would look differently, take space on the (limited) phone storage and [U]also have to be coded[/U] first which takes time. Still you can use the "locally branded" app which will be anyway released by FP later. But I'd like to have TapaTalk support. People can chose then.

Why don't we add tapatalk to shut him up because I dont want 3 pages or arguments on why tapatalk is amazing and better than having our own fully supported app.

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;24822003]Why don't we add tapatalk to shut him up because I dont want 3 pages or arguments on why tapatalk is amazing and better than having our own fully supported app.[/QUOTE] I never said it is or has to be better. I just said it should be added (among a future "FP"-API) because it only takes 10 minutes to add it and rises the ability for people on Android OS, iPhone OS, Symbian OS and BlackBerry OS to browse FP (and many other boards - not necessarily running vBulletin - which do support TapaTalk) on their mobile - With hardly any afford for the board maintainers (upload script via ftp, setup config, done).

[QUOTE=codenamecueball;24822003]Why don't we add tapatalk to shut him up because I dont want 3 pages or arguments on why tapatalk is amazing and better than having our own fully supported app.[/QUOTE] Because we don't need two plugins just to satisfy a few whining people. He bought Tapatalk, that's his loss. We've never claimed to support it and don't intend to. [editline]05:30PM[/editline] [QUOTE=aVoN;24820468]Sure, there are things missing in TapaTalk. But I'm sure, once the FP App is released, I will miss features on that app for sure which are in TapaTalk. Of course, you will add those features later if someone asks to. But that may take time.[/QUOTE] So what if it takes time, if it's for a better end product what's the problem...

just dropping this here: [IMG]http://cl.ly/2OET/content[/IMG]

Sites for Facepunchers should make use of the new OpenID provider function :) What would be on there? API key registration? Documentation?

A simple place for WAYWO developers and other developers to post bits of code, with everyone having his own place :3: Like a small SourceForge or GitHub

[QUOTE=compwhizii;24814309]Thanks that's so relavent to this.[/QUOTE] Thought you'd say something like that.

[QUOTE=Hexxeh;24822820]So what if it takes time, if it's for a better end product what's the problem...[/QUOTE] Seriously I tried to make you convince with any kind of arguments I had and all I got was pure ignorance. I tried to make you see the advantages of TapaTalk-Support (In [B][U]addition[/U][/B] installed to your later work!) and you are not including it just because you are too proud of your own App + API? I can understand that point because I ran into similar situations much way too often but I never said [B][U]only[/U][/B] but [B][U]additionally[/U][/B] which might hurt none but help some. Just all facts again I tried to show you: TapaTalk: [list] [*]Already proven to work [*]App exists already for various platforms: iPhone,Android,Symbian,BlackBerry [*]API has been ported to various boards: vBulletin,phpBB,IPBoard,SimpleMachine [*]A huge amount of boards already have it installed [*]Version which supports posting costs $9.99. Free version (read only) exists. [*]There [U]do exist[/U] people (surprise, surprise) who already are using it because it is already on the market for quite a while. (And I'm not the only one. Just maybe the only one posting about it all day long here) [*][highlight]No afford for installation/setup serverside[/highlight] [/list] Besides the fact it costs a bit, it has many advantages. Adding this additionally to your later API/App means no afford for you but support for us (the people). Your APP/API [list] [*]Meant to be a clean and easy API how I saw so far. [*]But it is not finished yet or has been proven to work on regular basis. [*]You are currently writing the iPhone App, later the one for Android. But what's with Symbian,BlackBerry or WinMobile? [*]Will the API be ported to other boards than vBulletin? [*]Will the App work on other (for now vBulletin) boards too, or does every other board-maintainer need to code his own app based on your API? If so, they will most likely switch to existing solutions with the least afford. [*]Even if your app's source is released among the API, every board who decides to maintain his own app will flood the phones (n apps for n boards? Why not one app for an infinite amount of boards?) [*]You will most probably charge people for the iPhone version, because you need to pay a yearly fee to develop iOS stuff. Those who have TapaTalk already bought will need to spent money again. [/list] Sure, there is no point against your work after you have already started it before there was the "app"-talk. Once it reaches the same or even more capabilities like TapaTalk it could also become important. All over, it does not harm anyone to add TapaTalk (In addition to your work) especially for the red marked reason. It will just make everything easier for us users by you investing an additionally microscopic amount of work (upload plugin, done) compared to your own APP + API. And it will make people like me stop asking for TapaTalk support also. It saves both our time and just has positive parts.

Suggestion: To ensure floods of "HURR DURR GENERAL DISCUSSIONS APP", API key requests have to be verified and accepted.

[QUOTE=aVoN;24828726]Wall o' text[/QUOTE] Nobody cares.

[QUOTE=aVoN;24828726] [*]Version which supports posting costs $9.99. Free version (read only) exists. [/QUOTE] 10$ for this piece of shit? Yeah, no wonder FP doesn't use this.

[QUOTE=aVoN;24828726] [list] [*]Will the API be ported to other boards than vBulletin? [b]Nobody cares about that, this is a FP API, FP is on VBulletin, nobody cares of SMF for this[/b] [*]Will the App work on other (for now vBulletin) boards too, or does every other board-maintainer need to code his own app based on your API? If so, they will most likely switch to existing solutions with the least afford. [b]FP is on VBulletin, this is a VBulletin API[/b] [*]Even if your app's source is released among the API, every board who decides to maintain his own app will flood the phones (n apps for n boards? Why not one app for an infinite amount of boards?)[b]This is a FP specific API[/b] [*]You will most probably charge people for the iPhone version, because you need to pay a yearly fee to develop iOS stuff. Those who have TapaTalk already bought will need to spent money again.[b]There will be a paid version and a free one with iAds[/b] [/list] [/QUOTE] Hell, do you get a percentage every time you sell this piece of shit that is TapaTalk ?

[QUOTE=Crhem van der B;24838936]10$ for this piece of shit? Yeah, no wonder FP doesn't use this.[/QUOTE] Just the version for writing. But don't forget people, who already have it bought because of many boards supporting it. Be glad I included every Pros and Cons instead of just showing the pros or cons (depending on the side you defend). Also: How I understand the whole topic on Hexxeh's app, he will sell it on at least iPhone OS (because developing and putting stuff into the app-store costs a yearly fee) and he also mentioned about "Android Market's licensing being shit so he will use his own" which indicates he will also sell it on Android platforms. [editline]12:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=pikzen;24839374]Hell, do you get a percentage every time you sell this piece of shit that is TapaTalk ?[/QUOTE] No, not at all. Hexxeh said, they will make their API open and I asked how it will be distributed and what could be limits compared to [b]already finished and to other boards ported/b] API. My main point is installing TapaTalk is no afford and should be considered to be added in addition to FP's API so people can decide what to use. Seriously, if every board develops it's own App, your phone gets messed up with tons of apps for every board you use. That's a waste. [editline]01:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Qombat;24838629]Nobody cares.[/QUOTE] Judging on my "wall of text", at least I do care. I just clarified my point. If you don't care, get out. [b]Anyway[/b] How it seems I can't make you convince including my suggested API amongst your's, so I just can do one thing: Investing time (and that will be MORE than just 10 minutes it would take you by installing TapaTalk) by writing a god damn wrapper of your API to TapaTalk's, installing that script on my server and giving people (at least me) access to it. That is the most unsatisfactory but working method to get around the "my API is better, so no TapaTalk-support"-ideology problem.

There will be a free version which is supported by iAds on iOS. Undecided as to how things will work on Android at the moment. Tapatalk is a terrible app, doesn't support half of the FP specific features and is very expensive at $10. We won't be supporting it.

Thank you Hexxeh for understanding that not everybody has 10$ to waste at crap like this.

Why can't we just get a mobile skin? Instead of all these apps?

[QUOTE=Nisd;24839980]Why can't we just get a mobile skin? Instead of all these apps?[/QUOTE] The Safari browser on iOS is notoriously bad at caching resources. Even with a mobile skin it's still going to use more data than a dedicated app.

[QUOTE=Nisd;24839980]Why can't we just get a mobile skin? Instead of all these apps?[/QUOTE] The version of VB we're transferring to will have a mobile skin in a future VB update.

[QUOTE=Hexxeh;24839651]There will be a free version which is supported by iAds on iOS. Undecided as to how things will work on Android at the moment. Tapatalk is a terrible app, doesn't support half of the FP specific features and is very expensive at $10. We won't be supporting it.[/QUOTE] Using Tapatalk is still a lot faster than using a mobile browser. Personally I don't use Tapatalk, but your reasoning doesn't make much sense. Just because you copy the TapaTalk script on the server doesn't mean you have to use it.

[QUOTE=Robber;24842482]Using Tapatalk is still a lot faster than using a mobile browser. Personally I don't use Tapatalk, but your reasoning doesn't make much sense. Just because you copy the TapaTalk script on the server doesn't mean you have to use it.[/QUOTE] It's terrible and I wouldn't want to be basically endorsing a terrible app, thereby encouraging people to spend $10 on it.

Hexxeh after this we should do a TapaTalk clone and make it a metric fuckton better.

tapatalk is £1.79 not $10 I'd rather buy one app for all forums than pay 59p for a fp specific one with worthless features like ratings. and I'm not gonna browse the forum with an ad taking up precious screen space. tapatalk supports everything that you need on a mobile device: reading posts, replying, checking your subscriptions and PMs. and if I'm not mistaken hexxeh's app isn't going to be native.

It's native.

This thread is a textbook case of bike shedding