[QUOTE=TerabyteS_;33454305]Is there a way to make a div fill the rest of the vertical space not taken by other divs? I guess not, right?[/QUOTE]
Uh... What?
[QUOTE=Catdaemon;33447359]well yeah
If you can cook, cooking is easy. Unless you're cooking for vegetarians, then you have to make them a special dish because they don't [b]support meat[/b].[/QUOTE]
That's not a problem, just write a class method that lets them support meat
[QUOTE=TerabyteS_;33454020]I don't even understand how they manage to get such old browsers. It's.. hard.[/QUOTE]
Africa
[url]http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/4/5/the-sakawa-boys-inside-the-bizarre-criminal-world-of-ghana%E2%80%99s-cyber-juju-email-scam-gangs[/url]
[opinion]I thought I'd elaborate on my opinion through the use of car analogies. Say you're a car designer and it's your job to design an all terrain vehicle (demographic-free website), you're of course going to make the car perform generally the same amongst all terrain (browsers) as you don't know what type of terrain and roads the car is going to be driving on. If you were going to design an off road car (moderately tech savvy demographic website), then you're off course going to make it perform very well off-road (modern browsers) and make it perform as well as you can on roads (old browsers). For some reason most of you seem to have the mindset that as long as it works off road you can say fuck off to the large majority of people that drive on the highway. You don't know peoples reasons for using an old browser or even a current one that doesn't support most web standards. They could be using a screen reader, work in a corporate environment, mobile device, tech illiterate or they might even prefer the UI of said browser. It's not the users fault if your website looks like shit, it's yours and yours alone.[/opinion]
Hopefully that clears up my previous arrogance in my posts.
My finished product: [url]http://riviaro.com/[/url]
(Technically first website. First time ever using CSS.)
[QUOTE=Armyis1337;33458856]My finished product: [url]http://riviaro.com/[/url]
(Technically first website. First time ever using CSS.)[/QUOTE]
[b]Various things I noticed:[/b]
1. If you're going to include an XHTML and CSS verify-er at the bottom of your page, make sure the links are valid.
2. If you want something to look like a link but not point anywhere, just remove the "href" from the tag instead of making it point to "#". For example, the "our menus" link in the navigation.
3. This is merely my opinion, but using an unordered list to separate your links is somewhat redundant as they are already surrounded by an <a> tag.
4. The "our passion", "our place", and "our people" images have false alt altributes. They say they are pictures of food. (pretty much every single image on every page has this issue as well)
5. You might want to fix the aliasing issues on [url=http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8038/screenshot2011112704172.png]the image on the homepage[/url].
Other than that, I guess it looks alright for using somebody else's CSS template. Keep learning and maybe next time you can make a design from scratch.
I'm not going to be able to post on here as often, in the meantime take a gander at ye ole twitter [url=http://twitter.com/adambratt/]@adambratt[/url]
[QUOTE=Jelly;33458520][opinion]I thought I'd elaborate on my opinion through the use of car analogies. Say you're a car designer and it's your job to design an all terrain vehicle (demographic-free website), you're of course going to make the car perform generally the same amongst all terrain (browsers) as you don't know what type of terrain and roads the car is going to be driving on. If you were going to design an off road car (moderately tech savvy demographic website), then you're off course going to make it perform very well off-road (modern browsers) and make it perform as well as you can on roads (old browsers). For some reason most of you seem to have the mindset that as long as it works off road you can say fuck off to the large majority of people that drive on the highway. You don't know peoples reasons for using an old browser or even a current one that doesn't support most web standards. They could be using a screen reader, work in a corporate environment, mobile device, tech illiterate or they might even prefer the UI of said browser. It's not the users fault if your website looks like shit, it's yours and yours alone.[/opinion]
Hopefully that clears up my previous arrogance in my posts.[/QUOTE]
I disagree; I feel the analogy you use is a little flawed in the context of web development.
The state of web development right now is better than it's ever been, with most of the major browsers displaying websites more consistently than ever. It's never been a better time for web designers and developers, and we all owe it to the tighter standards that have been established which modern web browsers adhere to.
Continuing to support legacy browsers (I'm talking IE 5 and 6 here) seems unnecessary and also antithetical to the idea of striving forward towards standards. To take your car analogy, it's like saying 'well we used to use horse-drawn carts, and we're moving onto the automobile; we shouldn't phase out horse-drawn carts entirely because some people may want to use horses to pull their automobiles.'
Adhering to web standards, or desiring to not have to jump through hoops or redundantly declaring an element's appearance multiple times in varying degrees of hacky/kludgy methods does not to me constitute being lazy to me. It's an unnecessary distraction from what the developer should focus on. It's easy when you're working on a small project, but it's a massive hassle for larger, more complex projects with deadlines. It's a lot of effort, especially for things like gradients, drop shadows, and other CSS3 appearance tricks, they fall within the category of 'nice to have' but not mandatory, so graceful degradation applies. I don't care if the modal box I design doesn't have rounded corners in IE6 - it's an aesthetic issue, and not high on my priorities in the grand scheme of things.
If someone does put the extra effort in to make their website appear the same in older browsers, more power to them. Maybe their target demographic genuinely means the website needs to support legacy browsers, maybe they're a masochist, or maybe they enjoying having the bragging rights to say [i]they[/i] go the extra (though largely unnecessary for a majority of users) mile. But it doesn't make everyone else lazy in my opinion.
i think that people should just try to enjoy making websites
[QUOTE=Kwaq;33459667]i think that people should just try to enjoy making websites[/QUOTE]
I seem to be kind of the opposite. I want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy my website.
[QUOTE=Jelly;33459713]I seem to be kind of the opposite. I want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy my website.[/QUOTE]
and how many people use your websites?
[QUOTE=swift and shift;33459770]and how many people use your websites?[/QUOTE]
Not that many, at least for the moment. That's why I want as many people to be able to enjoy them as possible.
1. Unless you're working with in-house platforms built around Internet Explorer 6, don't bother supporting it anymore - those that still use it do it for a reason and/or are in a completely different target user set.
2. Websites don't have to look or even work the same across all browsers. (and in some cases, they obviously shouldn't)
3. Supporting the last two or three iterations of every major browser is almost exclusively a matter of following good practices - before hacking around with CSS or using conditional HTML tags and Javascript padding, do some quick googling; there's likely a way to achieve what you're trying to do in a much more straight-forward and future-proof manner.
I just thought I'd mention.
The site that gets 2k Unique Visitors running IE6 each month is an online shop. That's 2K potential customers that would be thrown away should support be dropped. There will come a time when it's just not worth supporting it, however.
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;33460070]I just thought I'd mention.
The site that gets 2k Unique Visitors running IE6 each month is an online shop. That's 2K potential customers that would be thrown away should support be dropped. There will come a time when it's just not worth supporting it, however.[/QUOTE]
This. Support for IE6/others entirely depends on the target market (assuming you want to maximise the market which is more than likely).
Also hacking feeds with SimplePie to find the best image (whether contained in meta:thumbnail, description or content - in that order) to show as a thumbnail.
so I made this
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5003648/Untitled-2.png[/img]
I've not made it for any particular reason, just a design exercise because I suck at it. I don't know how the hell I'm going to rebuild this for the web though...
I got a job at Amazon and now I have hardly any free time at all. It's gonna be hard trying to keep up with my web dev stuff. :(
It is funny seeing the shit people buy, literally.
[editline]27th November 2011[/editline]
It's pretty big place for the area. [url]http://g.co/maps/3yad8[/url]
[QUOTE=jaybuz;33461048]I got a job at Amazon and now I have hardly any free time at all. It's gonna be hard trying to keep up with my web dev stuff. :(
It is funny seeing the shit people buy, literally.
[editline]27th November 2011[/editline]
It's pretty big place for the area. [url]http://g.co/maps/3yad8[/url][/QUOTE]
"pretty big place"
*opens tab*
"fucking huge building stretching off to infinity"
[QUOTE=jaybuz;33461048]I got a job at Amazon and now I have hardly any free time at all. It's gonna be hard trying to keep up with my web dev stuff. :(
It is funny seeing the shit people buy, literally.
[editline]27th November 2011[/editline]
It's pretty big place for the area. [url]http://g.co/maps/3yad8[/url][/QUOTE]
I have a mate who's working there too!
[QUOTE=Ninja101;33462884]I have a mate who's working there too![/QUOTE]
It'd be hilarious if jaybuz and him were to get together and mate in the break room.
[editline]dunno[/editline]
Let's do it, Facepunch. We got a black president to walk on the moon, we can make this happen!
[QUOTE=HeroicPillow;33459407][b]Various things I noticed:[/b]
1. If you're going to include an XHTML and CSS verify-er at the bottom of your page, make sure the links are valid.
2. If you want something to look like a link but not point anywhere, just remove the "href" from the tag instead of making it point to "#". For example, the "our menus" link in the navigation.
3. This is merely my opinion, but using an unordered list to separate your links is somewhat redundant as they are already surrounded by an <a> tag.
4. The "our passion", "our place", and "our people" images have false alt altributes. They say they are pictures of food. (pretty much every single image on every page has this issue as well)
5. You might want to fix the aliasing issues on [url=http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8038/screenshot2011112704172.png]the image on the homepage[/url].
Other than that, I guess it looks alright for using somebody else's CSS template. Keep learning and maybe next time you can make a design from scratch.[/QUOTE]
1. The CSS is valid as are most of the links. Some of the links aren't valid because I was using xhtml strict instead of transitional and I was using the same div id for two different links.
2. Thanks for the tip. Technically, it should point to somewhere; there shouldn't be empty links, but I didn't have time to make something (it was for a school assignment).
3. Something I'll consider for next time, even though that was code I copied straight from the teacher.
4. Whoops! I forgot to change the alt's when I changed the pictures!
5. I know there is aliasing. My partner did all his work in Powerpoint/Word (he was the "graphic designer").
I only used the template for the first page and it is heavily modified at that. All the other pages are my work. I will be making another website soon from scratch though.
[QUOTE=StinkyJoe;33463008]Let's do it, Facepunch. We got a black president to walk on the moon, we can make this happen![/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://gabrielecirulli.com/p/20111127-215252.png[/IMG]
[I]Aaah[/I], such good times.
[QUOTE=Ninja101;33462884]I have a mate who's working there too![/QUOTE]
I'm a picker!
meeting swift and shift for lunch in an hour!
[QUOTE=Armyis1337;33464739]1. The CSS is valid as are most of the links. Some of the links aren't valid because I was using xhtml strict instead of transitional and I was using the same div id for two different links.[/QUOTE]
I meant that the links at the bottom of the page below the address don't go anywhere:
Your XHTML -> [url]http://validator.w3.org/check/referer[/url]
Should be -> [url]http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=riviaro.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29[/url]
Your CSS -> [url]http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check?uri=referer&profile=none[/url]
Should be -> [url]http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Friviaro.com%2F&profile=css3&usermedium=all&warning=1[/url]
[QUOTE=jaybuz;33469013]I'm a picker![/QUOTE]
bend down turn around,
pick a bale of cotton
bend down turn around,
pick a bale a day
[editline]28th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;33469079]meeting swift and shift for lunch in an hour![/QUOTE]
this guy right here turned out pretty cool
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;33469079]meeting swift and shift for lunch in an hour![/QUOTE]
While you're over yonder in the Eastern states you should also have lunch with Charlie [sp]:V[/sp]
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[QUOTE=TerabyteS_;33474814]Isn't swift and shift Charlie? This is confusing.[/QUOTE]
Yep, that was the joke :v:
[QUOTE=BrettJay;33473732]While you're over yonder in the Eastern states you should also have lunch with Charlie [sp]:V[/sp][/QUOTE]
Isn't swift and shift Charlie? This is confusing.
