What are you working on? v6 - Developers

Im not much of a web designer, but i am a developer so this is my current project [url]http://herp.in/draw/[/url] Its a drawing site which lets you use templates from other users, and soon to have profiles with drawing walls. Its going to subject around twitter and facebook feeds for publicity. It will also have other features like a chat and such, and once all up it should have a iOS App. [img]http://thisfile.me/Ugleh/ss/oyqqw9.png[/img] [img]http://thisfile.me/Ugleh/ss/lzur7y.png[/img]

[QUOTE=StinkyJoe;31097779]I'm trying really hard, but I honestly can't make out what you're even trying to say...mind explaining it again?[/QUOTE] Sorry. It was 10 PM when I wrote the post. Also English isn't my native language and my English legislation vocabulary is very limited. I'll try to explain it again: In some states of Germany their people (data protectors/politicians) who say that a IP-Address is personal data (such as your Address, Full Name and so on) - however, their is no explicit law which could forbid you logging it. However, some data protection laws say what you cant or can do. The most Important thing is probably a privacy protection site where you explain what data is stored, why and how long. Also, you must give out an address where people can ask questions about what things are stored and where they can ask you to delete it. Also, I don't even think that an IP-Address is personal data, as in Germany we have dynamic IP-Adresses for private Internet connections, which means you get a new, random IP-Address each 24 Hours. The Location services (for example the Maxmind Database) mostly show the place of the "last mile" or the Internet Providers Headquarter. However, no final decision by a court exists about this topic yet as far as I know. But generally I think: You can Log and Save it without running into any trouble.

[QUOTE=TeratybeS;31096107]Why the double hash?[/QUOTE] Because there are loads of MD5 databases which don't usually cover double MD5s and aren't large enough to cover the legth of an MD5 as the data.

[QUOTE=spidersdesign;31106999]Because there are loads of MD5 databases which don't usually cover double MD5s and aren't large enough to cover the legth of an MD5 as the data.[/QUOTE] GPU Brute Forcing.

[QUOTE=Ideal-Hosting;31097358]And what law should that be. It's not illegal. The Privacy protectors don't like to see it - however - from state to state different courts say different things. And most of them don't see an IP as "private data" as in Germany every provider uses dynamic ip's. Also, even if some states don't allow it, I wouldn't know one final decision where someone had to pay or go to jail.[/QUOTE] A quick google search would have confirmed it. To date it is only German ISPs that have been prosecuted (although i'm not sure if they were actually fined or just ordered to destroy all records). Please don't reply if you don't even take the time to google it first. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Jelly;31107024]GPU Brute Forcing.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying a double MD5 is 100% secure but that is what is required to please the German courts - I mean as long as you can demonstrate that you went to reasonable lengths to try and scramble it you're going to be fine. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TeratybeS;31099940]And a browser with spell-check too.[/QUOTE] Why are there so many i's in indivisibility?

[QUOTE=Uglehs;31102011]Im not much of a web designer, but i am a developer so this is my current project [url]http://herp.in/draw/[/url] Its a drawing site which lets you use templates from other users, and soon to have profiles with drawing walls. Its going to subject around twitter and facebook feeds for publicity. It will also have other features like a chat and such, and once all up it should have a iOS App. [img]http://thisfile.me/Ugleh/ss/oyqqw9.png[/img] [img]http://thisfile.me/Ugleh/ss/lzur7y.png[/img][/QUOTE]You're using flash. Shame on you.

[QUOTE=TeratybeS;31107647]You're using flash. Shame on you.[/QUOTE] Because Flash doesn't have a place on the Internet? Your high horse, get off it. [editline]edit[/editline] To an extent, it doesn't matter what you use. Mac/PC, HTML 5, CSS3, Javascript/Flash, etc. Content is king. I remember StinkyJoe's first project he posted here (dafk.net/up) used Flash, but it took advantage of Flash and was used appropriately (because HTML input forms are hard to style consistently across browsers, plus there was a pretty slick progress animation as the file uploaded too), I hope you wouldn't have disregarded his site purely because he used Flash. Just because a lot of bad stuff is made in Flash, doesn't mean that it can't be used right. Just because other alternative technologies are emerging that can do similar things to Flash, doesn't mean you can't use it.

[QUOTE=BrettJay;31108724]Because Flash doesn't have a place on the Internet? Your high horse, get off it. [editline]edit[/editline] To an extent, it doesn't matter what you use. Mac/PC, HTML 5, CSS3, Javascript/Flash, etc. Content is king. I remember StinkyJoe's first project he posted here (dafk.net/up) used Flash, but it took advantage of Flash and was used appropriately (because HTML input forms are hard to style consistently across browsers, plus there was a pretty slick progress animation as the file uploaded too), I hope you wouldn't have disregarded his site purely because he used Flash. Just because a lot of bad stuff is made in Flash, doesn't mean that it can't be used right. Just because other alternative technologies are emerging that can do similar things to Flash, doesn't mean you can't use it.[/QUOTE]Fact is, that website is made in flash and [I]doesn't[/I] work on my browser/pc.

[QUOTE=BrettJay;31108724]Because Flash doesn't have a place on the Internet? Your high horse, get off it. [editline]edit[/editline] To an extent, it doesn't matter what you use. Mac/PC, HTML 5, CSS3, Javascript/Flash, etc. Content is king. I remember StinkyJoe's first project he posted here (dafk.net/up) used Flash, but it took advantage of Flash and was used appropriately (because HTML input forms are hard to style consistently across browsers, plus there was a pretty slick progress animation as the file uploaded too), I hope you wouldn't have disregarded his site purely because he used Flash. Just because a lot of bad stuff is made in Flash, doesn't mean that it can't be used right. Just because other alternative technologies are emerging that can do similar things to Flash, doesn't mean you can't use it.[/QUOTE] The only acceptable use I'd say for using Flash is for stuff that's impossible or very difficult to do with HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript. Whereas what he's attempting to do is very much possible using those technologies making it quite trivial to make. You should always take into account best practices and Flash isn't one of them. More people are starting to browse the web with mobile devices many of those don't support Flash (iOS, Java Embedded Devices) or they run it very poorly (Android), just because it's hard to style or make something doesn't mean you should go with the easiest method that runs it poorer than if you put some effort into it.

[QUOTE=Jelly;31108944]The only acceptable use I'd say for using Flash is for stuff that's impossible or very difficult to do with HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript. Whereas what he's attempting to do is very much possible using those technologies making it quite trivial to make. You should always take into account best practices and Flash isn't one of them. More people are starting to browse the web with mobile devices many of those don't support Flash (iOS, Java Embedded Devices) or they run it very poorly (Android), just because it's hard to style or make something doesn't mean you should go with the easiest method that runs it poorer than if you put some effort into it.[/QUOTE] I'd take HTML5, CSS and JavaScript over Flash [b]any day[/b]. However, there's still many people running old browsers that [b]don't[/b] support the new techniques while Flash runs on like 95% of the worlds browsers.

A lot of these technologies aren't even standardized yet. It's a slow transition process, and while we should all aim to move forward and eventually ditch the likes of flash, it's not something that can be done over night. I missed you so much BrettJay, don't ever leave again.

[QUOTE=theJohn;31109013]I'd take HTML5, CSS and JavaScript over Flash [b]any day[/b]. However, there's still many people running old browsers that [b]don't[/b] support the new techniques while Flash runs on like 95% of the worlds browsers.[/QUOTE] jQuery, Modernizr as well as a plethora of other libraries with the goal to provide cross compatibility with outdated browsers. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=StinkyJoe;31109031]A lot of these technologies aren't even standardized yet. It's a slow transition process, and while we should all aim to move forward and eventually ditch the likes of flash, it's not something that can be done over night. I missed you so much BrettJay, don't ever leave again.[/QUOTE] So you'd rather use some proprietary plugin with horrible implementation on any platform other than Windows?

[QUOTE=Jelly;31109042] So you'd rather use some proprietary plugin with horrible implementation on any platform other than Windows?[/QUOTE] Can you...not read? I...what, where do I even say anything remotely close to that? Stop looking for a fight, Jelly, nobody's out to get you.

[QUOTE=theJohn;31109013]I'd take HTML5, CSS and JavaScript over Flash [b]any day[/b]. However, there's still many people running old browsers that [b]don't[/b] support the new techniques while Flash runs on like 95% of the worlds browsers.[/QUOTE]One should, instead of relying on fallbacks, show a notice telling the user that the web is going ahead and they should upgrade their browser to get a better experience. Keeping on using fallbacks is an excuse for them to stay on their old browsers. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] And also we're the ones who are gonna have to do the double amount of work in the future if we don't take users on the straight way.

[QUOTE=TeratybeS;31109586]One should, instead of relying on fallbacks, show a notice telling the user that the web is going ahead and they should upgrade their browser to get a better experience. Keeping on using fallbacks is an excuse for them to stay on their old browsers. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] And also we're the ones who are gonna have to do the double amount of work in the future if we don't take users on the straight way.[/QUOTE] There are reasons we use fall-backs. It's no big deal for you to deny service to a user subset on your own personal site or projects, but there are a lot of scenarios where you simply cannot afford to do that. I also do not believe offering widespread support is that much extra work if you have a proper base architecture, bar some very specific stuff. Take the whole javascript/no-javascript deal - unless you're working with pretty complex mechanics that absolutely require js, making a website support both scenarios is trivial, and even natural given a layered approach. Also, don't be fooled into thinking all users are jerks who just use IE to spite you. Many don't have a choice for a variety of reasons - work policy/setups and users with disabilities are two examples that come to mind. You're working in an industry that interacts directly with and for the users, failure to acknowledge that shows poor judgment and is bad business.

As StinkyJoe says, audience is a big thing to consider. For an online drawing toy I see the audience as being younger kids whose computers would likely be set up by their parents, and forgive my skepticism but I don't see most parents being IT professionals who will always have the most up to date tech on their computers. Same for most kids round that age. Most of them would at best be using IE9, except I don't think Windows tries to force that update on you.

I wasn't even trying to start an argument one way or another that Flash is better than/should be used instead of HTML 5 or vice versa. I just don't think Terabytes was right in criticizing the author for the tool he used to build the web application, instead of critiquing the web application itself. [QUOTE=TeratybeS;31108913]Fact is, that website is made in flash and doesn't work on my browser/pc.[/QUOTE] That's quite an important detail to omit in your original post when giving someone feedback; sounds like something on your end.

[QUOTE=BrettJay;31109833]I wasn't even trying to start an argument one way or another that Flash is better than/should be used instead of HTML 5 or vice versa. I just don't think Terabytes was right in criticizing the author for the tool he used to build the web application, instead of critiquing the web application itself.[/QUOTE] Eh, we've had this discussion a couple of times, but as long as we keep it civil it's probably beneficial for everyone involved, specially with all these new guys we've been getting lately. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] Seriously I missed you so much, BrettJay, I cried a little.

[QUOTE=TeratybeS;31109586]One should, instead of relying on fallbacks, show a notice telling the user that the web is going ahead and they should upgrade their browser to get a better experience. Keeping on using fallbacks is an excuse for them to stay on their old browsers. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] And also we're the ones who are gonna have to do the double amount of work in the future if we don't take users on the straight way.[/QUOTE] That might work for you, but not the local company that loses a lot of sales because their website doesn't work properly.

[QUOTE=Jelly;31108944]The only acceptable use I'd say for using Flash is for stuff that's impossible or very difficult to do with HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript. Whereas what he's attempting to do is very much possible using those technologies making it quite trivial to make.[/QUOTE] Or, you know, if you need to support anything but the most recent browsers. So, pretty much any commercial project. HTML5 and CSS3 are really only good for progressive enhancement at this point, and it's going to be that way for a long time. If you absolutely need the kind of interactivity offered by flash, you don't really have any other viable options at this point. Also, flash is still faster.

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;31110556]Or, you know, if you need to support anything but the most recent browsers. So, pretty much any commercial project. HTML5 and CSS3 are really only good for progressive enhancement at this point, and it's going to be that way for a long time. If you absolutely need the kind of interactivity offered by flash, you don't really have any other viable options at this point. Also, flash is still faster.[/QUOTE] As I said previously the implementation of Flash on any platform other than Windows is crap.

[QUOTE=Jelly;31110679]As I said previously the implementation of Flash on any platform other than Windows is crap.[/QUOTE] Bit of an exaggeration there. It performs decently on OS X. Sure there's room for improvement, but ultimately as Kmart says, Flash is still much more widely supported, something that is an important consideration.

We got programmer king rating now, this will be good.

[QUOTE=BrettJay;31110759]Bit of an exaggeration there. It performs decently on OS X. Sure there's room for improvement, but ultimately as Kmart says, Flash is still much more widely supported, something that is an important consideration.[/QUOTE] I've currently only got 1 Youtube video tab open and the flash process is using up 20% of my CPU.

[QUOTE=Jelly;31110999]I've currently only got 1 Youtube video tab open and the flash process is using up 20% of my CPU.[/QUOTE] Try the HTML5 video for YouTube

[QUOTE=Jelly;31110999]I've currently only got 1 Youtube video tab open and the flash process is using up 20% of my CPU.[/QUOTE] Definitely, that's why the interactive agency I worked at for 6 months before I started freelancing did all their flash dev on OSX right? Most of the processing power from youtube is going to come from the video itself so that's a terrible metric for judging the performance of flash.

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;31111472]Definitely, that's why the interactive agency I worked at for 6 months before I started freelancing did all their flash dev on OSX right? Most of the processing power from youtube is going to come from the video itself so that's a terrible metric for judging the performance of flash.[/QUOTE] I couldn't think of any websites that were made entirely in flash so I just went to some random movie website. (Source Code to be more specific.) [img]http://i.imgur.com/M898P.png[/img] [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] It's also not because I'm using the Alpha version of Firefox. [img]http://i.imgur.com/VLXzg.png[/img]

[QUOTE=StinkyJoe;31109752]There are reasons we use fall-backs. It's no big deal for you to deny service to a user subset on your own personal site or projects, but there are a lot of scenarios where you simply cannot afford to do that. I also do not believe offering widespread support is that much extra work if you have a proper base architecture, bar some very specific stuff. Take the whole javascript/no-javascript deal - unless you're working with pretty complex mechanics that absolutely require js, making a website support both scenarios is trivial, and even natural given a layered approach. Also, don't be fooled into thinking all users are jerks who just use IE to spite you. Many don't have a choice for a variety of reasons - work policy/setups and users with disabilities are two examples that come to mind. You're working in an industry that interacts directly with and for the users, failure to acknowledge that shows poor judgment and is bad business.[/QUOTE]I never said leave anyone to sink in their shit. Even though one may have fallbacks for most of the cases, fallbacks for the worst cases should all show a notice to encourage the user to upgrade.

[QUOTE=Jelly;31111599]I couldn't think of any websites that were made entirely in flash so I just went to some random movie website. (Source Code to be more specific.) [img]http://i.imgur.com/M898P.png[/img] [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] It's also not because I'm using the Alpha version of Firefox. [img]http://i.imgur.com/VLXzg.png[/img][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.craftymind.com/guimark2/[/url] Flash perfromance is even better on OSX under certain browsers. You're talking out your ass.

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;31111760][url]http://www.craftymind.com/guimark2/[/url] Flash perfromance is even better on OSX under certain browsers. You're talking out your ass.[/QUOTE] What browser might that be? [img]http://i.imgur.com/mLCVk.png[/img]