What are you working on? v15 - Developers

[QUOTE=sLysdal;27234242]47.2% of the internet... - [URL]http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp[/URL][/QUOTE] 47.2% of the internet need to get with the times. It's about time we moved on from that 10 year old pile of crap.

[QUOTE=Combino;27234262]47.2% of the internet need to get with the times. It's about time we moved on from that 10 year old pile of crap.[/QUOTE] That 10 year old pile of crap is still usable, it works, and most of the holes have been patched up so its a perfect valid system.. Also if you look from a developers point of view, you would want to get out to the biggest possible audience, who would ditch 50% of the market?

It wasn't bad, but it's old.

[QUOTE=sLysdal;27234242]47.2% of the internet... - [URL]http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp[/URL][/QUOTE] You shouldn't rely on internet browser os, my game is gonna be played by gamers after all and not by some facebook users. These are the most accurate stats I could find : [url]http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey[/url] and according to them Dx11 and Win7 users are increasing at a nice rate =)

[QUOTE=Xerios3;27234411]You shouldn't rely on internet browser os, my game is gonna be played by gamers after all and not by some facebook users. These are the most accurate stats I could find : [url]http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey[/url] and according to them Dx11 and Win7 users are increasing at a nice rate =)[/QUOTE] Point taken, but still would you ditch 25% of your potential market?

[QUOTE=sLysdal;27234363]That 10 year old pile of crap is still usable, it works, and most of the holes have been patched up so its a perfect valid system..[/quote] Just like the hole of always running as Administrator unless you go out of your way to log in as an unprivileged user? [quote]Also if you look from a developers point of view, you would want to get out to the biggest possible audience, who would ditch 50% of the market?[/QUOTE] The faster everyone drops support for XP, the quicker people will move on. Was it acceptable to still be using Windows 95 in 2005? Of course not. The only reason it's seen to be acceptable to use XP is because people has this misguided idea of Vista and 7 sucking.

[QUOTE=Xerios3;27234411]You shouldn't rely on internet browser os, my game is gonna be played by gamers after all and not by some facebook users. These are the most accurate stats I could find : [url]http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey[/url] and according to them Dx11 and Win7 users are increasing at a nice rate =)[/QUOTE] You would have thought they would filter the 100% Steam out of the application results :-S [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] Seeing as you HAVE to be running steam to use the survey and all [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] sorry for breaking the automerge

As I said, Windows 95 users in 2005 could hardly expect everything to be compatible with their OS, so why should we make a special case for XP users. [editline].[/editline] automerge breaker :(

[QUOTE=Combino;27234471]As I said, Windows 95 users in 2005 could hardly expect everything to be compatible with their OS, so why should we make a special case for XP users. [editline].[/editline] automerge breaker :([/QUOTE] Because in 2005 hardly anyone was using win95 but lots of people still use XP

[QUOTE=Combino;27234471]As I said, Windows 95 users in 2005 could hardly expect everything to be compatible with their OS, so why should we make a special case for XP users. [editline].[/editline] automerge breaker :([/QUOTE] There was 98, ME, and 2000 between 95 and XP, with major architectural/other (i.e. the move from FAT16, full protected-mode 32 bit, NT kernel, the growth of OGL and D3D and the ATi/nvidia duopoly) changes in between. There is only Vista between XP and 7 and Vista wasn't the architectural shift Longhorn was supposed to be.

[QUOTE=Richy19;27234487]Because in 2005 hardly anyone was using win95 but lots of people still use XP[/QUOTE] If you continue adding back compatibility and back compatibility, for OS's that have not moved on, it just bloats the code, and keeps things from working at there best, the same people who would complain about having to use a new OS for a game, would then next complain about it not looking the same as all the other brilliant games that use theese new features.

[QUOTE=HubmaN;27234503]There was 98, ME, and 2000 between 95 and XP, with major architectural/other (i.e. the move from FAT16, full protected-mode 32 bit, NT kernel, the growth of OGL and D3D and the ATi/nvidia duopoly) changes in between. There is only Vista between XP and 7 and Vista wasn't the architectural shift Longhorn was supposed to be.[/QUOTE] Vista was the first consumer Windows with proper support for 64 bit. I'm aware of Windows XP x64, but it was a trainwreck that became unsupported before SP3 was released. I'd call proper support for 64 bit Long Mode a major shift.

It matters very little in the APIs one targets and hasn't meant much for Windows architecturally. If Microsoft were to up and move to ARM the same would apply. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] That said, the point is moot - if someone were to have an x64 system Windows XP would be out of the question anyway, according to your reasoning.

[QUOTE=Darwin226;27233943]What theme is that? It looks great.[/QUOTE] Almost missed your post, it's [u][url=http://k-johnson.deviantart.com/art/Clearscreen-Sharp-for-Windows7-141360821]Clearscreen Sharp[/url][/u] =)

I'm working on a basic webserver coded in C++, called Broad Peak. It's a trainwreck right now that doesn't really work, and can be crashed incredibly easily (ask tur- I mean Combino), but hey, it's a start. I'll end up rewriting it in a couple hours.

[QUOTE=Combino;27234471]As I said, Windows 95 users in 2005 could hardly expect everything to be compatible with their OS, so why should we make a special case for XP users.[/QUOTE] If Vista hadn't failed epically XP might not have such a large chunk of users. ...except in schools.

[QUOTE=lavacano;27235716]If Vista hadn't failed epically XP might not have such a large chunk of users. ...except in schools.[/QUOTE] Vista never 'failed epically'. I ran the one install from December 07 to March 10 when I upgraded to 7. The common misconception that Vista was terrible is a result of the shonky journalism of moronic 'tech writers' that don't deserve their own job title.

Solution: Use OpenGL

[QUOTE=Combino;27235777]Vista never 'failed epically'. I ran the one install from December 07 to March 10 when I upgraded to 7. The common misconception that Vista was terrible is a result of the shonky journalism of moronic 'tech writers' that don't deserve their own job title.[/QUOTE] Im using vista right now, and im pretty sure its awful.

[QUOTE=Xerios3;27234411]You shouldn't rely on internet browser os, my game is gonna be played by gamers after all and not by some facebook users.[/QUOTE] FWIW, I use Windows [i]only[/i] for games, and I still use XP. Not out of any belief that 7 sucks, but because XP still works well enough for that purpose (most games still use DX9) so I haven't been motivated to go to the expense and trouble of upgrading.

[QUOTE=Combino;27235777]Vista never 'failed epically'. I ran the one install from December 07 to March 10 when I upgraded to 7. The common misconception that Vista was terrible is a result of the shonky journalism of moronic 'tech writers' that don't deserve their own job title.[/QUOTE] I used Vista for a month and I hated it.

[QUOTE=Icedshot;27235788]Im using vista right now, and im pretty sure its awful.[/QUOTE] In what way? [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Overv;27235815]I used Vista for a month and I hated it.[/QUOTE] What did you hate about it?

[QUOTE=Combino;27235819] What did you hate about it?[/QUOTE] Stop it already! It sucks, deal with it.

I am using vista on my laptop, I don't see the problem. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DrLuke;27235841]Stop it already! It sucks, deal with it.[/QUOTE] Why does it suck?

[QUOTE=Combino;27235819]In what way? [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] What did you hate about it?[/QUOTE] Well, its slow for a starter. Then it eats all your memory, takes up not an insignificant amount of harddrive space, decides its a good idea to start loading all of your programs into memory when you boot, indexes everything while you're "idle" (using the computer that is), goes "ARE YOU SURE" everytime you do anything, and constantly harasses you if you dont have the security options quite the way they like.

[QUOTE=Icedshot;27235865]Well, its slow for a starter. Then it eats all your memory, takes up not an insignificant amount of harddrive space, decides its a good idea to start loading all of your programs into memory when you boot, indexes everything while you're "idle" (using the computer that is), goes "ARE YOU SURE" everytime you do anything, and constantly harasses you if you dont have the security options quite the way they like.[/QUOTE] So when Linux requires that you sudo all he time, everyone praises it, but when Windows does the same: "OH MY GOD THAT'S SHIT VISTA SUCKS!!!1" [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] Also, you do realize that unused RAM is wasted, so the OS is caching stuff to improve performance?

[QUOTE=Combino;27235999]So when Linux requires that you sudo all he time, everyone praises it, but when Windows does the same: "OH MY GOD THAT'S SHIT VISTA SUCKS!!!1"[/QUOTE] The bar to sudoing is considerably higher and you shouldn't treat them as parallels because they accomplish different things - if you can't stand it, though, you're perfectly allowed to edit the sudoers. At least sudoing isn't modal. (d-railed)

And you are aware that you can turn off the indexing and adjust startup programs? [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HubmaN;27236017]The bar to sudoing is considerably higher - if you can't stand it, though, you're perfectly allowed to edit the sudoers. At least sudoing isn't modal, though.[/QUOTE] You need to sudo to make system level changes. You need to elevate through UAC to make system level changes. I [b]really don't see the problem here[/b]

There's also the fact that UAC can be turned off. I'm not sure why there was a wankfest over Windows 7; it hasn't changed [i]that[/i] much.

[QUOTE=Combino;27235999]So when Linux requires that you sudo all he time, everyone praises it, but when Windows does the same: "OH MY GOD THAT'S SHIT VISTA SUCKS!!!1" [editline]7th January 2011[/editline] Also, you do realize that unused RAM is wasted, so the OS is caching stuff to improve performance?[/QUOTE] Well, with something like linux, if you dont like the way the distro does something, you can be pretty sure someone else doesnt as well, and has already released a mod for it to change it And while im aware that unused ram is wasted, it om nom noms my harddrives capacity to load so everything goes as slowly as shite if i have it turned on, for a while after my computer turns on Content: some awesome snowy ground noise texture [IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2gt3wxl.png[/IMG]