Need a Designer / Front-end Developer ($300-$1500 Project) - Developers

Ugh go ahead.. i guarantee you don't have it...

[QUOTE=FatPanda;29460746]Ugh go ahead.. i guarantee you don't have it...[/QUOTE] Check your pm. [editline]a[/editline] lol

Wow. No comment. [editline]27th April 2011[/editline] Really, I can't believe this kind of people exist. Seriously, learn your shit before you say you're good at it. Oh and take this pointless discussion out of here.

FatPanda: 13 year old who doesn't know how to design a proper website Jelly: FatPanda's friend from school who doesn't know how to take it to Steam chat

[QUOTE=kaze4159;29461149]FatPanda: 13 year old who doesn't know how to design a proper website Jelly: FatPanda's friend from school who doesn't know how to take it to Steam chat[/QUOTE] I don't even know him. [editline]a[/editline] Whole different continent for that matter.

[QUOTE=kaze4159;29461149]FatPanda: 13 year old who doesn't know how to design a proper website Jelly: FatPanda's friend from school who doesn't know how to take it to Steam chat[/QUOTE] Leave it alone. He's gone, no need to keep shitting the thread

Ah well, I'll prolly make a new thread anyways for the contest seeing as this one went down the pooper. Also, ROFL at imagemap. And what part of "i'm doing the back end dev and need front end dev" did you not understand FatPanda?

[QUOTE=adamjon858;29461255]Ah well, I'll prolly make a new thread anyways for the contest seeing as this one went down the pooper. Also, ROFL at imagemap. And what part of "i'm doing the back end dev and need front end dev" did you not understand FatPanda?[/QUOTE] You could keep this one, hopefully everyone will behave now.

Might be worth getting people to tender for it adamjon858. Thats how we do it at the company I work for - and then we get to pick the best (without spending any money).

[QUOTE=JDream;29461641]Might be worth getting people to tender for it adamjon858. Thats how we do it at the company I work for - and then we get to pick the best (without spending any money).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=adamjon858;29447117]My original idea was having a contest to design a single internal page with a 1st, 2nd, 3rd prize (like $100, $75, $50). The winner would get the job to do the other pages as well then. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE] [img]http://speckyboy.specky.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/spec_02.jpg[/img] [QUOTE][b]Spec work (short for speculative) is any job for which the client expects to see examples or a finished product before agreeing to pay a fee[/b]. [b]Why to Avoid Spec[/b] [i]This type of work is widely considered undesirable and immoral by the graphic design community[/i], as it requires the designer to commit time and resources to a project with the chance of getting nothing in return. While a client may feel they don’t want to invest money until seeing some work, designers should not have to prove their worth to get a job. Instead, clients should choose a designer based on their portfolio and experience and commit to building a working relationship with him or her. Only then will both the client and designer see the best results. [b]Why Spec is Bad for the Client, Too[/b] Spec work doesn’t just hurt the designer. If potential clients are asking one or several designers to show work, they are immediately establishing a negative relationship. Instead of building a long lasting relationship with a single designer, they are often asking several to submit work with little contact, taking a chance that the right design will be presented. [b]Design Contests[/b] Design contests are one of the most common forms of spec. A company will put out a request for a design, inviting anyone and everyone to submit work. Often hundreds of designers will submit a design, but only the chosen work, the winner, will be paid. Designers may see this as a great chance to design a logo for a company and make some money… if they win. However, this is really an opportunity for the client to get a limitless number of designs and only pay for one. Instead, clients should hire a designer, clearly communicate their goals, and have the designer present several options after a contract is signed.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.no-spec.com/[/url] [url]http://graphicdesign.about.com/od/career/f/what_is_spec.htm[/url] [url]http://speckyboy.com/2011/02/16/thoughts-on-why-spec-work-is-bad-and-why-you-shouldn’t-do-it/[/url] [url]http://andrewhy.de/spec-work-is-evil-why-i-hate-crowdspring/[/url]

[img]http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/01/0130_career_stagnation/image/ss_1.jpg[/img] Just took a necessary turn there. OP, it's all very simple and I'd say a +$1000 fee would be too much. About BrettJay's post on spec, I'd personally at least want an example of previous work.

[QUOTE=Tools;29464302][img_thumb]http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/01/0130_career_stagnation/image/ss_1.jpg[/img_thumb] Just took a necessary turn there. OP, it's all very simple and I'd say a +$1000 fee would be too much. About BrettJay's post on spec, I'd personally at least want an example of previous work.[/QUOTE] I can understand spec work at this level (with unproven designers), I'm just bringing it up more or less to educate aspiring designers in this thread; spec work really shouldn't be considered the 'norm' once you're working professionally in the industry. And yeah, the client should absolutely have every confidence in the designer and should see their previous work: [QUOTE]designers should not have to prove their worth to get a job. Instead, clients should choose a designer based on their portfolio and experience and commit to building a working relationship with him or her.[/QUOTE] At this stage, spec work is understandable. But, it's something you should aim to avoid when you work full time in the field and have a respectable portfolio. Hell, I participated in spec work for the Garry's Mod design.

So hmm, do you think he should choose the best designer himself?

[QUOTE=TerabyteS;29465160]So hmm, do you think he should choose the best designer himself?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying anything. If everyone's willing to put their time towards designs even if they're not going to be reimbursed for their time or effort, by all means they can. Everyone knows what they're getting themselves into, and if a contest is held, you're going to know that there's a high chance you won't get the gig (odds are against the individual's favour). I'm just pointing out that it's usually frowned upon in the industry, so that aspiring designers don't consider it second nature to participate in spec work if they ever decide to pursue design as a career.

Muhaha! You will each design a separate page so as to showcase your "design skills"!!! Nah, but seriously, there's a lot of talented people in this thread and frankly I can't think of a fair way to choose the best. I remember a few years ago I didn't have much of a portfolio and the portfolio I did have wasn't reflective of my actual skill, I just hadn't had the opportunity to do any cool sites.

[QUOTE=adamjon858;29465895]Muhaha! You will each design a separate page so as to showcase your "design skills"!!![/QUOTE] That wouldn't solve the problem and you'd find yourself with a shitload of different and hard to compare stuff.

It's Facepunch, if you offer a nice price just run a contest. As BrettJay said, it is frowned upon in the design community, but here it should be no problem (lots of willing people with small/no portfolio, it's a good way to add content to it, even if the design isn't picked it can still be used).

If you want this done by May, I think you'll need at least two people. I've already showed you some of my work so hopefully that will be alright.

[QUOTE=jaybuz;29475626]If you want this done by May, I think you'll need at least two people. I've already showed you some of my work so hopefully that will be alright.[/QUOTE] End of May mah bad

So, uh, I'm still kind of interested. Any more details on how this is gonna go down? :v:

[QUOTE=BrettJay;29464195][img_thumb]http://speckyboy.specky.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/spec_02.jpg[/img_thumb] [url]http://www.no-spec.com/[/url] [url]http://graphicdesign.about.com/od/career/f/what_is_spec.htm[/url] [url]http://speckyboy.com/2011/02/16/thoughts-on-why-spec-work-is-bad-and-why-you-shouldn’t-do-it/[/url] [url]http://andrewhy.de/spec-work-is-evil-why-i-hate-crowdspring/[/url][/QUOTE] Are you sick, BrettJay? :saddowns:

[QUOTE=adamjon858;29479686]End of May mah bad[/QUOTE] I still think you'll need two, even with a month.

[QUOTE=jaybuz;29486004]I still think you'll need two, even with a month.[/QUOTE] You must work really really slow.

Well, I guess we'll see soon enough.