Pros/Cons of a Career in Programming? - Developers

I've also been thinking of going to Qantm. You guys happen to be Dutch?

Game-oriented education is a big joke tbh.

did they decline your tf2 hat portfolio?

[QUOTE=Jawalt;21892306]Really hoping for mor money than that is selfish an unrealistic.[/QUOTE] Not really selfish. I don't care if I end up doing some business shit that I detest. The more money the better. If I can do this through programming then excellent, and that's likely my best bet because that's my skillset, but my number one aim for work is money. [editline]12:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Daimao;21896019]Game-oriented education is a big joke tbh.[/QUOTE] I have a friend doing computer games programming at the university of Derby, and believe me, it's no joke. They get difficult work and progress fast. I went for computer science because I like the idea of a more generic programming education as I feel it will be better in getting a career, but trust me when I say game oriented education isn't all micky mouse shit.

Con: if this forum is any indication we are very opinionated people.

[QUOTE=Pepin;21868405] -Hours spent staring at a screen trying to figure out why something isn't working -Eyes hurt from staring at screen[/QUOTE] Lol if your eyes hurt from staring you should change your IDE's colors to something darker, also lol @ staring at screen trying to figure out why it isn't working, I love those moments, then you realize it eventually and you laugh at yourself

[QUOTE=Jallen;21896690]Not really selfish. I don't care if I end up doing some business shit that I detest. The more money the better. If I can do this through programming then excellent, and that's likely my best bet because that's my skillset, but my number one aim for work is money. [editline]12:35PM[/editline] I have a friend doing computer games programming at the university of Derby, and believe me, it's no joke. They get difficult work and progress fast. I went for computer science because I like the idea of a more generic programming education as I feel it will be better in getting a career, but trust me when I say game oriented education isn't all micky mouse shit.[/QUOTE] That's actually the definition of selfish. Taking more than you need purely because you want it is rediculous. There's nothing wrong with living comfortably with a few things that are lacking. Oh god you can't get a TV that's your height diagonally cry me a river. It is selfish, because while your driving your BMW someone in Haiti is eating cookies made with mud and butter as the staple to their diet.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;21897729]That's actually the definition of selfish. Taking more than you need purely because you want it is rediculous. There's nothing wrong with living comfortably with a few things that are lacking. Oh god you can't get a TV that's your height diagonally cry me a river. It is selfish, because while your driving your BMW someone in Haiti is eating cookies made with mud and butter as the staple to their diet.[/QUOTE] That argument is silly, you don't NEED the internet, computers or a TV. The reason why we want more money is so we can get those extras, life would be awfully boring without them.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;21897729]That's actually the definition of selfish. Taking more than you need purely because you want it is rediculous. There's nothing wrong with living comfortably with a few things that are lacking. Oh god you can't get a TV that's your height diagonally cry me a river. It is selfish, because while your driving your BMW someone in Haiti is eating cookies made with mud and butter as the staple to their diet.[/QUOTE] I don't particularly care if I make vast sums of money in my lifetime, but that's because I'm ok with myself and my life, and I don't "need" anything to be happy. You on the other hand, have some quaint, idealistic, and glaringly broken reasoning. That kind of argument might fool the viewers of Oprah, but the fact is that any assumption without proper logical backing is ignorance. You assume that there's some mysterious moral code that says if you make "too much" you are a bad person because you have more than others. I find it shocking you used the term "ridiculous". Logical reasoning and self improvement are not things I think could ever be described as "ridiculous". I'd say illogical moral masturbation that makes your life worse off is what's really ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Parakon;21896177]did they decline your tf2 hat portfolio?[/QUOTE] post of the year

[QUOTE=ryandaniels;21899960]I don't particularly care if I make vast sums of money in my lifetime, but that's because I'm ok with myself and my life, and I don't "need" anything to be happy. You on the other hand, have some quaint, idealistic, and glaringly broken reasoning. That kind of argument might fool the viewers of Oprah, but the fact is that any assumption without proper logical backing is ignorance. You assume that there's some mysterious moral code that says if you make "too much" you are a bad person because you have more than others. I find it shocking you used the term "ridiculous". Logical reasoning and self improvement are not things I think could ever be described as "ridiculous". I'd say illogical moral masturbation that makes your life worse off is what's really ridiculous.[/QUOTE] The statement I made wasn't some coverall blanket statement. I was talking about his situation specifically. It's not the having of more than you need it's the striving with intent for more than you need and therefore at detriment of others.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;21897729]That's actually the definition of selfish. Taking more than you need purely because you want it is rediculous. There's nothing wrong with living comfortably with a few things that are lacking. Oh god you can't get a TV that's your height diagonally cry me a river. It is selfish, because while your driving your BMW someone in Haiti is eating cookies made with mud and butter as the staple to their diet.[/QUOTE] I help out friends and family, I am capable of non-selfish acts, I care about the people close to me. The fact that I don't give a shit about people in third world countrys doesn't make me selfish. I have no link to them whatsoever and being successful and getting money doesn't have any detrimental effect on them. What you earn you deserve to keep for yourself. I am not a communist.

[QUOTE=Jallen;21902450]I help out friends and family, I am capable of non-selfish acts, I care about the people close to me. The fact that I don't give a shit about people in third world countrys doesn't make me selfish. I have no link to them whatsoever and being successful and getting money doesn't have any detrimental effect on them. What you earn you deserve to keep for yourself. I am not a communist.[/QUOTE] That's not how it works. You don't get to day "I help the people I care about and that makes me not selfish." I'm not even talking about just third world countries there are plenty of people under the poverty line in a developed country. And when you 'earn' you're just taking from someone else.

[QUOTE=Jawalt;21897729]It is selfish, because while your driving your BMW someone in Haiti is eating cookies made with mud and butter as the staple to their diet.[/QUOTE] Not my problem.

layla is an asshole, and soooo right

[QUOTE=Jawalt;21902644]That's not how it works. You don't get to day "I help the people I care about and that makes me not selfish." I'm not even talking about just third world countries there are plenty of people under the poverty line in a developed country. And when you 'earn' you're just taking from someone else.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, you don't take anything from someone else by earning money. [editline]03:15PM[/editline] There isn't some stockpile of money we're all leaching from.

I want a job in programming because I can not imagine any job that I would enjoy doing more. I would much rather be happy pretty much 24:7, than miserable in my job and only happy at home because I've got loads of cash. I should get a very decent salary doing software engineering. It's interesting that I've already had the mental debate with myself that I would not want to work for an investment bank in any capacity, which is probably where I could earn the most money. I do not want to do anything to support the banking industry, as I don't believe that it is an honest way to make money.

That's almost like saying you don't want to work for energy companies because of all the scandals and oil spills they've caused, yet we rely so much on their products. There's dishonesty in a lot of careers, even programming (big money in reverse engineering and related areas). Banks are an extremely crucial part of the economy, although I do agree that some of their practices have been dishonest, things would be much more inefficient without them around. Maybe this whole crisis shook them up and put some on the right track again. So I guess dishonesty is more of a social problem than an industry specific one.

[QUOTE=Red_Eyes;21862649] Cons: - Time consuming (Not only during your work time, but because it will make you constantly wonder (even outside the job) on what things you could do to improve your code / fix a problem, you'll find yourself sleepless trying to think of something)[/QUOTE] Is that a bad thing though? You think that much about it because you adore it.

[QUOTE=Jallen;21863808]The pay is pretty average actually. Programmers don't usually make over £40,000 annually.[/QUOTE] Actually, on average programmers in the United States have one of the highest entry level salaries. Look it up.

[QUOTE=<ToD> Aaron;21921444]Actually, on average programmers in the United States have one of the highest entry level salaries. Look it up.[/QUOTE] Entry level, so what?

Pros: -You get challenged to think and have freedom to come up with solutions to problems. -No matter how dull you may think an APP is, as long as you do it right, it will be making someone's life better. There WILL be challenges with each new project. -You are a master of everything you do. If you are working for a app for POS for a small restaurant you need to know what they do intimately and be able to put it to code. If you are working for a docking company then you need to know everything there is to know about ships and cargo processing. The medical industry is about the only specialized field I know of. -You do what you LOVE. If you don't look forward to programming, then don't be a programmer. -You will meet many people, and will NEED to socialize. Programmers are not people who sit in a basement somewhere, they meet with clients, they have frequent meetings (if a good company) and they go out to bars/run/ect when the day is over. -Team work is necessary if you ever plan to work ANYWHERE. It is almost impossible to find salary jobs where you will be the only one on a team. If you want to work alone you'll have to make your own business. Cons: -LONG hours at times. There will be project requiring you to deal with messes you had no part in creating, and the client wants it cleaned yesterday. -Not everyone can be good at programming. There are people who work just as hard but can't code on the same level. But everyone has strengths and weaknesses. -Requires someone who thinks (con?). There is no format for code beyond syntax, and you can create the most god-awful mess of junk ever seen - but it works... You have to be smart about how you develop code, and there isn't a instruction manual. -There will be changes made to the design document. You plan this out for a year, they will STILL change something, no matter what. Remain agile.

[QUOTE=Jallen;21921670]Entry level, so what?[/QUOTE] Well if you program for a while and do good work you can make up to 100,000 a year, which is really good pay. Plus they are likely to be a ton of benefits. [url]http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary[/url]

[QUOTE=Pepin;21922929][url]http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Computer_Programmer/Salary[/url][/QUOTE] That was on my works cited.

[QUOTE=madmax678;21866936]Con: Boring. Its only for people [B]that have alot of time[/B]. ( i.e People with no lives)[/QUOTE] You can't have a full-time job without alot of time... Your work, if you want a career (no matter what industry), is what you work your social life around, not the other way.

[QUOTE=Chris220;21894329]I've actually been looking at Qantm, what do you think of it?[/QUOTE] I'm liking it so far, I've learned a lot. I recommend it! I'm at the one in London. [QUOTE=Djessey;21895966]I've also been thinking of going to Qantm. You guys happen to be Dutch?[/QUOTE] Nah I'm not Dutch, but are you thinking of going to the London one? I got a half-scholarship there because of my experience with Lua.

[QUOTE=kuropixel;21952367]I'm liking it so far, I've learned a lot. I recommend it! I'm at the one in London. Nah I'm not Dutch, but are you thinking of going to the London one? I got a half-scholarship there because of my experience with Lua.[/QUOTE] Awesome. I still have second year of college to get through, but yeah; london's Qantm is calling me!

I've been looking forward going here in a few years: [url]http://www.voltijd.hva.nl/game-development/[/url] Dutchies, any of you know if this is the way to go? [editline]11:17PM[/editline] They say if you follow the course, you can become... [quote]Game designer Game programmer Serious games specialist Game producer Virtual reality developer Datavisualisation developer Simulation developer Interface developer[/quote]

[QUOTE=Dlaor;22009568]I've been looking forward going here in a few years: [url]http://www.voltijd.hva.nl/game-development/[/url] Dutchies, any of you know if this is the way to go? [editline]11:17PM[/editline] They say if you follow the course, you can become...[/QUOTE] Don't know it but i'm also really interested in this school. I'm currently 15 and i live in Utrecht. [editline]10:34PM[/editline] Also they say you don't even need math B for this school? Is this correct? I'm doing HAVO Natuur en Techniek

[QUOTE=Dlaor;22009568]I've been looking forward going here in a few years: [url]http://www.voltijd.hva.nl/game-development/[/url] Dutchies, any of you know if this is the way to go? [editline]11:17PM[/editline] They say if you follow the course, you can become...[/QUOTE] Be extremely careful with schools like these.