[QUOTE=J!NX;40569762]11 pages
wonder how long it'll take for Elizabeth to be naked if not already[/QUOTE]
People are too busy arguing about texture sizes to make nude mods, silly.
Well, Irrational went out of their way to include high resolution textures. If you're going to get a pack to use, you'd expect the best quality. I liked one of Mail's first ideas: A reasonable resolution pack, and an ultra resolution pack. That way, if you want the max resolution, you can get it. I'd want the max resolution - It is the most faithful to the base textures used. I'd rather not sacrifice quality just because currently the technology gets no benefit from it. We can future-proof things, too.
future proof it for fucking what? source ain't gonna suddenly wake up to the 8 years of developments that have surpassed it.
Personally, I don't CARE if it's High quallity or NOT! But if it will reduce the size of the pack, while still looking awesome, then DO IT!
EDIT:
And stop fighting!
Aw, man. I woke up seeing 30 new posts and thought something really cool had happened. I come in and it's just guys arguing, and nothing else.
That sucks...
If you reduce the quality of the models, by the way, I'm not using. Don't squander your hard work. Just be smart and don't release everything in a giant bloated pack. Do the main character pack and release that, then do a separate one for enemies and other random guys. Logistically it makes no sense to toss every character into the game into one download. So don't! :)
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570073]future proof it for fucking what? source ain't gonna suddenly wake up to the 8 years of developments that have surpassed it.[/QUOTE]
Oh my god, some people would like the highest resolution textures available, get the fuck over it already
[QUOTE=Grub;40570124]
If you reduce the quality of the models, by the way, I'm not using. Don't squander your hard work. Just be smart and don't release everything in a giant bloated pack. Do the main character pack and release that, then do a separate one for enemies and other random guys. Logistically it makes no sense to toss every character into the game into one download. So don't! :)[/QUOTE]
christ when will you people get it through your heads that even 2048x will look pretty shit in source anyway, since it's totally different shading.
christ i'm glad i don't integrate with the mod community on a daily basis, i forgot how much shitting backbiting and arguments there are.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570183]christ when will you people get it through your heads that even 2048x will look pretty shit in source anyway, since it's totally different shading.
christ i'm glad i don't integrate with the mod community on a daily basis, i forgot how much shitting backbiting and arguments there are.[/QUOTE]
Dude, please calm down. :(
[QUOTE=NotExactly;40570182]Oh my god, some people would like the highest resolution textures available, get the fuck over it already[/QUOTE]
i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.
you think i'm talking out of my arse but i know source. it is flat-out evil toward anyone who wants to have fun. anyone who wants to make something work is source's enemy. source hate human. source want revenge.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Grub;40570197]Dude, please calm down. :([/QUOTE]
i'm way more than calm. if i weren't calm i'd have called someone a rude word and be banned for flaming already.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570200]i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.
you think i'm talking out of my arse but i know source. it is flat-out evil toward anyone who wants to have fun. anyone who wants to make something work is source's enemy. source hate human. source want revenge.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
i'm way more than calm. if i weren't calm i'd have called someone a rude word and be banned for flaming already.[/QUOTE]
okay? then release both versions. but let him release the high res version first. he's doing this all pretty quickly and it's very awesome. please don't make him slow down or make him get pissed that people are arguing about this and drop everything.
I've seen that happen before and it's sad to see because they think people don't appreciate the hard work. we totally do! so please don't make this bad for everyone...
i don't think rinfect or dissolution give a toss about me arguing with derpy, they don't have to do shit based on what either of us say.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570200]i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.[/QUOTE]
you're a moron and you have no clue of what you're talking about
please stop
The sound of progress is arguing...
R-right?
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570200]i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.
you think i'm talking out of my arse but i know source. it is flat-out evil toward anyone who wants to have fun. anyone who wants to make something work is source's enemy. source hate human. source want revenge.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
i'm way more than calm. if i weren't calm i'd have called someone a rude word and be banned for flaming already.[/QUOTE]
oh shut up dude Jesus get over yourself :v:
SFM gave us Vertex Animation sequences right?
[QUOTE=shad0w440;40570408]SFM gave us Vertex Animation sequences right?[/QUOTE]
Well, no, not by single vertices, no.
Unless.. that's some feature I've never seen before? Am I totally misunderstanding this?
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570200]i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.[/QUOTE]
If you were running source on a potato, your concerns about performance would be sound.
Most of us use graphics cards though, and anything made around 201X can handle a few hundred 2k textures on the screen at the same time. Any graphics card since olden times has dedicated hardware to handle such tasks.
[QUOTE=Grub;40570455]Well, no, not by single vertices, no.
Unless.. that's some feature I've never seen before? Am I totally misunderstanding this?[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/2lQzQ[/IMG]
I dont know if this feature existed before SFM or not.
The vertex manipulation shows up as both a slider and an actual sequence in the modelviewer.
I have tried loading this model in other source games, it crashes.
guys stop the fight already.
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570200]i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.
you think i'm talking out of my arse but i know source. it is flat-out evil toward anyone who wants to have fun. anyone who wants to make something work is source's enemy. source hate human. source want revenge.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
i'm way more than calm. if i weren't calm i'd have called someone a rude word and be banned for flaming already.[/QUOTE]
If I may just say one thing and then be on my way. When I was working on the SMNC characters, I originally had the 1024² textures for the models. When Ekanaut went and released the model sources for the characters with double that resolution textures, it did indeed make quite a quality difference. Instead of having muddy lines everything was nice and crisp.
Also on the same note, the models from Tribes Ascend with their 4096² textures look absolutely amazing in Source Filmmaker when you're making a poster. In a video it doesn't matter so much but for a poster or the like it really does make a difference.
Just my 2 cents.
[editline]8th May 2013[/editline]
Oh yeah, something else I forgot to mention, it also depends on how much of the model the texture covers. If the whole body uses one 1024² texture compared to a 4096² texture, especially if it's a big model on something like a mech, you'll really notice a difference. I may have worded that badly, but hopefully you get the gist of it.
hahaha oh wow
God dammit! You're all still fighting, make progress god dammit!
*Scrubbed*
Psst, make both packs. I never intended to use these in Source games, still don't. I'd rather have the highest quality for documentation on BioShock Wiki. If you want a Source Pack that doesn't need high definition, that can be there too. But having the high definition versions on the ready would be very nice for multiple purposes.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;40574593]Yes, Master. I will work in the bit mines gathering data and converting into textures and models.
Actual on that matter how long till someone manages to get the Skyrails?[/QUOTE]
Its just a few models that are repeated over and over again, shouldnt be hard to get, tonight I plan to extract the whole game and sort through the models and release the important ones.
*Scrubbed*
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;40575184]And what would you deem important?[/QUOTE]
Characters,props,parts of buildings, furniture, all the models really....uemodel extracts everything, that includes art_utils (not tools, just a bunch of nonsense stuff), fx textures etc.
So I have to sort through 30+ gbs of folders and release what people want, the models.
*Scrubbed*
[QUOTE=Roger Waters;40570200]i'll eat my words when he gets 3 models with 10 or so 2048x textures into GMod with bumpmaps, phong, and detail maps. when he proves to me it can be done without making source shit itself, then i will be done. but otherwise, i refuse to believe that source will put up with such heavily detailed models.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dissolution;40556483][IMG]http://puu.sh/2Ox2Z.png[/IMG]
All of my stuff so far excluding the extra Elizabeth outfits.
The hair on Booker and Elizabeth is temporary.[/QUOTE]
i dont really give a shit about the argument here, it's stupid and i'm pretty late anyway (fuck off timezones and busy) but yeah
[QUOTE=Dissolution;40575936]i dont really give a shit about the argument here, it's stupid and i'm pretty late anyway (fuck off timezones and busy) but yeah[/QUOTE]
Just keep pluggin' away! You are the prophet Columbia [i]shoulda[/i] had! Rock on, bro!
(er, ignore that disagree rating I gave. I was on my phone and accidentally hit it..)
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