Yea I agree. I'm afraid to come back and look at this thread. Who knows what I might get next. But I do know it will most likely be negative. Fuck...
[QUOTE=Janooba;15359391]Yea I agree. I'm afraid to come back and look at this thread. Who knows what I might get next. But I do know it will most likely be negative. Fuck... Thanks for ruining my day guys. This map is done. No more. It's being fused with another mappers half done map and hopefully it SOMEONE of importance will see at least ONE! thing in it that satisfies him. (I highly doubt it)[/QUOTE]
*shrug*
You can't just barge in with a first map and expect everyone to love it. It doesn't work like that.
As a community we've argued for days about what kind of critcism to give, but often the strong negative criticism weeds out the people who are good enough to accept it, and use it to inspire them to work all the harder next time.
You cannot really complain, since the regulars treat everyone in the same manner. We mercilessly pull apart flaws in a map in order that you improve and we do it to everyone. It's not some bizzare personal vendetta, don't take it too personally, and come back and show us that you can listen and improve.
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Okay, If that's no longer working on the layout;
Blocky
Boring
No Theme
No Lighting Scheme
No Color Scheme
Boring
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Quoted for truth.
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[QUOTE=Janooba;15359391]Yea I agree. I'm afraid to come back and look at this thread. Who knows what I might get next. But I do know it will most likely be negative. Fuck... Thanks for ruining my day guys. This map is done. No more. It's being fused with another mappers half done map and hopefully it SOMEONE of importance will see at least ONE! thing in it that satisfies him. (I highly doubt it)[/QUOTE]
It's your goddamn fault for expecting everyone to not notice the thousands of flaws and just masturbate and cum all over your apparently "superior" map. Maybe you cannot read, because they told you so much goddamn shit to fix but you blocked it out and lashed back with some bullshit excuses and decided NOT to fix what was NEEDED fixing.
[quote=wheelman;15359374]hmm , so far what ive read in this thread is negative, negative, and guess what? More negative comments, im sorry but the pro your sounding like a dick much dont say it looks boring, dull, blocky this is when the community is supposed to support each other not complain about somebody else's mapping, and people wonder why there arent many mapper's, its because topics like these where the mapper gets shut down.[/quote]
you are awesome.
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I HIGHLY recommend reading this:
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=602394[/url]
Look at rules 2, 3, and 18.
Alright guys. I'm sorry for arguing, you may have been harsh but you did what you should. The only thing I ask now is that you expand a little more than one word.
Example: Instead of saying "Sub-par lighting" expand and say. "Don't use white lights, give it some color and theme it. Yellow/orange for warm and blue/green for cold, metal, and hostile" Maybe not even that long but something to steer me in the right direction. After all I'm not the master and still need to be pointed in the right direction.
If you believe it has "Absolutely nothing" good in it. Please don't say it at all. Just say, "needs a HELL of a lot more work" or something less, harsh
Thanks
I think it looks really good.
Maybe put the name of the mall (if there is a name) above the entrance or somewhere near there:D
Good map so far, keep up the good work.
2 Great maps (This map and RP_Suncity) coming up?! Great! Keep up the good work!
P.S. To all you haters out there, my motto is: Less eye-candy, more fps (especially on RP maps).
Add a subway to connect the districts. And great map, Janooba, it's coming out good.
[QUOTE=L337N008;15397933]2 Great maps (This map and RP_Suncity) coming up?! Great! Keep up the good work!
P.S. To all you haters out there, my motto is: Less eye-candy, more fps (especially on RP maps).[/QUOTE]
Nice motto! :smileface:
I had a subway before. but it wasn't mine. I just took it from another map and I shouldn't do that. But I have no idea how to do the logic stuff, and my map isn't big enough... yet.
I'll tell my opinion.
Firstly, Janooba and Wolf, you're treating this map as if it's epicness. It could be, but as of right now, it's not. That's how I used to be.
Secondly, Lord Ned, I used to have tons of respect for you. Right now, I've kinda lost it.
Alright, now on the map.
Pictures:
Good: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 23, 24.
Decent: 6- 12, 14-22.
Bad: 13.
All in all, it's a WIP, so there's not much to say. However, don't expect sprinkled responses. We're here to tell you what's bad. However, sometimes we SHOULD say what's good. I like the lighting and mall, and most other things besides the blockiness. It's blocky at some parts (House, Outside of Mall, etc.) Hopefully it will get better over time, as it has.
Zally: Your losing respect for me because I'm trying to nurture him into a better mapper? Good mappers don't get good by being praised with epicness. They get good by being told "It's shit", or "Your lighting is shit". Then, they need to strive on their own to make it better.
[b]You will NOT become a better mapper with someone holding your hand the entire way.[/b]
Ah, sorry, I meant your early posts saying that it's snotty and stuff to name a map for yourself. I read this whole thread and somehow missed that you had a headache... Meh, we all have some of those posts. Anyways, Lord Ned, I'm not saying you're doing a bad job at reviewing it. In fact, what you're saying is decent. Although advice would help. Meh, I still think that Wolf is giving the map too much praise. Are you the friend that you and Janooba are merging together? Wouldn't really surprise me. Anyways, sorry for the misunderstanding Lord Ned.
[QUOTE=Zally13;15425554]Are you the friend that you and Janooba are merging together?[/QUOTE]
No, that would be me.
And wolf is a little... protective. Its not as awesome as he says. I said before and I am saying now. [b]This map is not epic[/b]
Zally, I respect you, you have some really good points.
Lord Ned. I don't expect you or anyone to "hold my hand." In fact, last time I checked a compliment had nothing to do with babying someone, a simple compliment can give a huge boost in someones morals and that's all I ask for. I never asked anyone to tell me how to make my map. I told them to point me to my flaws.
Either way Lord Ned I respect you too, you seem to know what your talking about. I don't necessarily have to like you, but I respect you.
Where you said they need to get told "their lighting is shit" I agree. But you need to explain how its shit, is it too bright, is it not colored, is it badly placed? And if its all of the above you need to say that. Don't make them get frustrated figuring it out and constantly being harassed about something they don't know how to fix
BTW with text its hard to think if someone is angry or calm or whatever. If this was spoken it would be spoken calmly and... happily?
And here's what I do: If someone told me my lighting was shit, I'd go look at the Pros -- Namley valve. I'd copy their style, work, whatever, and improved it.
It works perfectly in theory, because you don't see people running around going "VALVE'S MAPS LIGHTING LOOKS LIKE SHIT", so...
Oh for god sakes!
When will you guys bloody realise that this type of "constructive critictism" Is both hurtful and demeaning In some ways.
Try being NICER In your criticism!
By the looks of It you are taking every single chance at racking down on his efforts, which Is NOT the way to go!
This Is exactly what scares most newbies off, people racking down on their first projects and being MEAN In their criticism.
You are forcing him to take a defensive position Instead of a PRODUCTIVE position.
He Is not going to Improve If you just rack down on him like this and be mean.
Be constructive In your criticism but be NICE!
Not everyone works harder If they get yelled at
I think that It looks like a great map
It may not be "epic", but nevertheless; It's great.
/Myrr
Actually, that's good if they're scaring of the newbies, showing they can't take it. If they can't take it, they can't become good mappers. It's simple. People will be rude to them no matter how good the map is (except evocity :P) so don't expect everyone to like it. People will hate it, and that's that. In fact, telling people what's bad is pretty much what criticism means.
[QUOTE=Zally13;15433836]Actually, that's good if they're scaring of the newbies, showing they can't take it. If they can't take it, they can't become good mappers. It's simple. People will be rude to them no matter how good the map is (except evocity :P) so don't expect everyone to like it. People will hate it, and that's that. In fact, telling people what's bad is pretty much what criticism means.[/QUOTE]
It's okay to say that someone's work Is bad, but being mean In the process Is not the way to go
Some mappers learn faster If people criticize them like this, but not ALL of them.
You can't say "If you can't handle bad criticism you can never become a good mapper", because that Is not true.
Tons of people chose to Ignore bad criticism and end up being good mappers
I never said you should be mean, I just said people aren't being mean, they're telling him what's wrong.
[QUOTE=Zally13;15434130]I never said you should be mean, I just said people aren't being mean, they're telling him what's wrong.[/QUOTE]
Some of these comments are correct, but they are also very rude
I'm not saying that people criticise the work of others, I'm just saying that they should do It In a less rude manner
Meh, whatever, sorry Janooba, if I made this thread a criticism war.
[QUOTE=Ankpuss;15434352]Some of these comments are correct, but they are also very rude
I'm not saying that people criticise the work of others, I'm just saying that they should do It In a less rude manner[/QUOTE]
Rude comments? [I]On the Internet?[/I] *Gasp*
People speak their minds here. Some will say they hate the map and point out all the defects. Some will say they love it and suck the cock of the mapper in a hopeless attempt at friendship. Some will just say what they think is wrong and how to fix it.
Oh yea newest additions. Not much at all. But its the weekend
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[QUOTE=Bulaba0;15434741]Rude comments? [I]On the Internet?[/I] *Gasp*
People speak their minds here. Some will say they hate the map and point out all the defects. Some will say they love it and suck the cock of the mapper in a hopeless attempt at friendship. Some will just say what they think is wrong and how to fix it.[/QUOTE]
Lol, thank you Captain Obvious :P
It's improving!
Thanks.
I just learned how to create bumpmaps for my custom textures.
Now all I need is to know how to convert Lightwave model files to MDL and how to make a texture for it!
*hint hint* Anyone know?
NEW STORE! TangoGorila, who is helping me, read that this map was blocky. So he created this.
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All the walls are curved.
[QUOTE=Zally13;15433836]Actually, that's good if they're scaring of the newbies, showing they can't take it. If they can't take it, they can't become good mappers. It's simple. People will be rude to them no matter how good the map is (except evocity :P) so don't expect everyone to like it. People will hate it, and that's that. In fact, telling people what's bad is pretty much what criticism means.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=Zally13;15433836]Actually, that's good if they're scaring of the newbies, showing they can't take it. If they can't take it, they can't become good mappers. It's simple. People will be rude to them no matter how good the map is (except evocity :P) so don't expect everyone to like it. People will hate it, and that's that. In fact, telling people what's bad is pretty much what criticism means.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. You said it more politely then I would have said it. Mine would have been along the lines of "Fine. Let them get out," lol.
And just for the record, I was rude to Evocity. I insulted the shit out of Sgt. Sgt for being lazy and not fixing a mass of simple mistakes that takes 20 seconds to fix.
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