[QUOTE=Pyth;36572997]What are you smoking? Garry's Mod is a mod of Half-Life 2 and it's sister and cousin games, nothing changed there. Evocity started out as a decompiled version of de_dust and dm_overwatch? Immitation isn't the same as taking the original and editing it. 'By that logic', an indie artist painting something similar to Mona Lisa would be equally as credible as someone who photocopied the original Mona Lisa and drew on a handlebar moustache with a Sharpie marker.
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Using your reasoning:
- Garry's Mod = Garry's modification of HL2DM.
- Garry's Mod will always be HL2DM + other source games no matter how much it's modified
- Modified maps will always be what they originally were, no matter how much you modify
- Evocity uses textures, models, etc from HL2 (other episodes) and CSS. It will always be a HL2 & CSS map no matter how much you modify it.
I disagree.
Yes, look at Picasso. Art can be anything. So much music is sampled...
RE: ?
There's are reason why we're not modifying your maps.
once again for the controversial argument that its wrong to rearrange maps and such, I have to say who gives a shit, Sgt.Sgt gave people the opportunity for people to take and make there own version. Thats what a community is.
and if you ask me it think -X- has done a good job of making a map that is smaller but has the big elements. its something that smaller roleplay communities need.
[QUOTE=-X-;36573557]Using your reasoning:
- Garry's Mod = Garry's modification of HL2DM.
- Garry's Mod will always be HL2DM + other source games no matter how much it's modified[/QUOTE]
Um no, but it will always be associated with Half-Life 2 and it's affiliates.
[quote]- Modified maps will always be what they originally were, no matter how much you modify[/quote]
Again with the literal issue you have, it will be associated. Even assuming it will be the exact map is ridiculous.
[quote]- Evocity uses textures, models, etc from HL2 (other episodes) and CSS. It will always be a HL2 & CSS map no matter how much you modify it.[/quote]
.vtf =/= .vmf and again, association.
[quote]RE: ?
There's are reason why we're not modifying your maps.[/quote]
Because I don't release any is a pretty good reason.
Anyway, I'm embarrassed that I kept this going, you're incapable of sifting through context to see if maybe it's not exactly what you first think. Work on that literal issue you constantly prove you have.
lmao i come back to this thread after a day and find 40+ new posts and they're all about an argument
[QUOTE=-X-;36571328]
[U]You misunderstood[/U] me.
Your question: "... I am [B]not allowed[/B] to criticize your maps?" Yes = You are [B]not allowed[/B]. No = You are allowed.
My answer: "No," ([B]you are allowed[/B], but) "please provide valid non-hypocritical criticism. Don't tell me how great other mappers are, to become like them, and that it's about hard work and determination -- when you yourself settle for mediocrity, and are a "lazy arseholes" that "just steal"s." I hope this clears things up...[/QUOTE]
It doesn't. You are still accusing him of being a lazy arsehole who steals, and i'm not sure how you aim to back that one up.
[QUOTE=Pyth;36573805]Um no, but it will always be associated with Half-Life 2 and it's affiliates.
Again with the literal issue you have, it will be associated. Even assuming it will be the exact map is ridiculous.
.vtf =/= .vmf and again, association.
Because I don't release any is a pretty good reason.
Anyway, I'm embarrassed that I kept this going, you're incapable of sifting through context to see if maybe it's not exactly what you first think. Work on that literal issue you constantly prove you have.[/QUOTE]
Whatever the first part means.
I love how you speak for the masses (and mappers) and introduce new "truths" and unwritten rules that you and others may or may not follow. Your sense of morality, self-worth, and pride are yours and are not shared by everyone. Therefore, we have rules and laws, but I'm not going to following your additional red tape. I hope to sift through your feedback and find something useful.
I'd be embarrased too, since at the end of the day GMod and all other video games are highly modified versions of Pong and Pong is a higly modified version of...and...
Thank you for taking the time to post. :)
[QUOTE=IronPhoenix;36574149]It doesn't. You are still accusing him of being a lazy arsehole who steals, and i'm not sure how you aim to back that one up.[/QUOTE]
Am not. It means: Everyone is free to leave criticism, but please don't do it like Antec. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=-X-;36574700]Whatever the first part means.
I love how you speak for the masses (and mappers) and introduce new "truths" and unwritten rules that you and others may or may not follow. Your sense of morality, self-worth, and pride are yours and are not shared by everyone. Therefore, we have rules and laws, but I'm not going to following your additional red tape. I hope to sift through your feedback and find something useful.
I'd be embarrased too, since at the end of the day GMod and all other video games are highly modified versions of Pong and Pong is a higly modified version of...and...
Thank you for taking the time to post. :)
Am not. It means: Everyone is free to leave criticism, but please don't do it like Antec. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Computer games advance all the time, gmod is not a modified version of pong, they use different code structures and languages. Pong is probably about 100 lines of code. BF2 was about 3 million.
dammit -x- are you genuinely retarded
Far too many shits being given in this thread.
I like your changes. It's a shame it's not all yours, but what you've done with it is nice.
Although, the cracked dirt texture on that sandy parking lot area looks a bit strange to me, a bit out of place. Might look good as a blend texture so you can blend some concrete around the edges with dirt or something, just so the transition from curb to dirt isn't so obvious.
[QUOTE=-X-;36568998]
PS: We've included a "very special" large Easter egg in the country/lake/forest. (We add it long ago because of Facepunch, and what it is (mostly) filled with.) I hope you find it.
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Wow, you're expectations are high even expecting me to play this..
As for the easter egg..
IS IT A STOLEN BUILDEN FROM DOWNTOWN? :v:
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;36569168]You have a point there, but you've got to remember this map is just for his roleplay community. I can't imagine it's intended for the general public, so quality control can't be that big of an issue to him.
I see more than one side to an argument, I can admit that. These people [I]can[/I] improve if they're not insulted every few minutes, I've seen it happen frequently. Can you mind explaining what you think he's wrong about, and why this means that he'll always be an unoriginal, unproductive person?[/QUOTE]
Noone ever insulted anyone in here until - x - started throwing a fit, all we did was give constructive criticism. Well to be honest, I called him an idiot, but I also told him why I thought he was being an idiot. but ya know, maybe everyone agrees with TCB because he's, I dunno, right? There's just a way things go here in the FP mapping community, and if you aren't going to follow the way we do things, go to another mapping forum that's going to apparently be "nicer" And it really does intrigue me turtleey, why do you feel the need to blindly defend every person who fucks up in this sub forum? and don't say that you see both sides of the argument, it's plain as day what his side of the argument is, he was really proud of all this "work" he did, then he gets pissed off when he's told by some real mappers (and others) that what he's done isn't impressive at the least instead of just taking the criticism and claiming he'll try to create his own map, which he would be ten times more proud of than this. Seriously dude, you need to quit that shit, turtleey, it's getting obnoxious.
[QUOTE=Antec;36576718]Wow, you're expectations are high even expecting me to play this..
As for the easter egg..
IS IT A STOLEN BUILDEN FROM DOWNTOWN? :v:[/QUOTE]
it's prolly the easter egg from mobinex :v:
[QUOTE=THATCAKEISASPY;36571692]I personally want to see what SGT.SGT thinks about this...[/QUOTE]
I don't care as others have said. Thread was entertaining to read. Tried the map though. It has a ways to go. Especially the desert area. Nothing looks right. Everything is just dropped in no roads alleys etc. Looks rather odd. Also you have nodraw on terrain near the hotel, gotta look under the ground with noclip to see. One of the houses near the lake has railing out front that is floating. Also nice try locking the map. :V I like the lake area. Keep going with it I released the vmf so people could do this type of stuff.
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;36578803]I don't care as others have said. Thread was entertaining to read. Tried the map though. It has a ways to go. Especially the desert area. Nothing looks right. Everything is just dropped in no roads alleys etc. Looks rather odd. Also you have nodraw on terrain near the hotel, gotta look under the ground with noclip to see. One of the houses near the lake has railing out front that is floating. Also nice try locking the map. :V I like the lake area. Keep going with it I released the vmf so people could do this type of stuff.[/QUOTE]
Now because you've heard what Sgt.Sgt (owner of the original map) said, let's just stop talking about how stupid is -X- because he edited the map.
PS:Hope what I write is correct.
[QUOTE=Antec;36576718]Wow, you're expectations are high even expecting me to play this..
As for the easter egg..
IS IT A STOLEN BUILDEN FROM DOWNTOWN? :v:[/QUOTE]
All our welcome. It's illegal to discriminate against age or disability. :v:
No, it's something I stole from Feng Zhu.
[QUOTE=zach1193;36576898]Noone ever insulted anyone in here until - x - started throwing a fit...
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Then you are either blind or illiterate.
The first punch was thrown by Antec:
[QUOTE=Antec;36555640]Its a downside cause lazy arseholes like yourself just steal parts of maps, rearranging them and then add a few things and then try and say its there map. Whilst still giving the original author a [B]LITTLE[/B] bit credit when [B]MOST[/B] of the map is basically his that you are using?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;36578803]I don't care as others have said. Thread was entertaining to read. Tried the map though. It has a ways to go. Especially the desert area. Nothing looks right. Everything is just dropped in no roads alleys etc. Looks rather odd. Also you have nodraw on terrain near the hotel, gotta look under the ground with noclip to see. One of the houses near the lake has railing out front that is floating. Also nice try locking the map. :V I like the lake area. Keep going with it I released the vmf so people could do this type of stuff.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the feedback. We rushed the desert area, we mistakenly gave our players an ETA and it was taking way longer than expected. We forgot to correct the nodraw again. We removed it a few times but hammer crashed (many times) and at least twice Hammer corrupted the whole map. We also missed a few things in Pakrat and a few textures you used in map we couldn't find anywhere. The desert needs a lot of work and detail. Thank you for the original map. :D
[QUOTE=R@Rdeathmatch;36579091]Now because you've heard what Sgt.Sgt (owner of the original map) said, let's just stop talking about how stupid is -X- because he edited the map.
PS:Hope what I write is correct.[/QUOTE]
I'll keep those subscribed posted of reached milestones.
[QUOTE=-X-;36579184]All our welcome. It's illegal to discriminate against age or disability. :v:
No, it's something I stole from Feng Zhu.
Then you are either blind or illiterate.
The first punch was thrown by Antec:
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And yet, discrimination happens, just like you have discriminated against the blind.
This is looking really good.
This thread should be locked and a new one should be made when the map is about to be released.
Too much bickering in here TBH.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;36584599]This thread should be locked and a new one should be made when the map is about to be released.
Too much bickering in here TBH.[/QUOTE]
Seconded
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I also must note, you don't have to agree with his methods, he is going to do it anyway. If you don't agree with him using Sgt.sgt's map then just don't post and let the thread sink. Did you decompile his map -X-?
[QUOTE=Wargate;36610903]Seconded
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I also must note, you don't have to agree with his methods, he is going to do it anyway. If you don't agree with him using Sgt.sgt's map then just don't post and let the thread sink. Did you decompile his map -X-?[/QUOTE]
[B][URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1079279"]RP_EvoCity_v33x and vmf![/URL][/B]
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;32139089][QUOTE=Batnutz;32116602]... But are we allowed to extract the content from this map and use it in our own maps and credit you?[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's fine.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;36578803]... Keep going with it I released the vmf so people could do this type of stuff.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I don't see the problem. You added a lot of things and they were good. Who gives a shit if you used an old good and proven map as a base?
[QUOTE=-X-;36617813][B][URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1079279"]RP_EvoCity_v33x and vmf![/URL][/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks -x-, also I did not know that he released it for others to work with, that's completely different. Good luck with the map. Cheers.
[QUOTE=Wargate;36610903]Seconded
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I also must note, you don't have to agree with his methods, he is going to do it anyway. If you don't agree with him using Sgt.sgt's map then just don't post and let the thread sink. Did you decompile his map -X-?[/QUOTE]
Bad Reading rating needs to come back.
On topic, No I only disliked how he put v33x. I mean all of that is unnecessary. It's essentially saying "v3.3.x.1" which is stupid. He should just make it v4.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;36621137]Bad Reading rating needs to come back.
On topic, No I only disliked how he put v33x. I mean all of that is unnecessary. It's essentially saying "v3.3.x.1" which is stupid. He should just make it v4.[/QUOTE]
Normally if you were to specify an edit, or a rehash, you wouldn't change the whole version number.It is using previous work, so you would leave the title of the previous work in there.
[QUOTE=Wargate;36621404]Normally if you were to specify an edit, or a rehash, you wouldn't change the whole version number.It is using previous work, so you would leave the title of the previous work in there.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but with how many "v2xx" and "v3/v33x/v3x/vX" versions there are it is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;36621457]Yeah but with how many "v2xx" and "v3/v33x/v3x/vX" versions there are it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Deal with it? I don't know what else to say. That is in my opinion the proper way to do it, so you still credit yourself, and the original author.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;36621137]Bad Reading rating needs to come back.
On topic, No I only disliked how he put v33x. I mean all of that is unnecessary. It's essentially saying "v3.3.x.1" which is stupid. He should just make it v4.[/QUOTE]
Evocity 4 (I think there are 6) would only add to the confusion. For all we know Stg. may already be working on v4 (7?) and we weren't given permission (nor did we seek it) to use the Evocity name. Even parodies don't share the same name.
Private (for now) and unofficial Evocity 7 [B]vs[/B] Chaos City v33x.
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;36621457]Yeah but with how many "v2xx" and "v3/v33x/v3x/vX" versions there are it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
That is because v8x v13x v15x v17x and v33x were all paid updates for voltage gaming and not meant to be final. Also there is yet another version in the works on my part but that is for a certain server, also paid update.
I have no idea why everyone is complaining that it's a copy or anything. He made a good edit to the map, maybe he shouldn't have renamed it but it's a whole lot better map.
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