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[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;40354765]Yeah, this asshole needs to get off my thread. He isn't actually complementing or criticising my map.[/QUOTE] Believe it or not TCB knows a considerable amount more than you so don't be offended when he's pointing out what's wrong with your logic. [quote]Using this example again, "Awful brushwork, looks more like a sandbox map with these box-like builidings." things like this don't help me. They're just telling me how bad I am at mapping, which to be quite frank, I know.[/quote] Nobody is posting you're a bad mapper, only that you're inexperienced. If somebody tells you that you have awful brushwork, what's not to understand? Nobody here will sugarcoat things for you and complaining about why nobody is complimenting on your map isn't getting you anywhere. Let me tell you what you need to look out for. [url]http://puu.sh/2yiqR/407a2ba80d[/url] You have a carpet textures on the bottom of the upper staircase which looks off. The transition from the carpet to the lower wall in the stairs looks odd too. [url]http://puu.sh/2yirY/ac5e4e51ea[/url] Where's the kitchen or the bedroom or the bathroom? Also, your ceiling looks too low compared to those door frames. [url]http://puu.sh/2yivM/2cede7fb13[/url] Doesn't look like any supermarket I've ever been to. No shelves? No checkout counters? Also, black sky? And your lighting needs some work. Don't make your lighting completely white, and play around with lights and light_spots and their 4th brightness values. Also, I see zero light sources like lamps. Light doesn't just come from thin air.

[QUOTE=HighdefGE;40356893]Believe it or not TCB knows a considerable amount more than you so don't be offended when he's pointing out what's wrong with your logic. Nobody is posting you're a bad mapper, only that you're inexperienced. If somebody tells you that you have awful brushwork, what's not to understand? Nobody here will sugarcoat things for you and complaining about why nobody is complimenting on your map isn't getting you anywhere. Let me tell you what you need to look out for. [url]http://puu.sh/2yiqR/407a2ba80d[/url] You have a carpet textures on the bottom of the upper staircase which looks off. The transition from the carpet to the lower wall in the stairs looks odd too. [url]http://puu.sh/2yirY/ac5e4e51ea[/url] Where's the kitchen or the bedroom or the bathroom? Also, your ceiling looks too low compared to those door frames. [url]http://puu.sh/2yivM/2cede7fb13[/url] Doesn't look like any supermarket I've ever been to. No shelves? No checkout counters? Also, black sky? And your lighting needs some work. Don't make your lighting completely white, and play around with lights and light_spots and their 4th brightness values. Also, I see zero light sources like lamps. Light doesn't just come from thin air.[/QUOTE] There's really no excuse for the apartment ramps, admittedly. The idea of the supermarket and apartments being empty is because players will want to make their own things. Black sky, it's meant to be night time. Fair enough, I will add lights.

Great start so far keep up the good work. When its done ill defently play it!

[QUOTE=nickster50;40380535]Great start so far keep up the good work. When its done ill defently play it![/QUOTE] Thanks! :D

Is it done yet

[QUOTE=nickster50;40443929]Is it done yet[/QUOTE] No, but I'm getting there. I'll post some more screenies today. Sorry about the slow progress. [editline]5th May 2013[/editline] Behind 45th Apartments and the new district tunnel [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2Nlrz/842466e866.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] In front of 45th Apts and the tunnel (Yeah, I tried to do some landscaping. Came out horrible IMO) [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2Nlsv/1c1d7c746d.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] Inside 45th Apts [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2Nlu1/7ee82970af.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] 45th Apts ground floor storage room [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NluH/c4ff842afc.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] Inside of one of the apartments [First room] (Please remember, these apartments are lower-class) [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NlvU/7ea9b1e529.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] Inside of one of the apartments [Second room] [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2Nlxv/df13520d6c.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] Inside one of the larger 'room' apartments [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NlyJ/a3429a010b.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] Rear courtyard of 45th Apts (Might put buildings here) [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NlAp/bf02fa4542.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] More industrial buildings (Although this area isn't done yet) [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NlBY/756ec65e93.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] A new shop by the second train station [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NlD7/aa7a68df00.jpg[/IMG_THUMB] Inside the new shop [IMG_THUMB]http://puu.sh/2NlEC/4fca951b4a.jpg[/IMG_THUMB]

Looks really nice to me, very well done. A little bit more work and this could be a great RP map!

[QUOTE=leaf117;40536372]Looks really nice to me, very well done. A little bit more work and this could be a great RP map![/QUOTE] Thanks :D I might release a beta of this map soon. It's not very big, but it seems some people want to play it.

I'm now running a beta test of the map on my server. 198.7.63.105:27005 is the IP for anyone who wants to try the map out. Please remember it's hugely unfinished and there /are/ issues with it.

Played it! 10/10 better than what I expected! It has a lot of features!

If that isn't an alt account posting I don't know what an alt account is [editline]7th May 2013[/editline] Someone joining, in May, on the same day the test server goes up, posting basically the same time the test server goes up, that it's "fun"? Almost ridiculous imo. leaf117 probably is an alt as well and another effort at keeping this thread alive. Created on the same day of his first post complementing the map. Honestly now, the rest of this post is directed at OP. I've been in the Mapping section for maybe a year now and the people who post criticism on your map don't always mince their words. But for the most part, they're not going to personally insult you or your dog, or cat or house or whatever. If it's at your map, it's at your work, and at least take the time to look past the initial reaction and consider the contents of their suggestions. The fact that you brushed off TCB and Mozartkugeln is really strange to me. Mozart set up a great tutorial about curves and corner pieces that I thought was impossible in Hammer. I don't think you thought to look at that before you called him an asshole. You should be gracious for any attention that comes to your thread, besides obvious flaming or trolling. It's important to remember that they owe you nothing, and anything you get is something to keep in mind. Nobody's forcing you to follow their advice, but nobody's forcing them to play your map. The fact that you're receiving no attention could explain the alt accounts, or random people discovering Facepunch the same day they discover this map and complementing it as if they love it so much they're desperate.

[QUOTE=cardboardtheory;40565728]If that isn't an alt account posting I don't know what an alt account is [editline]7th May 2013[/editline] Someone joining, in May, on the same day the test server goes up, posting basically the same time the test server goes up, that it's "fun"? Almost ridiculous imo. leaf117 probably is an alt as well and another effort at keeping this thread alive. Created on the same day of his first post complementing the map. Honestly now, the rest of this post is directed at OP. I've been in the Mapping section for maybe a year now and the people who post criticism on your map don't always mince their words. But for the most part, they're not going to personally insult you or your dog, or cat or house or whatever. If it's at your map, it's at your work, and at least take the time to look past the initial reaction and consider the contents of their suggestions. The fact that you brushed off TCB and Mozartkugeln is really strange to me. Mozart set up a great tutorial about curves and corner pieces that I thought was impossible in Hammer. I don't think you thought to look at that before you called him an asshole. You should be gracious for any attention that comes to your thread, besides obvious flaming or trolling. It's important to remember that they owe you nothing, and anything you get is something to keep in mind. Nobody's forcing you to follow their advice, but nobody's forcing them to play your map. The fact that you're receiving no attention could explain the alt accounts, or random people discovering Facepunch the same day they discover this map and complementing it as if they love it so much they're desperate.[/QUOTE] 1. I don't do alt accounts, I'm not a petty asshole that's looking for attention. I invited my friends to facepunch to show them. 2. I couldn't give a shit what people think of my attitude. If you don't like me, fuck off from my thread and don't cause an issue. 3. I'm merely looking for feedback on my map, not some asshole to come here criticizing me on my attitude. 4. Just because you think someone's map is shit, doesn't mean the rest of the community on this god-forsaken forum have to think that too. Don't say it's an alt just because it's contradicting what you / some other people think. Please, think before you post. If you have no feedback to give me on my map then GTFO my topic. Kthx.

As far as the map goes, I find it a little bland. Following a few lighting tutorials should help out, as well as detailing places of interest. Understandably it's your first real map. I acknowledge your decision to post it publicly. It is somewhat interesting that you invited "friends" to post in the thread. Considering their feedback is a little more than biased and being first posters as well, I don't realize why you think their suggestions deserve friendlies and polite replies while other criticism by experienced mappers with >500 posts deserve insults and dumb ratings. However sir, I believe you should be the one thinking before you post. Name one time I criticized your attitude in my entire post. Name one time where I even said anything about your map, much less it being shit. I'm actually not surprised that I was shot down as fast as others were, considering that half of the thread is basically an argument. No, I wasn't commenting on your map. I was simply suggesting ways you could improve yourself in dealing with others' criticism. That's all I have to say. Sorry you think of FP like that, but best of luck.

[QUOTE=cardboardtheory;40576859]As far as the map goes, I find it a little bland. Following a few lighting tutorials should help out, as well as detailing places of interest. Understandably it's your first real map. I acknowledge your decision to post it publicly. It is somewhat interesting that you invited "friends" to post in the thread. Considering their feedback is a little more than biased and being first posters as well, I don't realize why you think their suggestions deserve friendlies and polite replies while other criticism by experienced mappers with >500 posts deserve insults and dumb ratings. However sir, I believe you should be the one thinking before you post. Name one time I criticized your attitude in my entire post. Name one time where I even said anything about your map, much less it being shit. I'm actually not surprised that I was shot down as fast as others were, considering that half of the thread is basically an argument. No, I wasn't commenting on your map. I was simply suggesting ways you could improve yourself in dealing with others' criticism. That's all I have to say. Sorry you think of FP like that, but best of luck.[/QUOTE] 500 posts doesn't make you a professional at something. You were hinting at what was said in this thread previously. Thanks for the advice/etc. Nothing more to say ...

"Dumb" rating me without posting to give me a reason? nice work.

It ain't pretty but I love that "this is my map and I worked on it to it's conclusion" feel. And you know what? It's not a bad thing that it's not gorgeous. What's important is that you finished it, and if you hold onto the vmf you could even choose to revisit it some day to make a revamp.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;40596422]"Dumb" rating me without posting to give me a reason? nice work.[/QUOTE] i'm rating you dumb because you're dumb and post dumb things

[QUOTE=MrStorm;40548992]Played it! 10/10 better than what I expected! It has a lot of features![/QUOTE] [QUOTE=leaf117;40536372]Looks really nice to me, very well done. A little bit more work and this could be a great RP map![/QUOTE] Mors Quaedam Inivted MrStorm 6th May 2013, 08:09AM Accepted 6th May 2013, 08:10AM Mors Quaedam Invited Penjuin 5th May 2013, 10:32AM Accepted 5th May 2013, 10:39AM Mors Quaedam Invited leaf117 5th May 2013, 10:32AM Accepted 5th May 2013, 10:34AM nice.

You want a reason for tossing a cardboard box at you? Okie dokie then. 1. I like cardboard boxes, they used to make awesome houses and fortresses when I was like 5. 2. You're defensive to the point you're offensive and each post you make acting as if you were personally insulted in response to legitimate criticism is making you look more like an unappreciative arse instead of someone who actively wants to be better at mapping and improve their skills. 3. You may of made the thread, but it is on a forum that others have free access too once they have an account, you're going to get people responding to you - repeatedly in some cases - even if you don't like it. 4. This is Facepunch, while the majority of users could probably word their replies better so it doesn't come off quite as abrasive seeming, they shouldn't have to in order to get what they're trying to say across to you. In any sort of actual job that involves creating or designing, you're going to meet - and be bossed by - people who are much ruder. Not accepting criticism because you do not like how it was put across means you're eventually just going to stonewall yourself. 5. You made alt accounts and then used them to make your map look better. Fresh, newly created alts that had 1 post. It's obvious. 6. You got defensive and attacked the user who pointed this out, and then explained in better detail what he was talking about. He is right, as you should be appreciative of all feedback you got on your map, even the ones you didn't like as it IS feedback. 7. You now have another user pointing out the invite and join dates of the alt accounts. If anything, you should try saving face by now and stop making fake accounts and attacking people that give you feedback.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;40599642]Mors Quaedam Inivted MrStorm 6th May 2013, 08:09AM Accepted 6th May 2013, 08:10AM Mors Quaedam Invited Penjuin 5th May 2013, 10:32AM Accepted 5th May 2013, 10:39AM Mors Quaedam Invited leaf117 5th May 2013, 10:32AM Accepted 5th May 2013, 10:34AM nice.[/QUOTE] And? As I said. They are my friends. They've actually RP'd on the map. In fact, one of them is an admin on my server -_- I don't dictate what they post on my topics. They chose to. [editline]11th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=:smugspike:;40598822]It ain't pretty but I love that "this is my map and I worked on it to it's conclusion" feel. And you know what? It's not a bad thing that it's not gorgeous. What's important is that you finished it, and if you hold onto the vmf you could even choose to revisit it some day to make a revamp.[/QUOTE] It's not done yet :3 This is just a beta release. [editline]11th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TCB;40599543]i'm rating you dumb because you're dumb and post dumb things[/QUOTE] I'm rating [B]you[/B] dumb because you're dumb and you post dumb things. Why are you even here?

Have you ever really considered why people are giving you dumb ratings instead of reacting defensively

[QUOTE=cardboardtheory;40606398]Have you ever really considered why people are giving you dumb ratings instead of reacting defensively[/QUOTE] If I don't react defensively people like TCB won't fuck off anyway. This topic is actually pointless now and I'm going to make a new one once this piece of shit dies.

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;40604091] Why are you even here?[/QUOTE] because i spend a lot of time in this section and i know how it works. i don't like seeing stubborn idiots like you act rude to those who give valid criticism. maybe they were being too complicated. your map, honestly, looks awful and you're incredibly pretentious and stubborn which will get you nowhere [editline]11th May 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;40606552]If I don't react defensively people like TCB won't fuck off anyway. This topic is actually pointless now and I'm going to make a new one once this piece of shit dies.[/QUOTE] this isn't some sort of battle. post your map and learn from criticism and then leave. that's all you have to do, if you get mad at people for perfectly judging your map then they'll just fight back. you don't have to prove that you're ~not a coward who back down~ or anything

[QUOTE=TCB;40609234]because i spend a lot of time in this section and i know how it works. i don't like seeing stubborn idiots like you act rude to those who give valid criticism. maybe they were being too complicated. your map, honestly, looks awful and you're incredibly pretentious and stubborn which will get you nowhere [editline]11th May 2013[/editline] this isn't some sort of battle. post your map and learn from criticism and then leave. that's all you have to do, if you get mad at people for perfectly judging your map then they'll just fight back. you don't have to prove that you're ~not a coward who back down~ or anything[/QUOTE] I've nothing to prove. I just want you to get off my topic.

Then stop replying to him and he will. Christ, how hard can it be to be nice to people nowadays?!