• The Cloverfield Universe - Monsters, ARGs, and Sudden movies out of nowhere, oh my!
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Anyone know if the movie will eventually get a bluray release like Stranger Things did after a certain amount of time?
[QUOTE=Harbie;53110153][sp]I think the idea is that the particle accelerator warped a bunch of different realities across space and time. Clovers showing up is one of the things it did in some dimensions. In other realities it caused an alien invasion. I think the idea is that the wierd sci-fi thing in every Cloverfield movie is a result of this warp. In the original Cloverfield reality it warped a Clover into the 2008 earth. In 10 Cloverfield Lane reality it warped a bunch of hostile aliens into 2016 Earth. In the husband's reality in The Cloverfield Paradox it warped at least one adult Clover in. Probably more, given how panicked he sounded in the last sequence. Essentially, a movie having "Cloverfield" in the title means that some wierd shit in it is gonna happen as a result of the reality fracture created on Cloverfield station in The Cloverfield Paradox. It could take place in the same reality as another Cloverfield movie, or be a completely separate one affected/created by the warp. The origin of clover is ambiguous now. It could be a literal alien warped in from another dimension. Or it could be a deep sea creature that the warpings awoke/altered history so it was always present and just awoken by the company in the original Cloverfield.[/sp] It's a neat concept for an anthology series, but it's a shame it's so blatantly retconned and also sort of undermines alot of the cool "lore".[/QUOTE] my interpretation of what happened [sp]Paradox is the origin of all this shit happening across dimensions.[/sp] if you listen to what interview guy says: [sp]"this experiment could unleash chaos ... monsters, demons, beasts from the sea ... and not just here and now, in the future, in the past, in other dimensions"[/sp] not only that, but: [sp]each bad thing he talks about could broadly be applied to the "spoopy force" in the rest of the known Cloverfield films. the beasts from the sea is Cloverfield 1, the monsters are 10 Cloverfield (this is my biggest stretch in my theory), and demons are Cloverfield Overlord[/sp] with that in mind, if you watch paradox you see [sp]two of the three monsters they've released into the other known movies so far [in my opinion]. you see Clover, but you also see supernatural activities. the station was trying to kill them, but they weren't accidents, they were purposeful actions taken by someone or something, especially considering the hand was able to move, and Mundy in the dimension they jumped into died already. basically everything bad that will ever happen in the Cloverfield franchise, will happen to the Paradox timeline because they're the start of everything going to hell[/sp] all in all i thought it was okay. it could have used an extra 30 minutes or so for pacing purposes, but i think it sets up the ties through the Cloverfield universe pretty well
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;53110403] all in all i thought it was okay. [B]it could have used an extra 30 minutes[/B] or so for pacing purposes, but i think it sets up the ties through the Cloverfield universe pretty well[/QUOTE] Definitely would have helped. It's depressing to think that Alien has been around for nearly 40 years and people still don't know how to rip it off properly
i will note however that my theory is indeed a bit of an asspull that magically covers plot holes, so i could be completely wrong
[QUOTE=Scot;53110004]This movie doesn't connect to the original film in any way whatsoever other than [sp]clover showing up at the end.[/sp] I'm seriously baffled at why they did that.[/QUOTE] there's no way that nothing in this film wasn't supposed to connect to the whatever that fell from the sky at the end of the first one. so many things fell from the sky in this one, that has got to be intentional
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53110935]there's no way that nothing in this film wasn't supposed to connect to the whatever that fell from the sky at the end of the first one. so many things fell from the sky in this one, that has got to be intentional[/QUOTE] Not to mention, [sp]Wasn't the clover in the original a babber? In terms of scale it definitely did not look nearly as big as this one (I mean, it popped its head above the fucking clouds, for chrissakes :v:) to indicate this was a baby. Nope, the one in the Paradox was probably a fully grown one, I think, so it can't be linked to the first one.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53110935]there's no way that nothing in this film wasn't supposed to connect to the whatever that fell from the sky at the end of the first one. so many things fell from the sky in this one, that has got to be intentional[/QUOTE] But that was supposed to have taken place before the rampage, when the events of this film clearly take place during it.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53110944]But that was supposed to have taken place before the rampage, when the events of this film clearly take place during it.[/QUOTE] in one of the dimension, wasn't [sp]the space station supposed to have exploded a few weeks before the events of Paradox? i'd need to watch it again with all the shit that was just thrown out in it[/sp]
[QUOTE=Scot;53110309]I'm sure that's what they were going for, it just doesn't make any sense. If the aliens from 10CL were warped there, why would they immediately launch a full scale attack? Why would only one Clover be warped to Earth and just happen to be a sea creature? Everything completely falls apart when you think about it for even a second.[/QUOTE] Same as the Combine? The warp alerts them of this dimension, and they see it's ripe for invasion and resource harvesting, so they go at it...
[sp]i swear, one of them was like 'space station wreckage found in ocean' or something[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ridge;53110958]Same as the Combine? The warp alerts them of this dimension, and they see it's ripe for invasion and resource harvesting, so they go at it...[/QUOTE] To be honest, we don't even know the events leading to the run-up to the actual invasion thing itself. That part of it is unknown, so it's impossible to test any portion of the linked Cloververse without knowing the circumstances of the invasion, other than "it happened, related to dimension rift".
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53110955]in one of the dimension, wasn't [sp]the space station supposed to have exploded a few weeks before the events of Paradox? i'd need to watch it again with all the shit that was just thrown out in it[/sp][/QUOTE] The news definitely said a couple weeks. But it also said [sp]the war had been raging for 14 months, when no such thing had occurred in the original timeline.[/sp] Given that they are on the far side [sp]of the sun, it's possible/likely they jumped through time as well as space.[/sp] [editline]5th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;53110960][sp]i swear, one of them was like 'space station wreckage found in ocean' or something[/sp][/QUOTE] Yep, and the news footage showed [sp]it remarkably intact. Not like it had fallen out of orbit.[/sp]
I've not seen the new movie yet (or Cloverfield lane, but i know roughly what happens), but at the time of the original movie i found the ARG quite interesting. From what i remember it was something about the Monster (and the parasites) being found under the sea along with something used in the "Slusho!" drink which made it extremely addicting, and there was a whole in-universe conspiracy. Does the new movie retconn all that? It's a bit disappointing if that's the case.
[QUOTE=nightlord;53110975]I've not seen the new movie yet (or Cloverfield lane, but i know roughly what happens), but at the time of the original movie i found the ARG quite interesting. From what i remember it was something about the Monster (and the parasites) being found under the sea and used in the "Slusho!" drink which made it extremely addicting, and there was a whole in-universe conspiracy. Does the new movie retconn all that? It's a bit disappointing if that's the case.[/QUOTE] I don't think it touches on any of that. The backstory is focused on an energy crisis.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53110960][sp]i swear, one of them was like 'space station wreckage found in ocean' or something[/sp][/QUOTE] Yeah, but that was also the one where [sp]all out war was happening as well[/sp]
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53110989]Yeah, but that was also the one where [sp]all out war was happening as well[/sp][/QUOTE] i mean then, going with what the movie establishes, [sp]isn't there also then a universe where the station explodes but war doesn't break out? man i actually don't like this, this is some stupid rick and morty shit but not played for a joke[/sp]
I like the consistent easter egg of having Kelvin somewhere in a JJ Abrams movie
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53111004]i mean then, going with what the movie establishes, [sp]isn't there also then a universe where the station explodes but war doesn't break out? man i actually don't like this, this is some stupid rick and morty shit but not played for a joke[/sp][/QUOTE] The multiverse theory suggests there is an infinite number of parallel universes with all matter of tiny and massive differences.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;53111004]i mean then, going with what the movie establishes, [sp]isn't there also then a universe where the station explodes but war doesn't break out? man i actually don't like this, this is some stupid rick and morty shit but not played for a joke[/sp][/QUOTE] Honestly, that's what I was thinking would happen when I watched it. [sp]Instead of ending up back in the universe they belong to, they end up in one where monsters are on earth and Tagruto woke them up[/sp] But the intercut bits with her husband on earth kind of throw that out. [editline]5th February 2018[/editline] Maybe that did happen and the movie is bad at spelling it out. [editline]5th February 2018[/editline] Maybe they should have pulled a Ron Howard and just reshot the movie so it was good i dunno
I thought it was pretty explicit that [sp] none of the movies exist in the same time/place/dimension just that the Cloverfield paradox caused shit to happen to a bunch of different dimensions and times and places across the multiverse, there's even a really bad scene where a guy on the news is literally describing the plots of the movies as things that could happen in that dimension or others as a consequence of particle accelerator shenanigans. Like there's a bunch of things that parallel 1 and 2, but that seems to be it. Cloverfield 3 blatantly takes place decades after when 1 happened too, like they say as much, cos 3 happens in like 2030 or something because it's 2 years after they went up in 2028 [/sp] Like I didn't love the movie, especially after the first half. But they seemed to have explained that well enough, if anything they too directly said it.
the guy who directed paradox: [url]http://collider.com/god-particle-cloverfield-movie-details-oren-uziel/[/url] [QUOTE]“It was written before 10 Cloverfield Lane and the expanded Cloverfield universe even existed as a thing. It was a spec that I wrote probably a year or so after Shimmer Lake, so it definitely existed as its own science-fiction. And then after years of, you know how scripts kind of hang around—people like them but for whatever reason they decided to make it and then suddenly everything fell into place with J.J. [Abrams], Bad Robot, and Paramount. I don’t know exactly when it became a Cloverfield movie, but I suspect in this current market where it’s just harder and harder to market an original movie of any kind, a science-fiction movie in particular, but I think everyone just knew if it fits—and it does—into that Cloverfield world, it should, and it can only help.”[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“We rewrote during production, but I’m not sure what it means to be part of the expanded Cloverfield universe, other than knowing what kind of quality and feel you’re gonna get from something that’s coming out of Bad Robot and J.J. It just sort of helps to give an understanding of like, ‘Okay I understand what type of movie this is gonna be.’ As far as specifics, I don’t think there is one specific thread that makes it a Cloverfield movie, I guess.”[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“I think if you can get that off the ground, which they are close, it’s very smart and also great for makers of science-fiction because it relieves you of that burden of like, ‘How are we gonna get people to get off their asses and into the movie theater to see something they’re not sure?’ It’s not a guarantee; the cast is different, we don’t know exactly what we’re getting, but if that stamp of approval of being part of the Cloverfield universe is enough, that’s a huge win. So I’m all for it. When you turn on The Twilight Zone, that’s sort of the way I think about it. I don’t know what this story is going to be, but I know it’s going to be a Twilight Zone story… It’s like an anthology for those kinds of movies, and I think if J.J., if what he’s doing is positioning himself a little bit to be the Rod Serling of J.J.-type science-fiction movies, more power to him.”[/QUOTE]
i keep thinking of this movie as cloverfield 2, and lane as 3. in my head, that's just their order. i know technically that is the case but for release purposes it isn't. regardless, that's just how my brain keeps ordering them
apparently emmet from 10 cloverfield lane [sp] might of saw the Shepard turn on[/sp] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Cloververse/comments/7vfbly/i_think_that_that_was_the_dimension_of_howard/[/url] note nasa and friends also saw the same thing from the 10 cloverfield lane ARG. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRL1LpJSbdY[/media]
So, there's been something that's been bothering me since I saw the Paradox. [sp]What the fuck happened to Voklov, exactly? His eyes went wibbly wobbly, he heard voices in his head (?), he basically 3D printed what could be a literal Chekhov's gun :v: and then exploded with worms and had the gyro inside him the whole time. Then Chris O' Dowd's hand turning into Addams Family's Thing and apparently people normalized that really quickly. All explained away as "Chaos and quantums amirite lol" [/sp] What in the fuckity fuckness is going on with [I]that[/I]? I just don't get it at all.
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53111262]So, there's been something that's been bothering me since I saw the Paradox. [sp]What the fuck happened to Voklov, exactly? His eyes went wibbly wobbly, he heard voices in his head (?), he basically 3D printed what could be a literal Chekhov's gun :v: and then exploded with worms and had the gyro inside him the whole time. Then Chris O' Dowd's hand turning into Addams Family's Thing and apparently people normalized that really quickly. All explained away as "Chaos and quantums amirite lol" [/sp] What in the fuckity fuckness is going on with [I]that[/I]? I just don't get it at all.[/QUOTE] [sp]My theory is that the two Voklov's from both dimensions merged into one.[/sp]
[QUOTE=snookypookums;53111262]So, there's been something that's been bothering me since I saw the Paradox. [sp]What the fuck happened to Voklov, exactly? His eyes went wibbly wobbly, he heard voices in his head (?), he basically 3D printed what could be a literal Chekhov's gun :v: and then exploded with worms and had the gyro inside him the whole time. Then Chris O' Dowd's hand turning into Addams Family's Thing and apparently people normalized that really quickly. All explained away as "Chaos and quantums amirite lol" [/sp] What in the fuckity fuckness is going on with [I]that[/I]? I just don't get it at all.[/QUOTE] [sp]volkov is implied to have had his alternate counterpart in his head talking to him, telling him schmidt was a german spy that sabotages the ship. dunno about the worm or gyro one except "things got displaced and replaced from where they were when they shifted dimensions"[/sp] the thing with [sp]mundy's hand wasn't ever really explained and assuming it's alternate mundy, doesn't really make sense since alternate mundy died when the satellite blew up in alternate dimension.[/sp]
[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;53111288][sp]My theory is that the two Voklov's from both dimensions merged into one.[/sp][/QUOTE] I thought of that, but then I'm kinda surprised that they didn't go down the route of [sp]Just kinda double gift-wrapping him as a human or something. Like, that is what I thought it was going for because he kept probing the orbital bones of his skull, so I figured that if they were setting up for something like that, it'd be hella cool to see that Voklov somehow overlapped himself and just got a heart coated in another heart, etc. the worms and the gyro thing was just fucking bizarre. I still don't know what happened. Also, how did none of the equipment pick it up the first time when he exploded with worms and they bodybagged him? Like, shit literally exploded out of him, wouldn't you want to check what else is inside? Why did it take a disembodied arm writing a message for you to go and check. Also, how the fuck did that thing even know to begin with? Surely other dimension Volkov wasn't into gyro enemas?[/sp] The more I think about this and [sp]Mundy's arm[/sp] the less sense it makes, unless there's something that's missing or if [sp]this is an indicator to the spirits and demons thing from WWII that Cloverfield 4 is supposed to be about.[/sp] I don't know.
take a look at the poster and notice the tagline [t]https://i.imgur.com/qMERhoE.jpg[/t] it's pretty heavyhanded in that the movie is meant to be the origin of all the weird shit that's happening in the cloververse, that [sp]the particle accelerator caused a rip in multiple dimensions and throughout time[/sp] which would explain overlord being set during ww2. [editline]6th February 2018[/editline] also fun fact, don't know if you guys caught it but in the beginning during the car scene, [sp] ava asks if michael's moved yet and he responds with, "forward or sideways?"[/sp]
my thoughts on funky body stuff happening: [sp]voklov merged with other voklov, worms got thrown around and also merged, same with gyro[/sp] [sp]mundy's arm was being controlled by the demons that overlord will deal with[/sp]
i thought he just had [sp]worms in the brain[/sp]
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