• Star Wars Megathread Episode V: The Mods Strike Back
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[QUOTE=Treznor;53191458]That's kinda the point with Kylo so far though, and I love it. Edit: also I guess killing your father is not considered an evil deed any more, as well as trying to slice your uncle in half.[/QUOTE] Kylo Ren also cut in half the main antagonist for the trilogy at that point. I agree he's a great character that struggles with the dark side, but he never embraces it. Darth Vader killed officers who he deemed incompetent, but Kylo Ren throws a hissy fit and strangles them some. One of Star Wars strengths is it's Rogue gallery of villains, and at this point of the series the only established villains left are Kylo Ren, Hux, and maybe Captain Phasma. And there's a high chance that Kylo Ren will turn back to the light side.
Captain Phasma is just TCW general grievous with less arms.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53193098]Captain Phasma is just TCW general grievous with less arms.[/QUOTE] and has no collection
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53193098]Captain Phasma is just TCW general grievous with less arms.[/QUOTE] Would have made much more sense for someone like Phasma to knock Finn into the coma as opposed to Kylo or to have Phasma [sp]wound Rose instead of that dumb shit she pulled[/sp] Really sick of the whole "heroes always win" thing thats going on. Show me some sort of damn struggle. Also [sp]Phasma loses her hand in that scene - proof that she is a Skywalker ???[/sp]
Small wishlist for episode 9 It'd be better if rose and mas died. Preferably before mas could say anything. At the same time, phasma needs some badass scene where she acts like the protagonist from an FPS game, or a great comander from some wuxia, and totally redeems/solidifies her character as a badass. I kinda wanted FN to be force sensitive, but, alas, we're at the last one. Still, I'd love a force sensitive gunman, and it'd make a great counter to phasma. Oh, and literally anyone other than JJ can direct.
[QUOTE=The Jack;53193659]Oh, and literally anyone other than JJ can direct.[/QUOTE] Rian Johnson
RJ is a good director, in the basic sense. Camera framing, angles all of that [editline]11th March 2018[/editline] [video]https://youtu.be/TdC3mGwpbKA[/video]
Well if Rian Johnson can explain why the whole move had to be undermined by Fine and Rose [sp] being arrested for parking in the wrong place [/sp] I'll change my opinion. I mean really why the fuck did that need to happen? Oh it's like that time Han Solo forgot to pay for his dry cleaning and Boba Fett managed to track him down that way.
[QUOTE=Treznor;53193692]Rian Johnson[/QUOTE] I'd rather Uwe Boll
[QUOTE=Tuskin;53193751]RJ is a good director, in the basic sense. Camera framing, angles all of that [/QUOTE] Able to utilize the most basic of filming is a pretty damn low standard. All of which means shit if the story is poorly written.
Even so, TLJ was still a great looking movie, visually.
I couldn't tell what the fuck was going on in some scenes with the amount of detailed shit going everywhere (particularly when it came to interior ship damage), and the red room with the red guards? I don't know what the dude was thinking, but the effect you would've been after here wasn't used, so... Oh, and there was the whole "they're staying out of range of our blasters" thing when the ship looked like it was right on top of them. Even the hyped up/much praised kamakazi scene failed to impress, and it was really trying. The battle of krait? Nice shots for the trailer, but terrible in the movie. Sure, there were some scenes that looked impressive. Kylo in his fighter, for instance (That's more on some stellar acting than camera work). But RJ's mediocre.
This account was tweeting highlights from RJ's TLJ commentary [url]https://twitter.com/thatsaltmouse/status/972472483197546498[/url]
[QUOTE=The Jack;53193659]It'd be better if rose and mas died. Preferably before mas could say anything.[/QUOTE] If that were to happen, then [sp]we wouldn't find out how Mas found Luke's former lightsaber[/sp].
[QUOTE=Skerion;53194249]If that were to happen, then [sp]we wouldn't find out how Mas found Luke's former lightsaber[/sp].[/QUOTE] Oh, as if we'll ever learn that in the movie. At best we get that in a book in 5 years or something. I so desperately wish they would just allude to stuff like this in the movies. Broken record: [sp]Who was Snoke? Who is Rey? Who is Maz? Who are the Knights of Ren? etc.[/sp]
[QUOTE=The Jack;53189275]Well, I'm still annoyed they got JJ for the first film and didn't seem to have an idea for an overarching plot RJ's film felt like an undo button being hit repeatedly.[/QUOTE] I was talking to my friend about TLJ today, and I thought about something: [sp]considering all the things that were completely discarded, why the FUCK would you bring Phasma back for no reason?[/sp] I mean that character seemed to be gone and had nothing to do in the movie anyway. An absolutely mind boggling decision in my opinion.
Phasma is like a door to door Mormon, she’s just here to sell her book.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53194275]I was talking to my friend about TLJ today, and I thought about something: [sp]considering all the things that were completely discarded, why the FUCK would you bring Phasma back for no reason?[/sp] I mean that character seemed to be gone and had nothing to do in the movie anyway. An absolutely mind boggling decision in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Because she's Boba Fett 2.0. Boba's death in Return of the Jedi was pretty anti-climatic too, but nobody complained, because merchandise and "the EU said he survived and went on to do 1000 awesome things!" Expect Phasma to survive off-camera again and appear in books and comics for the next two decades, regardless of whether or not JJ uses her in the final movie.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53193882]Even so, TLJ was still a great looking movie, visually.[/QUOTE]The VFX were on par with Rogue One in some areas [sp]The alien horses looked like as real as Tarkin's face [/sp] and on par with Rogue One in other areas [sp]The space ships and sets looked good, but not always[/sp] the visual effects were ... ok, but nothing ground breaking.
[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53194863]Because she's Boba Fett 2.0. Boba's death in Return of the Jedi was pretty anti-climatic too, but nobody complained, because merchandise and "the EU said he survived and went on to do 1000 awesome things!" Expect Phasma to survive off-camera again and appear in books and comics for the next two decades, regardless of whether or not JJ uses her in the final movie.[/QUOTE] Yeah but Boba Fett didn't (presumably) die in ESB and RoTJ doesn't throw away most of what happened in the movie just before it. And why would you complain that Boba Fett died in RoTJ anyway? He's a completely expendable character in the movies. Phasma is also completely expendable... to a higher degree than Boba Fett to be honest. In general the character makes no sense at all.
It's the tonal shift. Bobba goes from cool'n collected professional that gets the job done to a Wilhelm scream death . (or teir-death, if he didn't actually make the Wilhelm, i can't remember)
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;53195623]The VFX were on par with Rogue One in some areas [sp]The alien horses looked like as real as Tarkin's face [/sp] and on par with Rogue One in other areas [sp]The space ships and sets looked good, but not always[/sp] the visual effects were ... ok, but nothing ground breaking.[/QUOTE] I'm talking cinematography.
[QUOTE=The Jack;53196123]It's the tonal shift. Bobba goes from cool'n collected professional that gets the job done to a Wilhelm scream death . (or teir-death, if he didn't actually make the Wilhelm, i can't remember)[/QUOTE] Pretty sure he did at least in the remasters, can't remember for sure in the original cut.
It wasn't the wilhelm scream in the remasters.
Well then I guess I'm just misremembering shit, disregard.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53196138]I'm talking cinematography.[/QUOTE]Oh I thought by visually you meant visual effects. The movie was mostly visual effects though.
[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53194863]Because she's Boba Fett 2.0. Boba's death in Return of the Jedi was pretty anti-climatic too, but nobody complained, because merchandise and "the EU said he survived and went on to do 1000 awesome things!" Expect Phasma to survive off-camera again and appear in books and comics for the next two decades, regardless of whether or not JJ uses her in the final movie.[/QUOTE] She isn't Boba 2.0 contrary to what people say, she might seem that way just based on the movies, but if you look into the supplemental writing for her you find she's actually central to both Hux and Finn's character arcs. Her willingness to back stab and psychopathic tendencies is what got Hux in power, and if she hadn't done that conflict bubbling under the surface between hux and Kylo (which will probably be a big plot point of the final movie) wouldn't be a thing. Her targeted abuse about towards Finn is what helped push him over the edge, why that's important goes without saying. Of course though most people don't know this stuff and just see her as Boba Fett 2.0, because instead of actually building on the competent writing of a established central character thats key to the plot, Rian just said "You know we could do that... Or I could waste 11% of the movie's run time and force actually important characters like Phasma and Snoke to run on fumes so we can introduce a pointless badly written character and throw a massive wrench into the pacing of the movie!"
You might be talking about the dude they met in the casino, but this here rage is about rose; Seriously who thought Rose would be a good idea? Rey was a good idea. The execution's not perfect, but Rey was a good idea. Rose was never a good idea. Aside from Tazing FN, she was only a detriment to the story. I can't rationalise it beyond "she was shit on purpose because a producer hates a certain type of people" She was just an awful character who was dumb, said dumb things and looked dumb doing so, and fucked over FN's character progression; selfish dude wanting a way out to a man willing to die for others, fucked over by a moronic act of sabotage.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53197502]She isn't Boba 2.0 contrary to what people say, she might seem that way just based on the movies, but if you look into the supplemental writing for her you find she's actually central to both Hux and Finn's character arcs. Her willingness to back stab and psychopathic tendencies is what got Hux in power, and if she hadn't done that conflict bubbling under the surface between hux and Kylo (which will probably be a big plot point of the final movie) wouldn't be a thing. Her targeted abuse about towards Finn is what helped push him over the edge, why that's important goes without saying. Of course though most people don't know this stuff and just see her as Boba Fett 2.0, because instead of actually building on the competent writing of a established central character thats key to the plot, Rian just said "You know we could do that... Or I could waste 11% of the movie's run time and force actually important characters like Phasma and Snoke to run on fumes so we can introduce a pointless badly written character and throw a massive wrench into the pacing of the movie!"[/QUOTE] Phasma really isn't important to the movies, though. Maybe the supplemental writing makes her that, but even in TFA she could've been written out in 5 minutes.
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