• Star Wars Megathread Episode V: The Mods Strike Back
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You know something went wrong when Episode 1 and 2 has a time gap of 10 years and a new main character and villain but still at least feels connected somehow, while TFA and TLJ has 5 minutes of time gap, all the same characters but feels like different fucking franchises.
I think it's more likely to be near a month or more. The prequels had a great strength in that, while the execution was absolutely shite, the overarching plot (Civil war, Anakin becoming vader, palpatines ascension, jedi getting fucked) were all... great, if very much mared by execution. The clone wars cartoon was great and I'll forgive the prequels for giving us that and so much more to the universe. Now, with the modern films, it'll be easier if I just described what characters i liked. TFA Enjoyed: FN2187 Disliked: Han&chewey (they felt shoehorned in) , snoke, kylo, Hated: Mas Mixed: Rey. BB8 (if I've not listed someone then they were probably [I]fine[/I]) TLJ Enjoyed: Kylo appreciated if a bit muddled: FN2187, Rey, Luke Disliked: that dude from the casino. Hated: Snoke, Poe, Rose, BB8, those kids. Strongly mixed- Hux. Dude had some of the best and worst. Actor did great with a shit script. Special place in hell: Mas. Just fuck the character to death with indescribable torments. Most characters just went downhill, some rolled in it, and that half of the mountain was a shitpile. If your film makes most of your characters [I]worse[/I] then should you really be making it?
[QUOTE=The Jack;53189275]Well, I'm still annoyed they got JJ for the first film and didn't seem to have an idea for an overarching plot RJ's film felt like an undo button being hit repeatedly.[/QUOTE] They didnt have a plot. JJ wrote up a rough script for episode 9 and Rian just threw it all out.
they had a rough story planned out for at least the first two movies before JJ came on. And before Disney bought LucasFilm, George was writing a story, but mostly to sweeten the deal. They did use some of his ideas though.
I think one of the main problems of the Star Wars sequels is the lack of any memorable villians. In the OT, you had Darth Vader, Jabba the Hutt, and the Emperor. Even in the prequels they managed to create very iconic villains, and even the weaker villains had interesting backstories. In the sequels imo they villains are very bland. Snoke had the chance to be an interesting character, but he was criminally underused. Kylo Ren is a very interesting character, but you never really see him do evil deeds.
[QUOTE=Gnorm57;53191048]I think one of the main problems of the Star Wars sequels is the lack of any memorable villians. In the OT, you had Darth Vader, Jabba the Hutt, and the Emperor. Even in the prequels they managed to create very iconic villains, and even the weaker villains had interesting backstories. In the sequels imo they villains are very bland. Snoke had the chance to be an interesting character, but he was criminally underused. Kylo Ren is a very interesting character, but you never really see him do evil deeds.[/QUOTE] That's kinda the point with Kylo so far though, and I love it. Edit: also I guess killing your father is not considered an evil deed any more, as well as trying to slice your uncle in half.
Kylo was the best part of TLJ But he's kinda marred because I thought he sucked in T[I]FA[/I] big time. Stopping the blaster shot in mid air, killing [sp]han[/sp] in a supremely predictable, dumb scene. Losing to rey in force contests... Even the little joke about his temper tantrums undermines him as a villain. The only problem with his character in TLJ was that he was subservient to snoke, who was comically inept. But he's tarnished by how he was in the last film. With JJ directing episode 9 (IIRC) I don't think he'll have the chance to keep out of the gutter.
[QUOTE=The Jack;53191685]But he's kinda marred because I thought he sucked in [B]TLJ[/B] big time. Stopping the blaster shot in mid air, killing...[/QUOTE]you mean TFA?
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53188550]TBH the way Rian Johnson always goes "the movie was so packed" when the canto bright/rose arc took up 11% of the movies screen time really makes me scratch my head, and suspect that "it's so packed" is just a cover for "I mismanaged my resources."[/QUOTE] "It's so dense, there's so much going on"
[video]https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/972572193786744832[/video]
[QUOTE=Treznor;53191458]That's kinda the point with Kylo so far though, and I love it. Edit: also I guess killing your father is not considered an evil deed any more, as well as trying to slice your uncle in half.[/QUOTE] Kylo Ren also cut in half the main antagonist for the trilogy at that point. I agree he's a great character that struggles with the dark side, but he never embraces it. Darth Vader killed officers who he deemed incompetent, but Kylo Ren throws a hissy fit and strangles them some. One of Star Wars strengths is it's Rogue gallery of villains, and at this point of the series the only established villains left are Kylo Ren, Hux, and maybe Captain Phasma. And there's a high chance that Kylo Ren will turn back to the light side.
Captain Phasma is just TCW general grievous with less arms.
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53193098]Captain Phasma is just TCW general grievous with less arms.[/QUOTE] and has no collection
[QUOTE=Vodkavia;53193098]Captain Phasma is just TCW general grievous with less arms.[/QUOTE] Would have made much more sense for someone like Phasma to knock Finn into the coma as opposed to Kylo or to have Phasma [sp]wound Rose instead of that dumb shit she pulled[/sp] Really sick of the whole "heroes always win" thing thats going on. Show me some sort of damn struggle. Also [sp]Phasma loses her hand in that scene - proof that she is a Skywalker ???[/sp]
Small wishlist for episode 9 It'd be better if rose and mas died. Preferably before mas could say anything. At the same time, phasma needs some badass scene where she acts like the protagonist from an FPS game, or a great comander from some wuxia, and totally redeems/solidifies her character as a badass. I kinda wanted FN to be force sensitive, but, alas, we're at the last one. Still, I'd love a force sensitive gunman, and it'd make a great counter to phasma. Oh, and literally anyone other than JJ can direct.
[QUOTE=The Jack;53193659]Oh, and literally anyone other than JJ can direct.[/QUOTE] Rian Johnson
RJ is a good director, in the basic sense. Camera framing, angles all of that [editline]11th March 2018[/editline] [video]https://youtu.be/TdC3mGwpbKA[/video]
Well if Rian Johnson can explain why the whole move had to be undermined by Fine and Rose [sp] being arrested for parking in the wrong place [/sp] I'll change my opinion. I mean really why the fuck did that need to happen? Oh it's like that time Han Solo forgot to pay for his dry cleaning and Boba Fett managed to track him down that way.
[QUOTE=Treznor;53193692]Rian Johnson[/QUOTE] I'd rather Uwe Boll
[QUOTE=Tuskin;53193751]RJ is a good director, in the basic sense. Camera framing, angles all of that [/QUOTE] Able to utilize the most basic of filming is a pretty damn low standard. All of which means shit if the story is poorly written.
Even so, TLJ was still a great looking movie, visually.
I couldn't tell what the fuck was going on in some scenes with the amount of detailed shit going everywhere (particularly when it came to interior ship damage), and the red room with the red guards? I don't know what the dude was thinking, but the effect you would've been after here wasn't used, so... Oh, and there was the whole "they're staying out of range of our blasters" thing when the ship looked like it was right on top of them. Even the hyped up/much praised kamakazi scene failed to impress, and it was really trying. The battle of krait? Nice shots for the trailer, but terrible in the movie. Sure, there were some scenes that looked impressive. Kylo in his fighter, for instance (That's more on some stellar acting than camera work). But RJ's mediocre.
This account was tweeting highlights from RJ's TLJ commentary [url]https://twitter.com/thatsaltmouse/status/972472483197546498[/url]
[QUOTE=The Jack;53193659]It'd be better if rose and mas died. Preferably before mas could say anything.[/QUOTE] If that were to happen, then [sp]we wouldn't find out how Mas found Luke's former lightsaber[/sp].
[QUOTE=Skerion;53194249]If that were to happen, then [sp]we wouldn't find out how Mas found Luke's former lightsaber[/sp].[/QUOTE] Oh, as if we'll ever learn that in the movie. At best we get that in a book in 5 years or something. I so desperately wish they would just allude to stuff like this in the movies. Broken record: [sp]Who was Snoke? Who is Rey? Who is Maz? Who are the Knights of Ren? etc.[/sp]
[QUOTE=The Jack;53189275]Well, I'm still annoyed they got JJ for the first film and didn't seem to have an idea for an overarching plot RJ's film felt like an undo button being hit repeatedly.[/QUOTE] I was talking to my friend about TLJ today, and I thought about something: [sp]considering all the things that were completely discarded, why the FUCK would you bring Phasma back for no reason?[/sp] I mean that character seemed to be gone and had nothing to do in the movie anyway. An absolutely mind boggling decision in my opinion.
Phasma is like a door to door Mormon, she’s just here to sell her book.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;53194275]I was talking to my friend about TLJ today, and I thought about something: [sp]considering all the things that were completely discarded, why the FUCK would you bring Phasma back for no reason?[/sp] I mean that character seemed to be gone and had nothing to do in the movie anyway. An absolutely mind boggling decision in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Because she's Boba Fett 2.0. Boba's death in Return of the Jedi was pretty anti-climatic too, but nobody complained, because merchandise and "the EU said he survived and went on to do 1000 awesome things!" Expect Phasma to survive off-camera again and appear in books and comics for the next two decades, regardless of whether or not JJ uses her in the final movie.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;53193882]Even so, TLJ was still a great looking movie, visually.[/QUOTE]The VFX were on par with Rogue One in some areas [sp]The alien horses looked like as real as Tarkin's face [/sp] and on par with Rogue One in other areas [sp]The space ships and sets looked good, but not always[/sp] the visual effects were ... ok, but nothing ground breaking.
[QUOTE=CyclonatorZ;53194863]Because she's Boba Fett 2.0. Boba's death in Return of the Jedi was pretty anti-climatic too, but nobody complained, because merchandise and "the EU said he survived and went on to do 1000 awesome things!" Expect Phasma to survive off-camera again and appear in books and comics for the next two decades, regardless of whether or not JJ uses her in the final movie.[/QUOTE] Yeah but Boba Fett didn't (presumably) die in ESB and RoTJ doesn't throw away most of what happened in the movie just before it. And why would you complain that Boba Fett died in RoTJ anyway? He's a completely expendable character in the movies. Phasma is also completely expendable... to a higher degree than Boba Fett to be honest. In general the character makes no sense at all.
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