• Half-Life & Portal: The Unified Theory V2
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Read it here: [url]http://www.valvetime.net/threads/half-life-portal-the-unified-theory.174551/[/url]
-edit on second thought my point I made here is incorrect-
This is a very neat idea, I can't wait to see more.
very well thought up!
Very well written, but one thing that's bugging me [quote]Eli Vance and Isaac Kleiner begin to develop more functional local transportation that the Combines hasn't mastered yet[/quote] Didn't the Combine have a teleporter similar to the one Eli/Kleiner developed in Nova Prospekt?
[QUOTE=wari65;35945175]Very well written, but one thing that's bugging me Didn't the Combine have a teleporter similar to the one Eli/Kleiner developed in Nova Prospekt?[/QUOTE] Judith built that... with combine resources...
[QUOTE=wari65;35945175] Didn't the Combine have a teleporter similar to the one Eli/Kleiner developed in Nova Prospekt?[/QUOTE] They did but I think it was less functional, let me show you the quotes from Half-Life 2 [QUOTE]We're closing in on a reliable local teleport technology, something the Combine still hasn't mastered. Eli thinks their models are string-based, similar to our Calabi-Yau model, but they fail to factor in the dark energy equations. They can tunnel through from their universe, but once they're here, they're dependent on local transportation[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]we figured out how to use Xen as an unexpressed axis, effectively a dimensional slingshot so we can swing around the borderworld and come back to local space without having to pass through[/QUOTE]
i thought eli was eliminated as a repayment to keep alyx alive i think he even said that in ep2
Excellent work. I love the bullet point system keeping the timeline concise and easy to read. This cleared up quite a few things for me as far as the half life storyline is concerned.
So what is Eli's relation with the Gman? Gman gave him the crystal, and he knows Gman saved Alyx from BM. It seems like there's something deeper.
[QUOTE=The Vman;35962093]So what is Eli's relation with the Gman? Gman gave him the crystal, and he knows Gman saved Alyx from BM. It seems like there's something deeper.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it because Eli was going to tell Gordon about the Gman?
i guess it was a dog not a cat after all
Black Mesa opening portals in the sixties is some heavy speculation, considering it hasn't even been hinted at. Also, in Half-Life, they only say that "something" is keeping the dimensional rift open, indicating that they don't know about the Nihilanths existence. [editline]15th May 2012[/editline] And technically, the the idea of multiple universes was present since Half-Life 2, since the Combine are from from another universe. I also think it's obvious that the Multiverse introduced in the Perpetual Testing Initiative DLC isn't canon. Just listening to the things Cave says confirms this, such as Black Mesa being bought, and generally just the fact that they then supposedly fund themselves with money stolen from themselves in other universes should be indicative enough.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35968300] I also think it's obvious that the Multiverse introduced in the Perpetual Testing Initiative DLC isn't canon. Just listening to the things Cave says confirms this, such as Black Mesa being bought, [/QUOTE] But when you go through tests, its evident that youre travelling through different universes. the 'black mesa being bought' universe obviously isnt the orginal one.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35968300]Black Mesa opening portals in the sixties is some heavy speculation, considering it hasn't even been hinted at.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that Black Mesa opened portals in the sixties, in theory during that period they only used XEN teleportation to get in there, I think it's possible if they could do that in the sixties, later they discovered portal technology and spent years to develop it, besides it's just a theory. Btw XEN teleportation and portals are different things, don't be confused. Anyway, thank you for that comment, I just realized that people may misunderstand that subchapter, I will fix it. [QUOTE]Also, in Half-Life, they only say that "something" is keeping the dimensional rift open, indicating that they don't know about the Nihilanths existence.[/QUOTE] Yes you're right, but according my theory not all scientists knew about the rest of the Black Mesa activities. So let me show you the quote taken from Half-Life: [QUOTE]This is the supply depot for our first survey team. Quite a few handsome specimens were collected from the borderworld and brought back this way—uhh, before the survey members started being collected themselves, that is. [B]We suspect there is an immense portal over there, created by the intense concentration of a single powerful being.[/B] You will know it when you see it. I hate to say this, Gordon, but you must kill it, if you can. [/QUOTE] During the Resonance Cascade they started to suspect what is really going on. BUT, if you remember in "Questionable Ethics" part, there is a secret part of Black Mesa facility, Biodome Complex, where scientists already collected many specimens from XEN. ALSO, when Gordon went to XEN you could find a lot of dead members, even in Nihilanth's chamber. SO, what I did is just [U]combined all these facts and interpreted to write that theory[/U]. [U]You shouldn't take something out of context and criticize that[/U], every subchapters, sentences in that theory are interrelated. [QUOTE]And technically, the the idea of multiple universes was present since Half-Life 2, since the Combine are from from another universe. I also think it's obvious that the Multiverse introduced in the Perpetual Testing Initiative DLC isn't canon. Just listening to the things Cave says confirms this, such as Black Mesa being bought, and generally just the fact that they then supposedly fund themselves with money stolen from themselves in other universes should be indicative enough.[/QUOTE] First, here is Cave Johnson's quote, taken from the video trailer Perpetual Initiative Testing: "Allow me introduce the Multiverse. Inifinite Earths with an infinite number of Apertures." Also there is an audio file where he mentions that: You're the first man sent to a Parallel Universe. Second, the Combines are not from Parallel Universe, they are from another world/dimension. Do you see the difference ? Third, it's a canon , here is the quote from Portal 2: [QUOTE]"Alright, this next test may involve trace amounts of time travel. So, word of advice: [U]If you meet yourself on the testing track, don't make eye contact[/U].[/QUOTE] But we already know that Cave Johnson always was mistaken about time travel, he was excited. You could meet yourself from a parallel universe where the time goes decades forward. The idea of multiverse can explain a lot of things, such as the ending of Portal 2. [IMG]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkdeowigVj1qcjcg4o1_500.jpg[/IMG]
I don't think Black Mesa was operational during the 60s. I mean, isn't Black Mesa built in a Cold War bunker?
[QUOTE=Rowtree;35975063]I don't think Black Mesa was operational during the 60s. I mean, isn't Black Mesa built in a Cold War bunker?[/QUOTE] Black Mesa research facilities were apparently bought in the fifties (As it is stated in [url]http://half-life.wikia.com[/url], there are several Half-Life texture files names contain the word "fifties", suggesting the facility is as old as from the 1950s, meaning Black Mesa was around before the fifties). It is also possible Black Mesa existed in the 1940s, as evidenced by Aperture Science ranking second among scientific companies in 1949. But don't take it seriously ok ? it's just a speculations. I always consider the facts so I don't write any speculations from nothing/scratch.
[QUOTE=Caste;35974827]I didn't say that Black Mesa opened portals in the sixties, in theory during that period they only used XEN teleportation to get in there, I think it's possible if they could do that in the sixties, later they discovered portal technology and spent years to develop it, besides it's just a theory. Btw XEN teleportation and portals are different, don't be confused. Anyway, thank you for that comment, I just realized that people can misunderstood that subchpater, I will fix it. During the Resonance Cascade they started to suspect what is really going on. BUT, if you remember in "Questionable Ethics" part, there is a secret part of Black Mesa facility, Biodome Complex, where scientists already collected many specimens from XEN. ALSO, when Gordon went to XEN you could find a lot of dead members, even in Nihilanth's chamber. [/quote] I don't think there's a difference between opening a portal to Xen and opening a portal to somewhere else. It's the still portal technology. It's just that Black Mesa was required to use Xen before being able to establish a link with another portal in their own dimension. And I remember that they had been studying Xen for a while, but the 1960's was a long time ago, and again there isn't really any indication for it. And since the people in Nihilanths' chamber are dead I think it's safe to say that they never got to relay that information to the people back at Black Mesa. [QUOTE=Caste;35974827]First of all, the Combines are not from Parallel Universe, they are from another world/dimension. Do you see the difference ?[/quote] This quote from HL2 (and further up this page) says otherwise: "We're closing in on a reliable local teleport technology, something the Combine still hasn't mastered. Eli thinks their models are string-based, similar to our Calabi-Yau model, but they fail to factor in the dark energy equations. They can tunnel through from their universe, but once they're here, they're dependent on local transportation" [QUOTE=Caste;35974827]second, the multiverse or an infinite numbers of parallel universes that was introduced is a canon. Here is the quote from Portal 2: But we already know that Cave Johnson always was mistaken about time travel, he was excited. You could meet yourself from a parallel universe where the time goes decades forward. The idea of multiverse can explain a lot of things, such as the ending of Portal 2.[/QUOTE] Personally I take everything from Portal 2 with a grain of salt, [i]especially[/i] the multiverse introduced in the DLC. It's science comedy and not science fiction and makes a unified theory really difficult IMO. If Aperture was able to secure funding by stealing from themselves it opens up a lot of plot holes. Why didn't they buy Black Mesa? Why didn't they go to a dimension where they invented the ASPHD earlier, had a cure for Cave, etc. I think it's important to make a distinction between humor and plot, because those two aren't the same in my book. That's not to say I don't like your theory, though, I just disagree with some of your points. Also, just for something new, I'm pretty confident that Borealis' drydock in Portal 2 is just an easter egg. Partly because it's so far underground, and because in Episode Two it has the new Aperture Logo on its cargo. Plus the fact that it's shown sailing around outside.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35975607]I don't think there's a difference between opening a portal to Xen and opening a portal to somewhere else. It's the still portal technology. It's just that Black Mesa was required to use Xen before being able to establish a link with another portal in their own dimension. And I remember that they had been studying Xen for a while, but the 1960's was a long time ago, and again there isn't really any indication for it. And since the people in Nihilanths' chamber are dead I think it's safe to say that they never got to relay that information to the people back at Black Mesa.[/QUOTE] Ok let me explain you, and then you will see if I wrong or not. When I said "XEN teleportation" as I understood it means there is a teleporter that uses XEN and crystal as a source of energy to be transported to another place. And if you remember people or any other objects before they moved they just vanish from one teleporter and then materialized in another place/teleporter. As for Portals, they have absolutely different principle of operation, the object just moves from one place to another through the portal, moreover the object doesn't disappear it is just moving. So that's why I wrote black mesa used xen teleportation before and then they developed portals as a different kind of transportation. [QUOTE]Personally I take everything from Portal 2 with a grain of salt, especially the multiverse introduced in the DLC.[/QUOTE] Here is the fact: since 1971 - 70's period Aperture is bankrupt. Question: How do you explain that Aperture still continues to build new test chambers, pump stations and that, where did they get resources and money ?
[QUOTE=Caste;35975871]Ok let me explain you, and then you will see if I wrong or not. When I said "XEN teleportation" as I understood it means there is a teleporter that uses XEN and crystal as a source of energy to be transported to another place. And if you remember people or any other objects before they moved they just vanish from one teleporter and then materialized in another place/teleporter. As for Portals, they have absolutely different principle of operation, the object just moves from one place to another through the portal, moreover the object doesn't disappear it is just moving. So that's why I wrote black mesa used xen teleportation before and then they developed portals as a different kind of transportation.[/QUOTE] Well the teleporters in Black Mesa do not use Xen crystals as an energy source. The Lambda Complex requires massive amounts of energy, and the teleporter itself is huge. The Lambda Core Reactor spans multiple floors plus the enormous coolant sector they need to keep the thing from overheating. That's how the whole shebang started to begin with, because they wanted to analyze the properties of the crystals as a potential energy source. [QUOTE=Caste;35975871]Here is the fact: since 1971 - 70's period Aperture is bankrupt. Question: How do you explain that Aperture still continues to build new test chambers, pump stations and that, where did they get resources and money ?[/QUOTE] The whole point of the Borealis was that it was a desperate attempt from Aperture to secure more funding, but Portal 2 changed a lot of dates around and generally messed with the timeline so I wouldn't be able to explain it beyond the little amount of money they received from the department of defense. The multiverse would give them infinite possibilities to do everything they ever wanted and the rest of the plot doesn't make much sense as a consequence.
i think portal and half lives are relatzd because there is aperature s cience in half 2 episode 2.
To Chrille: ok, you think different about all this information. You know what, Gearbox developed Opposing Force as an expansion, it doesn't ruin the Half-Life storyline, so why I can't write something as an expansion that won't ruin the Half-Life storyline. Anyway If you have any suggestions how to improve some parts of theory just tell me. There's nothing that could prevent me from changing the dates from the sixties to the seventies in 3.1 subchapter, just don't forget that there are speculations and fan-fiction elements, based on the facts though. edit: does relay device in XEN use crystals ?
[QUOTE=Caste;35977011]To Chrille: ok, you think different about all this information. You know what, Gearbox developed Opposing Force as an expansion, it doesn't ruin the Half-Life storyline, so why I can't write something as an expansion that won't ruin the Half-Life storyline. Anyway If you have any suggestions how to improve some parts of theory just tell me. There's nothing that could prevent me from changing the dates from the sixties to the seventies in 3.1 subchapter, just don't forget that there are speculations and fan-fiction elements, based on the facts though. edit: does relay device in XEN use crystals ?[/QUOTE] I think the thing Barney helped set up had something to do with the relay setup. It pretty prominently uses a crystal. [T]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100206122230/half-life/en/images/thumb/5/58/Ba_xen50009.jpg/830px-Ba_xen50009.jpg[/T]
[QUOTE=Rowtree;35975063]I don't think Black Mesa was operational during the 60s. I mean, isn't Black Mesa built in a Cold War bunker?[/QUOTE] Black mesa was built in some kind of old missile base/military complex, but it is never explicitly stated that it was from the Cold-War era. [editline]16th May 2012[/editline] I'd also mention the age of components in the old lab from Blue Shift, but I'm not sure how cannon we're letting the gearbox expansions be? [editline]16th May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Moupi;35976506]i think portal and half lives are relatzd because there is aperature s cience in half 2 episode 2.[/QUOTE] i thinkp lost and half lif are relate bycase i saw a dhamra logo w/ whit forst logo in it
I think it's dumb in a way that the Portal-universe was just basically pushed into the Half-life universe much later on.
Well the Borealis was meant to be used before, they just made the company Aperture.
[QUOTE=Chrille;35975607]Personally I take everything from Portal 2 with a grain of salt, especially the multiverse introduced in the DLC. It's science comedy and not science fiction and makes a unified theory really difficult IMO. If Aperture was able to secure funding by stealing from themselves it opens up a lot of plot holes. Why didn't they buy Black Mesa? Why didn't they go to a dimension where they invented the ASPHD earlier, had a cure for Cave, etc. I think it's important to make a distinction between humor and plot, because those two aren't the same in my book. That's not to say I don't like your theory, though, I just disagree with some of your points. Also, just for something new, I'm pretty confident that Borealis' drydock in Portal 2 is just an easter egg. Partly because it's so far underground, and because in Episode Two it has the new Aperture Logo on its cargo. Plus the fact that it's shown sailing around outside.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that the logo will be retconned. Valve changes things all the time, if something more recent contradicts something, than the latest thing is how it actually is. Those pictures of it floating were not ingame either, just in the files. At the time of making EP2, that was correct - now with Portal 2 it isn't. The multiverse is canon. The point of the multiverse was to steal test chambers. How would going to a dimension where they invented the ASHPD earlier help, if they already had one? It's not like they choose where to go to. It seems like at the time of Aperture using the Multiverse Cave wasn't dying, and it was before they had GlaDOS. It also seems like Aperture was a failure in quite a large amount of the other universes.
I personally like to think that they, in the budget crisis, reused old areas and free testing chambers. So maybe the Borealis wasn't actually from that time period, but was stored and held there?
[QUOTE=Chrille;35975607] Personally I take everything from Portal 2 with a grain of salt, [i]especially[/i] the multiverse introduced in the DLC. It's science comedy and not science fiction and makes a unified theory really difficult IMO. If Aperture was able to secure funding by stealing from themselves it opens up a lot of plot holes. Why didn't they buy Black Mesa? Why didn't they go to a dimension where they invented the ASPHD earlier, had a cure for Cave, etc. I think it's important to make a distinction between humor and plot, because those two aren't the same in my book. That's not to say I don't like your theory, though, I just disagree with some of your points. [/QUOTE] Just gonna point out that it's an INFINITE number of universes. AKA they DID get a cure for cave, they DID buy Black Mesa, just not in the original universe. As with most valve things, it's canon until confirmed otherwise. [editline]22nd May 2012[/editline] "Therefore, the general consensus will consider the Gearbox expansions canon (even though still ambiguous) unless Valve chooses to specifically contradict some of all the events depicted, in which case Valve has the hypothetical 'right of way' (much like George Lucas and the Star Wars’ Expanded Universe), the story being still written as of today (2010) and retcons having been made since the first game's release." quoted from [url]http://half-life.wikia.com/wiki/Gearbox_Software[/url] so yeah, Opposing Force and Blue Shift are Canon
I'm just wondering OP: > What is your speculation as to how the Vortigaunt's were able to interfere with G-Man? > What exactly is stasis? > What do you mean by the multiverse idea explaining the ending of Portal 2? > What do you think was the whole thing with "Prepare for Unforeseen Consequences"? My understanding is that Eli Vance is hinting that G-Man/the Employers are attempting to trick or deceive Gordon Freeman/the combine, similair to how he tricked Black Mesa by suggesting they use the crystal. The crystal of course had a resonant state with Xen allowing them to tunnel through to earth, essentially meaning G-man could kill two birds with one stone (Destroy Xen and BM) whilst also cunningly getting indirect assistance from Xen lifeforms as they rampaged through Black Mesa. Therefore my guess is he plans on doing something very similair with the Boeralis, i.e offer gordon something he can't refuse and then trick him. >Why do the Employers care about portal/teleportation technology so much? I understand they want a monopoly I just don't understand why. Also if they're so advanced with their technology isn't it plausible that they could merely destroy both the combine and earthlings essentially entirely preventing any issue of them interfering any further. >Any idea why Alyx Vance was saved? My only idea is that the Employers can foresee future events, and therefore understand that somehow keeping Alyx Vance alive makes their plan successful. Though that theory leaves me wondering why they wouldn't just use the technology to foresee every event and merely perform/prevent whatever event they desire themselves. >Why is Gordon Freeman important? The Vortigaunt's treat him like a god, like he has some significant power, sure his combat prowess when you play as him is pretty darn significant but he seems to be insignificant in consideration of the teleportation technology. I know he's a physicist, but he doesn't seem to play any role in the development of the technology the Employers seem to care about. His only use in HL2 was as a mercenary contracted to unkowningly kill Breen. I guess my question is why Freeman?
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