• Running Out of Mana Like a Motherfucker. What Happened?
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I'm a holy paladin healer. I don't know if I'm not stacking enough intellect or what, but it seems like ever since 84, I've been running out of mana if I've been healing enough to keep tanks afloat. I've been using the holy power spells and cooldowns, but it seems like it's always right on edge. Is there something wrong that I'm doing?
Intellect only gives you a bigger mana pool, which is nice, but it's spirit you'll want if you wanna last longer in longer fights. Spirit gives you Mp5.
Yeah, the mana costs jump up around 84/85 to fit to the Cataclysm healer model, Spirit is now a mana regen stat, you should be carefully monitoring the mana cost of spells and what you're casting
[QUOTE=kenji;27738684]Yeah, the mana costs jump up around 84/85 to fit to the Cataclysm healer model, Spirit is now a mana regen stat, you should be carefully monitoring the mana cost of spells and what you're casting[/QUOTE] It always was a mana regen stat. v:v:v
A good thing to remember about healing is that you're still doing your job if somebody is alive. It's okay to be down towards 10% or 20%, just know when the damage is coming. Think of overhealing as a waste of mana. If you heal a tank for 12000 but he's only missing 2400, you're only using 20% of the mana cost you used to get that heal out. Get a little bit more spirit, and learn to feel around the damage mechanics of boss fights.
Blizzard decided to make healers have to watch their mana. This weeds out the baddies from the people who know what they're doing.
lol you're running out of mana as a holy pally try playing a priest scrub
[QUOTE=KingLouis;27741802]A good thing to remember about healing is that you're still doing your job if somebody is alive. It's okay to be down towards 10% or 20%, just know when the damage is coming. Think of overhealing as a waste of mana. If you heal a tank for 12000 but he's only missing 2400, you're only using 20% of the mana cost you used to get that heal out. Get a little bit more spirit, and learn to feel around the damage mechanics of boss fights.[/QUOTE] Yeah, people were yelling at me, and I was trying to explain why I couldn't keep everyone at 100% at all times. I get comments like "im sorry but i shouldn be clenching my buttcheeks on a normal," and other stuff like that. Blizzard has made being a healer a socially awkward experience.
Being a healer was always socially awkward. You get blamed for everything. Except for aggro.
[QUOTE=JerryK;27743682]lol you're running out of mana as a holy pally try playing a priest scrub[/QUOTE] don't get your panties in a twist just because blizz hates priests
seriously though, read the holy pally thread on elitistjerks, learn more about the changes and learn which spells to use when so you can heal effectively
[QUOTE=Eluveitie;27744857]Being a healer was always socially awkward. You get blamed for everything. Except for aggro.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. The only few times I've had trouble healing a tank and people have said it's his fault is usually when I have more HP than he does.
[QUOTE=spanaren;27738760]It always was a mana regen stat. v:v:v[/QUOTE] But it was horrible for holy paladins in Wrath.
i ran out of mana pretty fast healing my dungeons while leveling +80 and the first heroics im a druid though so i utilized all my cc's and thing and basically drank only before each boss
[QUOTE=spanaren;27738760]It always was a mana regen stat. v:v:v[/QUOTE] it was a health regen stat for tanks very first v:v:v
[QUOTE=kenji;27777718]it was a health regen stat for tanks very first v:v:v[/QUOTE] yeah right
and intellect also used to make you skill-up your weapons faster
[QUOTE=Wayword;27782015]and intellect also used to make you skill-up your weapons faster[/QUOTE] I stacked the shit out of Intel when I was leveling my rogue. Top DPS every time.
first then i did when making an alt was run to the nearest city, get some money from my main, then buy all the weapon trainings for my class
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27775440]i ran out of mana pretty fast healing my dungeons while leveling +80 and the first heroics im a druid though so i utilized all my cc's and thing and basically drank only before each boss[/QUOTE] all your "cc's"? do you even know what that means [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] i don't know if it is this way for paladins, i know it is for priests and druids though so go figure. all the shit below is about priests and druids. in my experience of the new cata healing shit, there's usually 2 main healing spells, a few HoTs you want to keep up and a few extra abilities. you'll have 2 main healing spells, both have same cast time but vary on mana and healing done, for example noursh/heal, not much mana but doesn't heal an awful lot, greater heal/healing touch, uses a lot of mana and heals for a reasonable amount. in terms of tank healing, the low mana low healing spells are generally intended to be cast pretty much all the time (as shown by talents, DISC priest specs for heal to reduce weakened soul duration, druids nourish to keep lifebloom rolling), the more expensive heals being intended for heavier damage phases. they also usually have a more expensive oh shit button (regrowth and flash heal, heals something in between the cheap and expensive heals for a high mana cost but short cast time). i don't know if you can draw any similarities to holy pala healing but generally, make sure you are by default using your lower mana lower healing spell to keep everyone topped off, feeling free to use your bigger healing more expensive spell on intervals when there's more damage, using cooldowns as necessary. healing is a lot less snappy than it used to be so it's a lot less down to speed and more about spell choices and in return mana management. in wrath a lot of it was down to snappy heals etc, it's now a lot more about knowing what spell you should cast in your current situation. i'm not great at explaining things.
honestly if you have a half decent group and some CC no one should be taking too much damage use holy shock when it's up and spam holy light, those 2 combined with a 3 HP WoG is enough for 90% of the crap in heroics holy light procs daybreak giving you 2 holy shocks in a row, and holy shock procs whatever it's called that makes your next holy light or divine light a much shorter cast, and both of them proc A LOT right there you have a crapload of heals going out for a decently low mana cost, and each holy shock gives you 1 HP so pop a WoG whenever you have 3 HP oh and make sure you're using Seal of Insight and spamming judgement as possible, if you have to target the person you wanna heal then you're doing it wrong. personally i also like to autoattack whatever target my tank is attacking if he's not taking a bunch of damage at the time if you're having mana problems past that then there's either 3 things wrong: A: you're bad and you don't know how to play your class B: your tank is bad and is wearing cloth C: your DPS keeps standing in crap it's only one of the 3 so just choose what it is, find a fix, and move on
I was playing my new 85 priest and just got the gear to do HC's, got stonecore I couldn't heal past the first boss.
um why on slabhide only the tank should be taking any damage, on the big dude everyone only takes a little damage, and on the last chick once again pretty much only the tank should be taking damage
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;27787156]all your "cc's"? do you even know what that means[/QUOTE] there's a lot of it. roots, hibernate, cyclone. cyclone not so often, but roots and hibernate everytime i get the chance. helps me to get through with healing with much more ease believe me also dots, 3x FF and free wrath casts! and the way i heal is basically; 3x lifebloom and reju. also regrowth for fast directheal+hot, then swiftmend for fast direct heals too and the effloresence+wildgrowth for even better aoe heal nourish and healingtouch.. i hardly ever cast those. sometimes NS+HT but NS is useful for maybe roots/hibernate at a times, not really strong talent anyway. lifebloom is so cheap spell you don't need nourish to keep it rolling. usually i let it bloom too, same time with swiftmend it heals a bunch. also i dont seem to go oom by "spamming" lifebloom. and this all is solo healing in hc dungeons, in raids it'll be even easier with more healers. healed baradin hold 10man with a pala healer, no problems at all if it even counts lol if i were a paladin i would use repentance in every pull and just cast flash of lights or holy lights dunno how it goes for paladins.. anyway
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27791856]there's a lot of it. roots, hibernate, cyclone. cyclone not so often, but roots and hibernate everytime i get the chance. helps me to get through with healing with much more ease believe me also dots, 3x FF and free wrath casts! and the way i heal is basically; 3x lifebloom and reju. also regrowth for fast directheal+hot, then swiftmend for fast direct heals too and the effloresence+wildgrowth for even better aoe heal nourish and healingtouch.. i hardly ever cast those. sometimes NS+HT but NS is useful for maybe roots/hibernate at a times, not really strong talent anyway. lifebloom is so cheap spell you don't need nourish to keep it rolling. usually i let it bloom too, same time with swiftmend it heals a bunch. also i dont seem to go oom by "spamming" lifebloom. and this all is solo healing in hc dungeons, in raids it'll be even easier with more healers. healed baradin hold 10man with a pala healer, no problems at all if it even counts lol if i were a paladin i would use repentance in every pull and just cast flash of lights or holy lights dunno how it goes for paladins.. anyway[/QUOTE] lifebloomx3 + nourish is your main heal. Nourish replenishes lifebloom and gives you replenishment. You only ever need your other heals if you're putting a quick rejuvenation on DPS or in big fights where tank or everyone is taking more damage. Also, repentance is a retribution talent.
[QUOTE=JerryK;27791536]um why on slabhide only the tank should be taking any damage, on the big dude everyone only takes a little damage, and on the last chick once again pretty much only the tank should be taking damage[/QUOTE] Keyword is "should" in your sentence.
[QUOTE=Glent;27792969]lifebloomx3 + nourish is your main heal. Nourish replenishes lifebloom and gives you replenishment. You only ever need your other heals if you're putting a quick rejuvenation on DPS or in big fights where tank or everyone is taking more damage. Also, repentance is a retribution talent.[/QUOTE] well casting lifebloom gives replenishment afaik and lifebloom is a very cheap spell anyway don't really matter if you let it bloom unless in a situation where tank takes a lot of dmg and your hots just expired also wtf rejuvenation is like the best healing there is, i keep it on tank all the time, and you can give it to all group members when aoe is coming. also tree of life + keep lifeblooms on multiple people if needed!
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27803026]well casting lifebloom gives replenishment afaik and lifebloom is a very cheap spell anyway don't really matter if you let it bloom unless in a situation where tank takes a lot of dmg and your hots just expired also wtf rejuvenation is like the best healing there is, i keep it on tank all the time, and you can give it to all group members when aoe is coming. also tree of life + keep lifeblooms on multiple people if needed![/QUOTE] Nourish is a better way to keep lifebloom going because the extra healing, since it's only slightly more mana expensive than lifebloom. You also have the benefit of your mastery in that. Also, you don't need rejuvenation for anything but big fights. It's not worth putting on if lifebloom+nourish is doing fine.
Every group I've ever been in for stonecore has failed to get past corboros. Every single one.
[QUOTE=Itszutak;27809468]Every group I've ever been in for stonecore has failed to get past corboros. Every single one.[/QUOTE] Wrath babies?
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