• Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward.
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[QUOTE=broo20;27210505]Do you ever see glassings in the game? Maybe that's a thing for the new devs to do.[/QUOTE] There's glassings in Halo 2, ODST, Halo 3 and Reach.
[QUOTE=Cortana;27218501]Yeah, I know they can't be all from one planet. What I wanted to say was: Maybe one race thought of for example a Spirit and painted it, so it can't be seen IN THE WORLD IT'S MEANT FOR. I bet they fight each other too [/QUOTE] Im assuming the covenant prefer to look decrotive and intimidating than practical(Hence the forerunner symbols on their armour) I mean humans haven't been using camouflage for that many years only in the past 100 years have we started to use it in armed forces. Before then we were much more classy with our outfits.
[QUOTE=Cortana;27218501]Yeah, I know they can't be all from one planet. What I wanted to say was: Maybe one race thought of for example a Spirit and painted it, so it can't be seen IN THE WORLD IT'S MEANT FOR. I bet they fight each other too Maybe there is everything pink where the covenant come from[/QUOTE] I remember reading somewhere that the reason for the green colour of MJOLNIR (This was before Reach fucked shit up) was that it was some sort of special material that was better at dissipating the effects of plasma. Hence the semi translucent green sheen. I'd figure the purple armor used by the covenant is just such a material, and that the purple colour is a side effect of that specific material. So they can't exactly paint it over. You'd rather have a good defense against the kinds of weapons you know about than fancy paintjobs yes? Maybe it's easier to manufacture the purple kind of material in large enough quantities for spaceships and vehicles, and the more decorative colours are preserved for higher ranking elites or something.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;27217131]The lasgun would probably blow his head off. So yes, the guardsman would kill him. Most people also forget what guardsmen fight. The covenant found master chief to be a terrible foe, calling him a demon and other such names. The guard, well the guard fight demons from time to time, orks, traitor marines and other ctulhu esque critters which would probably make half of the covenant go insane. Likewise the humans of 40k are somewhat more evolved from baseline humans. On average they are stronger, faster the usual. And this is different from Aribiters or spartans using arbiter weaponry charging into meelee combat how exactly? Also marines usually engage into meelee combat only if they can approach the target safely. That's why they are urban warfare specialists, not open field specialists. Just as Shephard is N7 which seems to be a special branch of the human forces as well. So she still outranks MC :P Obviously a spartan is probably more advanced biologically than even a wh40k baseline human though most likely by not a terribly far margin. And some guard modifications probably come close -afriel strain comes to mind. Still the modifications done to him do not even scratch the surface of the complete genetic rewrite that space marines are subject to. In some ways the weapons in halo are less effective than today's standard weaponry as well as some boneheaded design ideas for their vehicles. My only assumption for the warthog to be so open is in order to keep it as light as possible for easy transfer and even potential dismanting and reassembly.[/QUOTE] Lasguns generally only blow space marine heads off when they are 1: on full charge, 2: shot at an exposed head and 3: really close range. Otherwise Marines can generally survive non bolter (and sometims bolter) shots to the head, hell, Ragnar Blackmane took a sniper shot to the face and survived. As for close combat, it depends entirely on the chapter, and as well what squad type the marine is in, Space Wolf Blood Claws? Hell yeah they love close combat, even if it's dangerous to get into, Ultramarine Devastators however, are somewhat the opposite. Afriel Strain is entirely different to what the Chief went through, which are really baby steps compared to what marines go through.Astartes are far removed from humanity after they have had their 19 implants.
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27218838]Im assuming the covenant prefer to look decrotive and intimidating than practical(Hence the forerunner symbols on their armour) I mean humans haven't been using camouflage for that many years only in the past 100 years have we started to use it in armed forces. Before then we were much more classy with our outfits.[/QUOTE] Alternatively they see in a completely different colour spectrum and actually have painted camouflage on all their stuff and humans look just as bright and out of place for them. Just take a look at what plants look under ultraviolet light. [quote] Lasguns generally only blow space marine heads off when they are 1: on full charge, 2: shot at an exposed head and 3: really close range. Otherwise Marines can generally survive non bolter (and sometims bolter) shots to the head, hell, Ragnar Blackmane took a sniper shot to the face and survived. [/quote] I'm prone to agree. But that's mostly to do with the capabilities of spacemarine PA. Which are in some cases as armoured as tanks. The Tau equivalent to marine armour would imho by a crisis suit, which while offering the same protection is a number time the size of marine armour. Still after all this is accounted, a lasgun can still damage PA if the shooter gets lucky, or they get a massive amount of guns pointed at them. In part a reason why marines aren't that keen in fighting in the open.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;27212136]Halo seems to have the best tech for space battles and stuff, but on the ground it's what 50 years in the future will look like, not 500. If we don't count some of the strange weapon ranges and such. Mass Effect seems to have the best gear for infantry battles but that's all we've seen from the franchise. We can't really tell if they have any sort of armored warfare, in-atmosphere bombers et cetera. So yeah, ME for infantry combat, Halo for spess combat, real life for, uh, plausibility?[/QUOTE] The codex did mention that there are combat vehicles for planetside combat, plus theres the mako and the hammerhead.
The Mako seems way too finicky for real combat and the hammerhead is just shit
Mako>Hammerhead. This thread is now about how the Hammerhead is a step backwards from the Mako. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] And you can basically say that Space Marines aren't human because of the number of implants and gene therapy they get. They are basically 25% organic, 75% walking tank.
I believe you'll find that i did say that.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;27219481]The Mako seems way too finicky for real combat and the hammerhead is just shit[/QUOTE] In game: yes IRL: no
[QUOTE=loco;27207006]How did this become about MC vs. Shepard? It's like pitting characters from Star Wars against Star Trek.[/QUOTE] Star Wars charcters would win because they use magic. aka the force. aka George Lucas' All purpose plot hole sealant.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;27219108]Alternatively they see in a completely different colour spectrum and actually have painted camouflage on all their stuff and humans look just as bright and out of place for them. Just take a look at what plants look under ultraviolet light. [/QUOTE] My theory makes more sense as the higher the rank of covenant the more elaborate their uniforms get.
[QUOTE=Dirty_Ape;27220401]Star Wars charcters would win because they use magic. aka the force. aka George Lucas' All purpose plot hole sealant.[/QUOTE] Hey, IT WORKS. Actually though, the Jedi and Sith (or Force users in general) aren't invincible. Did you ever see the 3rd episode? WTF HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD?! IT USED TO BE EPIC! [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sirdrone536;27210770]So this thread has gone from Tech to "Master cheif is awesome lolololol everyone fags lol" thread, Dammit for once could there be a thread that doesn't get raided by Fanboys and girls. (Maybe idiots too)[/QUOTE] I miss the Tech....
[QUOTE=Zethiwag;27160401]Also the human tech is weird - in 500 years, do you think we would really still be using bullets?[/QUOTE] Why is this hard to believe? Man has been using projectile firearms in war for more than 700 years.
[QUOTE=Klammyxxl;27221352]Why is this hard to believe? Man has been using projectile firearms in war for more than 700 years.[/QUOTE] But we've only been using modern bullets (you know, ones that DON'T require loading your gun with propellant every shot) for about a hundred years.
Don't fix what isn't broken. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] and besides, according to halo lore, hasn't the human race been preoccupied with getting into space, colonizing and attempting to halt a rising insurrection?
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;27221518]Don't fix what isn't broken. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] and besides, according to halo lore, hasn't the human race been preoccupied with getting into space, colonizing and attempting to halt a rising insurrection?[/QUOTE] Humans NOT trying to invent even better ways to kill each other and everything around them? What did they do to the Humans?! I know they weren't expecting anymore war but that doesn't change the fact that we're human.
we made a railgun recently which is cool
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27221650]Humans NOT trying to invent even better ways to kill each other and everything around them? What did they do to the Humans?! I know they weren't expecting anymore war but that doesn't change the fact that we're human.[/QUOTE] Exactly. We build weapons that work on us. When's the last time we built a weapon designed to kill aliens?
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;27221735]Exactly. We build weapons that work on us. When's the last time we built a weapon designed to kill aliens?[/QUOTE] usually aliens die from bullets too...?
But that's the point, we didn't build a weapon with them in mind, the current weapons did the job just fine.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;27221799]But that's the point, we didn't build a weapon with them in mind, the current weapons did the job just fine.[/QUOTE] But my statement was wondering why the hell most military development ended in trying to find new weapon systems. I understand that bullets work fine but over 500 years NOT ONCE did we find a better system? (Lasers, plasma, railgun, etc.)
even their ships use bullets lol and orbital guns(which work, cuz in halo 2 it blew shit up with shielding)
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27221892]But my statement was wondering why the hell most military development ended in trying to find new weapon systems. I understand that bullets work fine but over 500 years NOT ONCE did we find a better system? (Lasers, plasma, railgun, etc.)[/QUOTE] Yeah. In Halo you have Gauss rifles and lasers. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27221937]even their ships use bullets lol[/QUOTE] No they use a huge gauss rifle.
[QUOTE=BmB;27218844]I remember reading somewhere that the reason for the green colour of MJOLNIR (This was before Reach fucked shit up) was that it was some sort of special material that was better at dissipating the effects of plasma. Hence the semi translucent green sheen. I'd figure the purple armor used by the covenant is just such a material, and that the purple colour is a side effect of that specific material. So they can't exactly paint it over. You'd rather have a good defense against the kinds of weapons you know about than fancy paintjobs yes? Maybe it's easier to manufacture the purple kind of material in large enough quantities for spaceships and vehicles, and the more decorative colours are preserved for higher ranking elites or something.[/QUOTE] Like I said before, they are alien alloys, there's most likely a reason they all have a purple sheen to them and look like carbon fibre. [QUOTE=Irespawnoften;27221799]But that's the point, we didn't build a weapon with them in mind, the current weapons did the job just fine.[/QUOTE] A lot of people don't notice that the weapons in the Halo universe may seem like they could exist now, but are actually quite superior. For instance, the M6C is the most common handgun distributed to the UNSC, and it fires a 50 caliber round. Then you've got the common MA5 Assault Rifle that uses a bullpup design and has a built-in LCD ammo counter, and that fires a round very similar to the Mosin Nagant (7.62x51 compared to the Mosin's 7.62x54r). Or the M7 SMG which is a caseless weapon (the only thing we have close to that is the H&K G11 [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G11[/url]). That's ignoring the fact that we mount fucking gauss turrets on vehicles. [QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27221892]But my statement was wondering why the hell most military development ended in trying to find new weapon systems. I understand that bullets work fine but over 500 years NOT ONCE did we find a better system? (Lasers, plasma, railgun, etc.)[/QUOTE] Uh. Gauss guns are rail guns, and they're mounted on every single UNSC ship, and even on warthogs. The Covenant are more advanced than us and they utilize plasma. Again, case of everyone expecting technology to be developed a lot faster than it is.
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27221942]Yeah. In Halo you have Gauss rifles and lasers. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] No they use a huge gauss rifle.[/QUOTE] i see guass warthogs are cool too but i personally liked rocket hog from ce more lol more fun
The covenant had huge amounts of forerunner relics to dismantle and turn into weapons, humans had none. Look at the spartan laser, seven/five shots and your done. Energy weapons need a lot power to function.
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27221942]Yeah. In Halo you have Gauss rifles and lasers. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] No they use a huge gauss rifle.[/QUOTE] Well, sorry about my incorrect statement but I have only played Halo once (HATED IT) and don't know much about what the weapons are except what I've heard.
I'd definitely take an M4 or AK over the Halo 'Assault Rifle.'
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27222023]I'd definitely take an M4 or AK over the Halo 'Assault Rifle.'[/QUOTE] I'd probably take the AK since it takes less work and training to maintain.
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