• Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward.
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[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27195258] Anyone know if armor lock is even canon or is it just for gameplay, there is a different kind of "armor lock" used by Master chief and Jorge (Jorge tells Noble 6 to use it on Tip of the Spear but doesnt and ends up being thrown out the falcon) which makes the armor go into a lockdown that stops the movement of joints to avoid injury[/QUOTE] Canon for spartans, in the beginning on Halo 3, when the marines find master Chief, the marine inspecting his armour mentions that it's locked or something similiar like that
[QUOTE=the_killer24;27228393]Which have a horrendously short range and can be destroyed in about a magazine of standard rifle fire.[/QUOTE] They're hardly even meant for combat Forerunner spacecraft give a better sense of the weaponry they had, that shit is just OP [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225866]Samus's suit is by far the best though. [img_thumb]http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/176/4/b/Samus_Aran_by_jdillon82.jpg[/img_thumb] I'm gonna get raged on, but she could kick Master Chief's ass any day.[/QUOTE] They're the same character how do you not know this
[QUOTE=BmB;27225612]It only does that if you are an idiot and don't use the system designed to keep it from doing just that. Halsey laments the accident in the Journal referencing exactly this.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure it does it to normal humans because their reaction time isn't fast enough to keep with the armour, hence the need for the reactions upgrade on the spartans.
[QUOTE=the_killer24;27223783]Ninja, the Scorpion uses a hilariously underpowered cannon firing APBC rounds (which were used in WW2).[/QUOTE] Your forgetting this is 500 years in the future. A 90mm in the future would be more devastating than a 120mm today. Also why would you need armour piercing when covenant vehicles are tin cans. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27223799]Even though I like Halo, 'Master Chief' is one of the most lame names ever, in any video game. [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] If you are talking about range, I got these figures from the Halopedia: Halo MA5 Assault Rifle Range: 300 metres From Wikipedia: M14 Range: 460 - 800 metres[/QUOTE] Halopedia isnt a legit source. If you made one in real life it would be more than 300 meters. The source Halopedia used were most likely Jenkins sight adjustments but that doesnt mean to say it has more of an effective range than what the sights go up to.
[QUOTE=the_killer24;27228393]Which have a horrendously short range and can be destroyed in about a magazine of standard rifle fire.[/QUOTE] Don't forget that the sentinels weren't designed to fight Humans or Covenant, they were designed to suppress the Flood. [QUOTE=Samiam22;27228857]Uhh, no it didn't. AFAIK, I remember reading about a conflict between the English and the French that the French lost because English longbows had bigger range than the French crossbows.[/QUOTE] Actually it is the other way around, crossbows have a longer range than longbows. [QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27232607]Your forgetting this is 500 years in the future. A 90mm in the future would be more devastating than a 120mm today. Also why would you need armour piercing when covenant vehicles are tin cans.[/QUOTE] I doubt the Scorpion is the only kind of tank they had as well, just the only kind that appears in the games. I could just be a sort of "Airborne" tank seeing as they're carried on board ships and transported by Pelicans.
[QUOTE=archangel125;27160345]Naturally, the Halo games were optimized for the sake of gameplay and not hypothetical realism. But here's why Covenant tech would still be no match for the military technology of today in a confrontation. 1. Covenant projectiles are very, very visible, and travel much more slowly than bullets (for the most part). This would allow human troops to pinpoint the location of enemy forces almost instantly and call in artillery support. 2. Covenant vehicles are unwieldy and underpowered. Wraith tank? No problem. Get an A-10 Warthog or an AH-64 Apache to lase and destroy it from eight kilometers off with a single Maverick or Hellfire missile. The 30mm cannons (which fire explosive armor-piercing shells) of both the above would shred the tank from two kilometers away just as easily - and less expensively. The Scarab could be wiped out instantly by a 2,000lb JDAM dropped from a fast jet a mile up, and guided in by infantry with a laser designator from a safe distance away. Banshees, phantoms and seraphs could be killed from four kilometers away with basic shoulder-launched SAMs, ten to twenty kilometers with AAMs, a kilometer with an AA gun, and from hundreds of kilometers away with any sophisticated radar-guided missile. 3. The Covenant don't know the meaning of 'camouflage'. Flourescent glossy personnel armor and vehicles with glowing components can be spotted from miles away by anyone with sharp enough eyes. Active camouflage would be a great threat to infantry that are not alert - but modern military aircraft and some infantry weapons usually have FLIR (Forward-Looking Infra Red) capabilities, and the active camo doesn't mask their thermal signature. The greatest advantage covenant troops would have would be their space warfare capabilities and their energy shielding - but neither would be enough to help them win a ground war - short of glassing a planet, of course. [U]Thread on Bungie Forums: [B][URL="http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=54861637"]Here.[/URL][/B] Just wait for the 'troll' accusations and righteous indignation.[/U] [editline]8:39 PM[/editline] Ah, right. I forgot. They're all under fifteen years old.[/QUOTE] That's awesome theorycraft but I think you forgot the part where the Covenant [I]Navy[/I] buttfucked Earth so hard that the screams of humanity came back in time to alert Antoine Dodson. They don't have to engage the conventional military, they just glass your shit from millions of miles away, while you try to breathe air the same temperature as the sun.
[QUOTE=27X;27233568]That's awesome theorycraft but I think you forgot the part where the Covenant [I]Navy[/I] buttfucked Earth so hard that the screams of humanity came back in time to alert Antoine Dodson. They don't have to engage the conventional military, they just glass your shit from millions of miles away, while you try to breathe air the same temperature as the sun.[/QUOTE] yes we know we've established that over 9000 times god dammit read the fucking thread aesfdgjsdfgasdh
This thread is about Halo and nothing else! Do not compare with Mass Effect or Star Wars or Star Trek or Starcraft or even Warhammer 40k. The halo weapons if brought to out present time would be comparable to a world war 2 weapon. The AR, BR and DMR would be similar to the MP44(STG44), BAR, M1 garand.
[QUOTE=BCell;27233796] The halo weapons if brought to out present time would be comparable to a world war 2 weapon. The AR, BR and DMR would be similar to the MP44(STG44), BAR, M1 garand.[/QUOTE] The DMR can actually be set to fully automatic in canon its just semi for gameplay. The AR would be more comparable to something like the G3
[QUOTE=Samiam22;27228857]Uhh, no it didn't. AFAIK, I remember reading about a conflict between the English and the French that the French lost because English longbows had bigger range than the French crossbows.[/QUOTE] There was some limitation to crossbows due to the ease they allowed the rabble to kill nobles and guards. Only strong and trained people could use bows, whereas almost anyone could use a crossbow with hardly any training. Not to mention they were relatively cheap. While a bow or crossbow did have issues with mail, it still worried people. And the French mostly lost due to better english tactics, not better bows as much. Also bows tend to have longer range since they are used more with a ballistic arc as compared to crossbows.
[QUOTE=BmB;27225644]Master Chief is an awesome name you just don't like things..[/QUOTE] So let me guess this straight, I "just don't like things" because I think that a name that is ONE letter away from being MASTER CHEF is STUPID?! And that joke aside, the name sucks. You have your opinion and I have mine. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=lavacano;27224859]Fixed. Then the first few pages was discussion on how future weapons really WERE going to work. I liked that discussion. Then page 19 was fanboyism, and I don't know about pages 5-18, didn't read them.[/QUOTE] I LOVED that part of this thread. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;27224681]This is true. Ironically, what this gent has just stated is pretty much [i]what the entire thread is about[/i].[/QUOTE] Yep. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;27226207]Yeah, but to be fair samus' suit is kinda cheating. It doesn't really operate on any known technology. It's just kinda like "Oh yeah, it's chozo so it can dissolve into nothing at any time and then pop back on later, and it can install new components on the fly instantly." It's just so far beyond anything that the humans have in most other sci-fi universes.[/QUOTE] Yeah, there's not exactly a real scientific explanation. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27224204][img_thumb]http://www.puertogun.com/images/m14.jpg[/img_thumb] this is an m14 [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] m14 is a pretty dam old gun though [img_thumb]http://military.discovery.com/technology/weapons/images/10-m14-625x450.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] The M14 was used in Vietnam and was basically the M1 Garand with fully automatic fire, modern materials, and a magazine to reload. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27225553]I wouldn't wall the Mjolnir armor very useful or practical, since it severly injures any normal human who attempts to wear it (because apparently, only Spartans can handle it). [editline]5th January 2011[/editline] Really, if I had a choice, I'd take the trusty ol' HEV suit, or the Crysis Nanosuit.[/QUOTE] True, who here would wear Stormtrooper armor? (LULZ) [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=wraithcat;27234496]There was some limitation to crossbows due to the ease they allowed the rabble to kill nobles and guards. Only strong and trained people could use bows, whereas almost anyone could use a crossbow with hardly any training. Not to mention they were relatively cheap. While a bow or crossbow did have issues with mail, it still worried people. And the French mostly lost due to better english tactics, not better bows as much. Also bows tend to have longer range since they are used more with a ballistic arc as compared to crossbows.[/QUOTE] It's very true. The only reason the Longbow was used more than the Crossbow was because of it's reloading time.
[QUOTE=the_killer24;27228393]Which have a horrendously short range and can be destroyed in about a magazine of standard rifle fire.[/QUOTE] All of which fits into the rest of the gameplay and still positions the light arms of the forerunner as top dog in most gameplay situations.
[QUOTE=BmB;27225612]It only does that if you are an idiot and don't use the system designed to keep it from doing just that. Halsey laments the accident in the Journal referencing exactly this.[/QUOTE] Actually iirc Human reaction speed isn't fast enough to compensate for the suit, hence why the spartans went through the entire altering in the first place.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27232502]I'm pretty sure it does it to normal humans because their reaction time isn't fast enough to keep with the armour, hence the need for the reactions upgrade on the spartans.[/QUOTE] Fall of reach can suck my dick. It makes no sense that way. Halsey's journal fixes that.
So basically you're gonna dismiss anything that contradicts your ideas?
[QUOTE=loco;27227303]If I remember Cortana Calls him John and in Reach they refer to him as John-117[/QUOTE] Cortana calls him Chief and "hey you". [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RayvenQ;27241536]So basically you're gonna dismiss anything that contradicts your ideas?[/QUOTE] You're going to accept something that doesn't make sense?
How does it not make sense? Considering at the time it was written, Halo was the only game to have come out.
MC's "name" is John-117, and "Human reaction speed isn't fast enough to compensate for the suit, hence why the spartans went through the entire altering in the first place." is correct
this thread is going nowhere. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] inb4 katanas
[QUOTE=BmB;27241524]Fall of reach can suck my dick. It makes no sense that way. Halsey's journal fixes that.[/QUOTE] The suit reacts faster then the body thinking the action can react, that's the problem the suit ran into.
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[QUOTE=BmB;27241553]Cortana calls him Chief and "hey you". [/QUOTE] I didn't mean in the entire game she says it once or twice.
[QUOTE=CaF;27242953][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/2B1_oka.jpg[/img_thumb] I don't see any of this in halo. [b]where is it![/b][/QUOTE] The Oka would fit right into Halo. Hilariously impractical design that destroys itself.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27241761]How does it not make sense? Considering at the time it was written, Halo was the only game to have come out.[/QUOTE] Because it doesn't. Didn't you even read the book? I could explain it to you but I'd basically be repeating the words in the book. And then afterwards everyone goes all derp only spartans can use it.
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;27160470]Yeah having limited ammo sure is improved tech[/QUOTE] No actually they apparently "did studies" that show that the ability to attain a greater rate of fire makes up for the short reload time. Apparently that was one of the big advantages the geth had. Obviously this is complete bullshit, but it's bullshit that holds together.
[QUOTE=BmB;27244791]Because it doesn't. Didn't you even read the book? I could explain it to you but I'd basically be repeating the words in the book. And then afterwards everyone goes all derp only spartans can use it.[/QUOTE] There's no point in arguing against what's canon.
[QUOTE=MasterG;27160719]Halo is like Star Wars - Mostly tries to stay in the realms of science fantasy - i.e. Blatent impossibilities, but generally done for the sake of fun. Mass Effect is like Star Trek - Mostly tries to stay in the realms of science fiction - i.e. actually based on real theoretical science.[/QUOTE] This And all of those things are pretty awesome. It's just funny to watch the fanboys freak when you challenge the continuity of something that is obviously not supposed to stand up to scrutiny.
Ninja, please don't go all fanboyish 'NO HAYLO IS SUPR REALISTIC AND DERP EFEKT IS UNRELISTIC NO SCIENC' whenever that's quoted. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27163258]they would only be able to take two hits then and plasma guns are rapid fire[/QUOTE] Yea but they're still blue, slow and impossible for so many reasons. Also, how is it that the plasma shots aren't effected by gravity if they're moving so slow. After all, displacement due to gravity on earth=4.9m/s^2 x time^2 and those little blue gobs fly like a softball--probably about 110 feet per second out of the muzzle. So even if you neglect air resistance, the stupid things will fall down about downwards about forty meters in order to travel the distance of a football field. Even if you double or triple that speed (which would be untrue to the game as I see it), you're still talking about your shots going fifteen feet below where you're aiming. I suppose they could probably have aiming technology to compensate for that, but it doesn't even come into play anywhere in the game or the novelization.
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