• Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward.
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[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27264693]If you want to go by canon, you can't say anyone can wear it until its shown ingame that they can. Sure, a normal person [I]could[/I] do that, but a spartan can do it better and in a more controlled manner, which is key with something that magnifies everything you do. (BTW, 40K > Halo, period.)[/QUOTE] Now you're the one who just wants to be right with nothing to back it up. Oh the irony. You have become that which you hate.
Nope, you started using canon as an excuse to back your arguments, so i counter-canoned. Your entire argument revolved around a near decade late retcon.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27265239]40k > Starcraft. Zerglings? Hah, Tyranids > Zerglings, in both danger and amount.[/QUOTE] yeah but 40k is less realistic cuz they all massively op
It's also 40,000 years in the future, i suspect humanity may have advanced since then. Realism alone doesn't help make something better, but a 2 to 3 decade long background history sure does.
also IG <3 aw broke merge
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27261386]I dont think an anti air missle would be able to hit something not only that small but falling that fast on entry into the atmosphere. [/QUOTE] If the military can design anti-ballistic missile defense systems, I don't think a pod dropping through the atmosphere would be too hard to counter, though it might be difficult. [QUOTE]Elites dont work alone they have their cannon fodder grunts to take the bullets for them while they make precise shots, sure alone he will probably die to a squad but not without at least of of your guys dying, His shields would hold up long enough to kill at least one of you. [/QUOTE] I realize that one or two soldiers would die, if it was just a squad. If there was a tank, it would be a different story. Same with an attack chopper, or if there was artillery inbound. [QUOTE] Banshees aren't supposed to be like fighter jets we dont really have a counter part to them because they are so strange, they play the role of an attack helicopter but hang around the battle rather than there to just provide support.[/QUOTE] Nothing a helicopter, with a good minigun couldn't handle. Also, if there was an AC-130 in the air, the Covenant would be screwed in so many ways.
i don't know if a banshee i would compare to a fighter i'd compare it to a flying motorcycle
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27265403] Nothing a helicopter, with a good minigun couldn't handle. Also, if there was an AC-130 in the air, the Covenant would be screwed in so many ways.[/QUOTE] No they wouldn't. The Seraphim would take out a plane like that with almost no effort, even then, they wouldn't need to send troops to engage, they could destroy the craft without entering the atmosphere. The Halo counterpart would be orbital stations and the giant attack ships, which were almost entirely useless for ground support due to the Covenant [i]absolutely dominating space warfare[/i]. As for the "heli wit minigun leet" argument, Banshees fly in huge formations and their pilots are extremely skillful. Their primary weapon is a weapon that slings plasma hot enough to turn steel to liquid and their anti-armor weapon is a giant, radioactive flaming ball of exploding plasma death. That's why, in the games, you see so many Pelicans fall victim to Banshee attacks. They're like flying velociraptors.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;27265361]Nope, you started using canon as an excuse to back your arguments, so i counter-canoned. Your entire argument revolved around a near decade late retcon.[/QUOTE] It doesn't actually contradict the accident so it isn't a retcon it just expands the story behind it.
[QUOTE=yuki;27265709]No they wouldn't. The Seraphim would take out a plane like that with almost no effort, even then, they wouldn't need to send troops to engage, they could destroy the craft without entering the atmosphere. The Halo counterpart would be orbital stations and the giant attack ships, which were almost entirely useless for ground support due to the Covenant [i]absolutely dominating space warfare[/i]. As for the "heli wit minigun leet" argument, Banshees fly in huge formations and their pilots are extremely skillful. Their primary weapon is a weapon that slings plasma hot enough to turn steel to liquid and their anti-armor weapon is a giant, radioactive flaming ball of exploding plasma death. That's why, in the games, you see so many Pelicans fall victim to Banshee attacks. They're like flying velociraptors.[/QUOTE] Well, if you haven't noticed, this thread is not talking about space warfare. It is talking about ground warfare, and warfare in the sky. It has already been established that the Covenant's greatest advantage is their space-faring capabilities. Even so, I simply can't see a Seraph: [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-31_XMF[/url] Take out an AC-130 gunship: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130[/url]
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27267865]Well, if you haven't noticed, this thread is not talking about space warfare. It is talking about ground warfare, and warfare in the sky. It has already been established that the Covenant's greatest advantage is their space-faring capabilities. Even so, I simply can't see a Seraph: [url]http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-31_XMF[/url] Take out an AC-130 gunship: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130[/url][/QUOTE] A Seraph is faster, has plasma cannons and energy shields. An AC-130 is a big slow moving target. I think a Seraph would easily be able to take down such a large target.
Hey gais, let's compare reality with stylized gameplay elements for what is essentially an arcade shooter. If you must compare it with present day stuff you should compare it with equally arcadish present day stuff.
in real life banshees and stuff would probably be like in this trailer [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rxUOdpAliE&has_verified=1[/media] infact everything would look more like in the trailer
[QUOTE=Micr0;27267936]A Seraph is faster, has plasma cannons and energy shields. An AC-130 is a big slow moving target. I think a Seraph would easily be able to take down such a large target.[/QUOTE] 480 km/h is not that slow, besides the AC-130's weapons would take out the seraph before it even get close.
Maybe all future armor is super tough, and the only things that can break it are very strong weapons that happen to move slowly.
[QUOTE=johan svensk;27268169]480 km/h is not that slow, besides the AC-130's weapons would take out the seraph before it even get close.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The AC-130 moves pretty fast (as it's a plane), and can absolutely devastate ground and air troops with it's cannons. It also has a large number of flares to protect from guided missiles.
I'm going to say that the only vehicle with strategic value considering the year halo was set is: The Longsword. Exatmospheric and atmospheric travel and long distance voyages through space while being able to deliver a payload close to 15 atomic weapons and not to mention it's armaments it wields, I say Bungie got that one right.
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27268321]Exactly. The AC-130 moves pretty fast (as it's a plane), and can absolutely devastate ground and air troops with it's cannons. It also has a large number of flares to protect from guided missiles.[/QUOTE] Except plasma isn't a missile. And Seraphs go way faster than 480kp/h.
seraphs can go in and out of the atmostphere with no problem i don't think a ac-130 can move that fast
[QUOTE=ZapDing;27268363]I'm going to say that the only vehicle with strategic value considering the year halo was set is: The Longsword. Exatmospheric and atmospheric travel and long distance voyages through space while being able to deliver a payload close to 15 atomic weapons and not to mention it's armaments it wields, I say Bungie got that one right.[/QUOTE] It looks okay. And how about we talk about shit like jet fighters which ARE fast.
a longsword in halo can fly in and out of earths atmostphere into space and has a 110mm gun as a standard ship to ship engagement weapon and 120 mm guns in pairs on the bottom side of it, and they also can be mounted with a nuclear system and its engines are a pair of fusion reactors
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;27268504]seraphs can go in and out of the atmostphere with no problem i don't think a ac-130 can move that fast[/QUOTE] Seraphs have the advantage in speed and agility, but AC-130s definitely have the advantage in firepower. It's like a military Hummer vs. a tank. I will admit that the fight (AC-130 vs Seraph) could go either way. It depends on circumstance, and the result isn't as clear cut as some of the other comparisons.
*Ahem* [QUOTE=BmB;27268077]Hey gais, let's compare reality with stylized gameplay elements for what is essentially an arcade shooter. If you must compare it with present day stuff you should compare it with equally arcadish present day stuff.[/QUOTE]
Anyway, no matter what the result of the AC-130 debate, you simply can't ignore the diversity of Aerial combat vehicles that we have. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force#Aircraft_inventory[/url]
[QUOTE=BmB;27268752]*Ahem*[/QUOTE] We saw you the first time.
Apparently not.
[QUOTE=BmB;27268817]Apparently not.[/QUOTE] If nobody replies the first time, it should be apparent that nobody cares. You don't have to re-post it to get people to reply.
You certainly should care because it's very relevant to the discussion.
[QUOTE=BmB;27268844]You certainly should care because it's very relevant to the discussion.[/QUOTE] We should. But we don't.
If I recall, the entire basis of this thread was about comparing the fictional future tech of Halo with realistic tech. Also, anyone else think BmB has a hilariously suiting avatar?
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