• Why the tech of the Halo Universe is a step backward.
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Also, when it comes to Covenant projectile speed, Spartans see everything in a much slower speed. Same goes for the Rocket Launcher.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27368184]Combine Hunter. The Combine Hunter is faster, possibly stronger, and it's flatchettes disintegrate targets. The Combine Hunter is epic. (And it wins in who looks cooler)[/QUOTE] I disagree, the Covvie Hunter is certainly much stronger, and almost 9 feet tall standing straight up. It can throw around vehicles and large groups of people with little effort, and his weak spots aren't as easy to hit as you make them out to be. On Heroic, the canon difficulty, it's difficult but not impossible for chief to kill them without wasting about 3 minutes, and Combine Hunters die regularly to Gordon in roughly 30 to 45 seconds, who is hardly a Spartan. The Combine Hunter has to be close for the flechettes to hit the weak spots, where the Covvie Hunter utilizes it's shields and makes mince-meat of it with it fuel rod gun. The reason it would hit the Combine Hunter is that Covvie Hunter takes small pauses to fire, where they would be vulnerable in close range. Not to mention in melee combat (Shield to sharp-stabbing thing combat?) the Covvie Hunter would probably force the Combine Hunter to the ground and crush it.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;27368644]I disagree, the Covvie Hunter is certainly much stronger, and almost 9 feet tall standing straight up. It can throw around vehicles and large groups of people with little effort, and his weak spots aren't as easy to hit as you make them out to be. On Heroic, the canon difficulty, it's difficult but not impossible for chief to kill them without wasting about 3 minutes, and Combine Hunters die regularly to Gordon in roughly 30 to 45 seconds, who is hardly a Spartan. The Combine Hunter has to be close for the flechettes to hit the weak spots, where the Covvie Hunter utilizes it's shields and makes mince-meat of it with it fuel rod gun. The reason it would hit the Combine Hunter is that Covvie Hunter takes small pauses to fire, where they would be vulnerable in close range. Not to mention in melee combat (Shield to sharp-stabbing thing combat?) the Covvie Hunter would probably force the Combine Hunter to the ground and crush it.[/QUOTE] In terms of pure strength, the Covenant Hunter takes the cake. However, the Covie Hunter is VERY slow, and not very agile at all. It's fuel rod cannon is powerful, though not that hard to dodge. Combine Hunters are big and strong, yet also very agile. A few well placed flechettes to the back of the Covie Hunter, and the Covie Hunter is dead. [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] Gordon Freeman also had access to heavier weapons right off the bat, such as RPG's and the Gravity Gun, which makes it easier for Gordon to kill Hunters. If he fought one, Gordon could probably kill a Covenant Hunter with ease.
And now it's Half-life vs Halo, you guys are no worse than those halo forum kids. How about this: [B]We forge other universes and concentrate on how halo tech sucks by itself, not relative to others. [/B]On the topic of crappy halo covvie tech: The brute cycles. One: Too many moving parts, would be a bitch to repair after war. Two: Weight is concentrated all in one area, the wheel part. as soon as the weight compensation goes offline (im assuming there is) you are a dead species. Three: the firing mechanism fires where you are going, doesnt do much damage, and doesn't lay down enough fire to suppress enemy forces. four: Rider left out in the open unprotected by anything but their personal armor.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;27369284]And now it's Half-life vs Halo, you guys are no worse than those halo forum kids. How about this: [B]We forge other universes and concentrate on how halo tech sucks by itself, not relative to others. [/B]On the topic of crappy halo covvie tech: The brute cycles. One: Too many moving parts, would be a bitch to repair after war. Two: Weight is concentrated all in one area, the wheel part. as soon as the weight compensation goes offline (im assuming there is) you are a dead species. Three: the firing mechanism fires where you are going, doesnt do much damage, and doesn't lay down enough fire to suppress enemy forces. four: Rider left out in the open unprotected by anything but their personal armor.[/QUOTE] We aren't being fanboys if that's what you are suggesting. It's interesting to compare the tech from both series'.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;27369284]And now it's Half-life vs Halo, you guys are no worse than those halo forum kids. How about this: [B]We forge other universes and concentrate on how halo tech sucks by itself, not relative to others. [/B]On the topic of crappy halo covvie tech: The brute cycles. One: Too many moving parts, would be a bitch to repair after war. Two: Weight is concentrated all in one area, the wheel part. as soon as the weight compensation goes offline (im assuming there is) you are a dead species. Three: the firing mechanism fires where you are going, doesnt do much damage, and doesn't lay down enough fire to suppress enemy forces. four: Rider left out in the open unprotected by anything but their personal armor.[/QUOTE] Well it is Brute technology, and we've established that Brutes are [I]fucking retarded. [/I]They sent themselves into near extinction upon entering the atomic age like 2-3 times, and each time they didn't learn the lesson that pushing the "launch everything" button might not be a good idea.
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27369357]We aren't being fanboys if that's what you are suggesting. It's interesting to compare the tech from both series'.[/QUOTE] Yeah but then it degenerates to: "IN DA BOOKS SPAHTANS DID THIS" I just want to see this discussion stay in what you see from the game, not the expanded universe which, to be honest, is probably mostly made up to make it sound more interesting.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;27369483]Yeah but then it degenerates to: "IN DA BOOKS SPAHTANS DID THIS" I just want to see this discussion stay in what you see from the game, not the expanded universe which, to be honest, is probably mostly made up to make it sound more interesting.[/QUOTE] I definitely agree with this. I always based my arguments for the Halo universe off of the games, not the books. The books seem to be there for the sole purpose of portraying Master Chief as God, and they are not even well-written to be honest.
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27369610]I definitely agree with this. I always based my arguments for the Halo universe off of the games, not the books. The books seem to be there for the sole purpose of portraying Master Chief as God, and they are not even well-written to be honest.[/QUOTE] Alright then. Back to human tech. -The lauded Assault rifle. Considering that it looks the size of a modern day assault rifle one could only guess that the only way 60 bullets would fit into the magazine would be if they were all pistol cartridges. No wonder it takes a whole magazine to kill an alien (this, according to fan, is on heroic which, also according to the fans, is the cnon difficulty.) -Apparently it fires 7.62 FMJ AP rounds. Bullshit.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;27369480]Well it is Brute technology, and we've established that Brutes are [I]fucking retarded. [/I]They sent themselves into near extinction upon entering the atomic age like 2-3 times, and each time they didn't learn the lesson that pushing the "launch everything" button might not be a good idea.[/QUOTE] It was invented by a Huragok (Engineer) who wanted to give it to humans as a farming tool as a peace offering after accidently killing a man. However when the Brutes found it, his Grunt friend lied to the Brutes and told them it was a new weapon he was building for them to save the engineer.
[QUOTE=P1X3L N1NJA;27370156]It was invented by a Huragok (Engineer) who wanted to give it to humans as a farming tool as a peace offering after accidently killing a man. However when the Brutes found it his Grunt friend lied to the Brutes and told them it was a new weapon he was building for them to save the engineer.[/QUOTE] Oh my god that is rich. This small snippet of backstory just beat the entire halo story line.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27350001]What? So I'm not even allowed a fucking opinion without you insulting me? Damn, you're intolerant. According to you, just because I hate a game because in my opinion, it isn't fun, that makes me a hater just because others hate it. THE HALO GAMES AREN'T FUN IN MY OPINION. IT'S MY OPINION. ACCEPT MY OPINION LIKE A NORMAL PERSON.[/QUOTE] It doesn't even fucking qualify as an opinion unless you back it up.
[QUOTE=BmB;27371522]It doesn't even fucking qualify as an opinion unless you back it up.[/QUOTE] Do you even understand what an opinion is? An opinion is not a statement; it is simply a person's personal feelings about a particular subject matter. You don't need to back up your own opinion. Either way, you haven't backed up most of your statements. You are simply being obnoxious.
[QUOTE=BmB;27371522]It doesn't even fucking qualify as an opinion unless you back it up.[/QUOTE] This has got to be the single dumbest thing I'm ever going to read in 2011. And it's the second week of January.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;27371445]Oh my god that is rich. This small snippet of backstory just beat the entire halo story line.[/QUOTE] Do you think im joking? Because im not, its in Contact Harvest.
Pity, this thread was just starting to get interesting again. Then BmB came back.
[QUOTE=BmB;27371522]It doesn't even fucking qualify as an opinion unless you back it up.[/QUOTE] ...and the worst thing is, you're not even going to realize why this is so stupid to say... [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] I've always wondered about the design of mass effect weapons, their collapsible after all. What're the limits of that technology?
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27368771]In terms of pure strength, the Covenant Hunter takes the cake. However, the Covie Hunter is VERY slow, and not very agile at all. It's fuel rod cannon is powerful, though not that hard to dodge. Combine Hunters are big and strong, yet also very agile. A few well placed flechettes to the back of the Covie Hunter, and the Covie Hunter is dead. [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] Gordon Freeman also had access to heavier weapons right off the bat, such as RPG's and the Gravity Gun, which makes it easier for Gordon to kill Hunters. If he fought one, Gordon could probably kill a Covenant Hunter with ease.[/QUOTE] Alright, I guess it is better. Good debate.
[QUOTE=New Cidem;27376333]Alright, I guess it is better. Good debate.[/QUOTE] How about this: 3 Striders vs. One Scarab
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27376718]How about this: 3 Striders vs. One Scarab[/QUOTE] Do remember that Striders are smaller and faster, along with them being much more maneuverable. A scuttling Strider can strafe a Scarab with ease, blow its top off with a well-aimed Disintegrator Beam, and freely allow anyone else to pick off the targets within.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;27377054]Do remember that Striders are smaller and faster, along with them being much more maneuverable. A scuttling Strider can strafe a Scarab with ease, blow its top off with a well-aimed Disintegrator Beam, and freely allow anyone else to pick off the targets within.[/QUOTE] I agree. While at first glance, it would seem the Strider had no chance, he Strider is much more agile, and harder to hit, and the Strider's warp beam could easily blow off a Scarab's leg. If there were two or three well-coordinated Striders, they could easily surround the Scarab and destroy it.
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27377570]I agree. While at first glance, it would seem the Strider had no chance, he Strider is much more agile, and harder to hit, and the Strider's warp beam could easily blow off a Scarab's leg. If there were two or three well-coordinated Striders, they could easily surround the Scarab and destroy it.[/QUOTE] Hell, a loaded Dropship could take out a Scarab, since it has an easily-accessed single bridge with an easy landing zone for soldiers.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;27377637]Hell, a loaded Dropship could take out a Scarab, since it has an easily-accessed single bridge with an easy landing zone for soldiers.[/QUOTE] Exactly. How hard would it be for the Combine to land a dropship on the scarab, and deploy troops to take out the generator? Bye bye Scarab! Really, I don't think the Covies have much of a chance against the Combine, especially considering that the Overwatch you see in half-Life 2 is only a fraction of the Combine empire.
Through one strider getting in the blast of the scarab's lazor cannon would get destroyed, not to mention some of the design of the scarabs appear it can make it's line of lazor switch direction (not by much through...the head take's a lot to move) In short if it's a 1on1 match...that strider better be moving fast and take it out quickly. If it's a gang bang....Scarab is doomed
[QUOTE=Sirdrone536;27379822]Through one strider getting in the blast of the scarab's lazor cannon would get destroyed, not to mention some of the design of the scarabs appear it can make it's line of lazor switch direction (not by much through...the head take's a lot to move) In short if it's a 1on1 match...that strider better be moving fast and take it out quickly. If it's a gang bang....Scarab is doomed[/QUOTE] If it was a full scale war between the Combine and Covenant, I'd definitely say the Combine win.
[QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27368771]In terms of pure strength, the Covenant Hunter takes the cake. However, the Covie Hunter is VERY slow, and not very agile at all. It's fuel rod cannon is powerful, though not that hard to dodge. Combine Hunters are big and strong, yet also very agile. A few well placed flechettes to the back of the Covie Hunter, and the Covie Hunter is dead. [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] Gordon Freeman also had access to heavier weapons right off the bat, such as RPG's and the Gravity Gun, which makes it easier for Gordon to kill Hunters. If he fought one, Gordon could probably kill a Covenant Hunter with ease.[/QUOTE] It's very nice to see a civilized debate where people just exchange facts, not opinions. [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BmB;27371522]It doesn't even fucking qualify as an opinion unless you back it up.[/QUOTE] Are you retarded? You seem to have the delusion that if ANYONE agrees with popular opinion, it's JUST because they want to be accepted. It's called POPULAR Opinion for a reason, you know! [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27372401]Do you even understand what an opinion is? An opinion is not a statement; it is simply a person's personal feelings about a particular subject matter. You don't need to back up your own opinion. Either way, you haven't backed up most of your statements. You are simply being obnoxious.[/QUOTE] Chosen, can i say that you are one of the smartest people on this thread right now?
An opinion isn't some magical fantasyland stance you can just take for no reason. Yes, it's your feelings on a subject, based on your experiences, thoughts, hopes, and so on. If you haven't got anything like that to back up your feelings then you didn't form the opinion yourself and are just hopping on the bandwagon to be cool.
[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;27381413] Chosen, can i say that you are one of the smartest people on this thread right now?[/QUOTE] lol thanks, but that isn't really saying much (I'm not referring to you BTW.) [editline]13th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BmB;27381646]An opinion isn't some magical fantasyland stance you can just take for no reason. Yes, it's your feelings on a subject, based on your experiences, thoughts, hopes, and so on. If you haven't got anything like that to back up your feelings then you didn't form the opinion yourself and are just hopping on the bandwagon to be cool.[/QUOTE] That may be true in some cases, but in this particular case, CakeMaster was simply expressing his dislike about the Halo series. You then jumped in and accused him of jumping on the hate bandwagon, simply because his opinion was similar to the public one. Either way, it is very hypocritical of you to call out others for not backing up your statements, when you rarely do so yourself.
[QUOTE=BmB;27381646]An opinion isn't some magical fantasyland stance you can just take for no reason. Yes, it's your feelings on a subject, based on your experiences, thoughts, hopes, and so on. If you haven't got anything like that to back up your feelings then you didn't form the opinion yourself and are just hopping on the bandwagon to be cool.[/QUOTE] I said that I played Halo (all the games, I've tryed at least once. I have a Halo addicted friend) and I DON'T THINK THEY'RE FUN IN ANY WAY! I already said that I tried them and think that they suck and you said I have nothing to back it up! I PLAYED THEM. I DIDN'T LIKE THEM. I THINK THEY SUCK. PERIOD. [editline]12th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ChosenOne54;27381664]lol thanks, but that isn't really saying much (I'm not referring to you BTW.) [editline]13th January 2011[/editline] That may be true in some cases, but in this particular case, CakeMaster was simply expressing his dislike about the Halo series. You then jumped in and accused him of jumping on the hate bandwagon, simply because his opinion was similar to the public one. Either way, it is very hypocritical of you to call out others for not backing up your statements, when you rarely do so yourself.[/QUOTE] Why thank you.
That's not a reason.
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