[EVE Online] My Alliance Will Beat Up Your Alliance!
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[U]EVE Online[/U] By PajamaSam & Bulaba0.
EVE Online in a game developed by CCP games, released in 2003 for the PC.
EVE Online is one of the most unique MMO's available on the market today. It is probably the top game on the market as far as player control of the game world. The universe is all on one server system, spread out across many hundreds of star systems linked together by a weaving network of stargates.
The main gameplay concept is that the players create the complex interactions that fuel a top-level game world. Everything within the established world is controlled by the players, from factional control of star systems spanning across large (often player-owned) empires, to resource gathering, processing, and production. As you are dealing with other players, the game is unpredictable, complex on many varying levels and exciting to both observe and participate in.
There is no cradling of new players, unlike in other games where there is usually a whole plethora of safeguards and measures to prevent the abuse of younger, less experienced players. You learn in EVE by your experiences, acquaintances, and through your personal actions.
[i]In my opinion it is the best MMO available amongst today's large selection, and I aim to give players a place to discuss EVE in this thread as well as encourage more people to join and play in this incredibly large and complex game universe.[/i] -PajamaSam
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The Amarr, a monotheistic theocratic empire, were the first of the playable races to rediscover faster-than-light travel. Armed with this new technology and the strength of their faith in their god, the Amarr expanded their empire by conquering and enslaving several races, including the Minmatar race, who had only just begun colonizing other planets.Generations later after the battle between the Amarr Empire and the Jove Directorate, many Minmatar took the opportunity to escape and successfully rebelled against their enslavers, and formed their own government in the Eve Online universe. However, much of their populace remains enslaved by the Amarr.
Both the Gallente and Caldari are business oriented peoples, however, the Gallente value free markets and entrepreneurship whereas the Caldari practice a form of corporatism or state capitalism. The Gallente Federation attracts many immigrants; a third of the Gallente Federation's population consists of ethnic Minmatars.
The Jovians (currently a non-playable race) were colonists, too. Unlike the other races of Eve Online, they maintained use of their technology after the collapse of the wormhole and did not need to spend millennia rediscovering it, and while the other four major races were still grounded, Jovian history saw two periods of empire. They expanded outward and eventually turned to genetic engineering in order to mold themselves into a people more suited for deep-space life and long-range interstellar exploration. Genetic experimentation, however, eventually led to the deadly "Jovian Disease", which, despite their extremely advanced technology, crippled their civilization. They now inhabit a region of space supposedly inaccessible to outsiders.
In addition to different backgrounds and histories, each of the races have characteristic philosophies of starship design.
Minmatar ships tend to be fast and use projectile weapons such as artillery or autocannons; Amarr ships are usually slow, heavily armored, and use laser weaponry;
Gallente ships are often well-armored and specialize in drones and short-ranged particle and ion blasters, and mount railguns for combat at greater distances;
Caldari ships are typically poorly armored but very well-shielded, and use missiles and railguns.[/quote]
So you picked your race, but that's not the end of the choices you can make, as you go on to choose a bloodline for your character. Important? Not anymore. These were used to determine what skills/attributes that you started with, but now they really just change what you look like. The character customization in EVE is probably the best for all-out different player looks. You can edit the facial features with multiple options for each, edit the angle, the way your character is looking, the background, the lighting, tattoos and decals, hats, hair, etc. The choices are virtually endless.
There are essentially no rules in Eve, you can grief, steal, deceive, scam and swindle your way to victory and/or riches. You don't get banned if you swindle some cash out of some poor unsuspecting fellow's hand, as long as you didn't hack his account or exploit the game to your advantage to do so. Real-money-trading is not allowed, and CCP Bans thousands of accounts per year for buying in-game assets with real-world money.
[i]This is a feature I love in EVE, it's not some pansy game where you can whine to a GM if you're scammed because if you're too stupid to realize someone offering to double your ISK is a scam, you truly deserve to be scammed to be honest.[/i]-PajamaSam
Infiltrating corps is also completely fair game. There have been hundreds of billions of ISK lost and hundreds of players betrayed through unsecured corporate holdings subject to theft by members.
There are hundreds of different skills within the EVE universe, these are incredibly varied and anyone can train any skill as long as they have the prerequisites needed to train them.
Skills come under the following groups, for which I offer an explanation.
[indent]Corporation Management - Skills at managing corporations, allowing you eventually run 10000+ member corps. Includes skills required for Anchoring structures.
Drones - Skills at drone control, allowing you to control more, faster drones in combat (or mining).
Electronics - Skills at electronics, allowing use of jammers, targeters and other advanced electronic warfare.
Engineering - Skills at shield operation mainly, allowing you to use resistance boosting fields and such.
Gunnery - Skills at guns of all kinds, allows you access Tech II guns which do a lot more damage at higher rates.
Industry - Skills at industry, allowing you to carebear your way to large sums of money through mining.
Leadership - Skills at leading and enhancing fleets, allowing you to eventually command hundred-man fleets.
Learning - Skills at learning, does nothing other than speed up training times.
Mechanic - Skills allowing you to utilize advanced armor boosting devices.
Missiles - Skills to do with all aspects of missile-assisted-destruction.
Navigation - Skills with navigation, allowing your ship to utilize speed boosters and be more agile.
Science - Skills at science, allows you to learn how to salvage wrecks and use scanners.
Social - Skills at social interaction, affecting your missions.
Spaceship Command - Skills at flying the ships of EVE, ranging from frigates to the bigger ships such as titans.
Subsystems - Skills at subsystems, which control the workings of Tech3 Ships (lategame).
Trade - Skills to do with trading, allowing players to handle transactions better.[/indent]
All skills affect some statistic, so even the basic skills will be giving you very useful boosts (ie 10% shield per level).
Skills are trained to a maximum of level 5 and often unlock more advanced skills with their completion.
There is so much choice in EVE and best of all it's completely up to you from the very start about what you want to do with your character, though your true niche will not be apparent immediately.
An essential tool for planning skills, EVEMon allows you to set a ship you want and it tells you what to train in what order and if it can be sped up at all using learning skills. (Link to D/L at the bottom)
EVE is [I]not[/I] a Flight-Sim.
Double click anywhere in space to move there, navigate longer distances by right clicking, selecting where you want to move and hitting 'warp to', control your speed using the bar at the bottom. Ctrl-click something on overview to lock onto it and blast away using the bar at the bottom (or your F1-F10 keys).
It's confusing at first and may take a few days to get used to, but it's truly simple after you've given it a real go.
Missions are a significant part of EVE. They allow new players to easily make money and also allow long time players to build faction standings and do harder missions for much larger rewards. Missions consist of asking an agent in a station for a mission and then receiving an objective. Upon Completion, you will receive a set amount of money, and an amount of Loyalty Points (LP) for the specific faction. These LP can be used to buy faction-upgraded items and ships that can be some of the best and most expensive, though relatively cost-effective, modules in the game.
Nearly all stations contain mission-giving agents of some kind, but they will not all be available to you from the start. Loved by many, hated by some, missions will always be there. It's entirely possible to play the game without ever touching a single mission at any point, a lot of players do this.
There are some sub-factions that are preferred for missions, but most will give you the same rewards and access to the same Loyalty Point stores.
Corporations are groups of players who form a corp, you get a lot of logo customization as well as member control related to ranks and such. Corporations usually run between 10 and 400 members, though some corporations have historically hovered between 1000-3000 members.
Alliances are formed from multiple corporations. They are often very large and powerful, yet somewhat more loosely connected. They often engage in alliance warfare, fighting over territory in low-sec/0.0 space, and will branch out their efforts to cover multiple genres of EVE, to accommodate their more varied playerbase.
The current map of which alliance owns what Nullsec space is here:
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That map automatically updates on a daily basis and it changes significantly.
The industry in EVE is thriving and a potential gold mine for miners and industrialists alike, you can play the entire game this way without engaging in combat or even touching a combat ship or ship module, but it is considered by many to be relatively boring and more of a side-operation to normal mission running and PVE/PVP.
[i]...but I believe this would get somewhat boring rather quickly. Despite my own thoughts on this, there are literally thousands of players who do nothing but shoot at rocks all day and sell whatever comes out.[/i]-PajamaSam
[i]...but you can make the same money doing missions, the skills for which will also allow you to do PVP in the future when you get bored/have enough money.[/i]-Bulaba0
A very common method however, is for players to train their desired combat skills first, and also train up for a retriever, the medium mining barge. The retriever is a cheap (<5million ISK) and very skill-time-efficient (10-16 days) mining vessel. This proves very useful in corporation and alliance work, when everyone who chips in their time helps the entire alliance gather resources for capital ships, stations, and large-scale manufacturing.
A very important note: [B]Industrial Ships CANNOT be trained on trial accounts. Mining Barges CANNOT be trained on trial accounts.[/B] This is done to prevent macro-mining trial accounts run by Real-Money-Traders.
Exploration is a wonderful thing in EVE online, and it is typically how many players spend a lot of their time now days. Exploration consists of utilizing probes (alien to a lot of players) to find sites which are completely invisible to people without probes.
Scanned sites can be a variety of things, like rare mining deposits, archaeological sites (where special, rare and expensive items can be obtained), areas where rats lurk (more difficult than basic mission rats), and of course wormholes.
It's a lot of fun to run such sites and they often become increasingly difficult as you move throughout the stages of them (you can also get special missions known as 'Escalations' which take you to dangerous and hostile places to get rare faction and deadspace loot).
It's also very profitable if you loot and salvage everything you kill.
[U]Wormhole space[/U] was recently added to EVE, it is basically areas of space separate from the main regions, accessible through wormholes that open and close in random places between eachother and standard space regularly. You can easily be lost in space inside a wormhole if you are without probes, which can result in the loss of your ship and pod as you would not be able to locate an exit.
Corporations can set up starbases by the moons within wormholes, providing a safe haven from which to mine rare ores available within wormholes, and to kill sleepers, incredibly difficult enemies with great rewards, components used to make the recently-added Tech 3 Strategic Cruisers.
The market in EVE is consistently changing, based on a real world escrow model. On the market you can place a buy order for a certain good, then when someone drops by and hits the 'sell' button, you'll pay out however much you offered and receive the item.
Alternatively you can just grab the lowest priced item on the market from the "Selling" portion of the panel, which will be yours immediately.
On the other end of the scale, you could put an item on for slightly less than the lowest price and make in some cases double what you would have got if you'd just hit the 'sell' button and sold it to the highest buyer.
Obviously the drawbacks of listing your item is that someone could rush in to drop their prices and thus beat you at your own game and also that the money/item from listing a buy or sell order might not immediately go through and you may have to wait days.
As I said it is entirely real in it's function, players within the industrial market consistently mine ores to produce and supply ammo/modules/ships to the trigger happy non-industry players who are more than willing to pay large sums for it.
It is entirely possible to employ real world tactics to make the market work in your favor no matter how devious they may be. IE: Take a small loss to drive the price of an item down 20%, then buy up all the low priced items and resell them +10%.
Player versus player combat is wonderful in EVE and is orchestrated through the system security rating which EVE uses.
Systems go from Nullsec (Outlaw) (0.0) to low-security (0.1 - 0.4) to high-security (0.5 - 1.0), and each represents how much security is provided in system.
You can potentially attack anyone anywhere at any time. However:
If the system is 0.5 or above, CONCORD (in-game NPC police) will send a response force consisting of immensely powerful ships to destroy you in seconds. This doesn't however make it impossible to do so, it's been known that small ships like frigates carrying expensive cargo have been destroyed by groups en-route to their destinations in high sec (resulting in the destruction of the attacker's ships), but so that a ship who didn't engage in combat can nip in and attempt to retrieve whatever the ship was carrying.
If the system is under 0.5, anyone can attack anyone else at any time and any place. This will not result in CONCORD presence. Engaging targets here will get you shot by the gate and station guns and also degrades your characters security status, which goes down to -10.
Entering 0.4 before you know what you are doing is essentially suicide. Doing so when you do know what you are doing is still very dangerous, but you can bypass a lot of the danger through using fast or cloaked ships. The danger lies when pirates sit on gates waiting for hapless players to come through from other systems, and then when you surface, they blow you up.
0.0 (null-sec), is relatively difficult to get to from the high-sec systems (usually a few jumps through low sec), here things are no holds are barred, no security-penalties, and bode home to the large alliances and huge capital ships that are deployed in combat between the large, warring player factions.
Wormholes are also 0.0, but are slightly different, there is no local chat so there is an element of surprise when you have to rely on your ship's directional scanner to see who is in there with you. (It Doesn't show cloaked pilots sneaking up on you, however >:))
Ships in EVE are incredibly varied and distinct. The smallest are frigate class ships which are fast and agile, slightly larger are cruisers with their many variations. A step up from this is the battlecruiser, opting for slightly slower speed but larger armor and shield amounts. The largest sub-capital ships are battleships, which are slow and 'fat', with high armor and large, powerful weapons. Capital ships are immensely tanked, serve a specialized role and are very expensive, usually reserved for nullsec warfare and for incredibly experienced pilots.
Before saying 'what, only 5 ships???' bear in mind that each race has a set of each type of ship and there's many variants on the standard class. For example as well as the standard 'frigate', you've also got deviations such as covert ops, assault ships, logistics, interceptors, destroyers and more. They all bring some unique aspect or other to the playing field with various specialties and abilities.
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Thank you Pajamasam, and all others from the previous OP's.[/U][/b]
[U]There is no Facepunch Corporation.[/U]
Seriously, "FP Corp?" Is considered spam, trolling, and asshat-ery in the thread. Unless you mean to have a legitimate discussion about it.
Little early, don't you think?
[QUOTE=scout1;25947644]Little early, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
4990/5001, iirc. If not, I goof'd.
Still could've waited 'till the other one was locked, but that's fine too I guess.
it would go to 5002 and not 5000
[QUOTE=demonguard;25947847]it would go to 5002 and not 5000[/QUOTE]
It's 5000 [b]replies[/b], and I think I hit reply right as it was closing. Usually caps at 5001 posts.
I don't want to listen to people raging hard about someone haxxing eachother.
[quote]I know you guys are too high on your horses to answer, but where do you find talocan ships? they look interesting to fight. [/quote]
iirc, they are only found as wrecks in wormhole sites where they can be salvaged/analyzed for T3 BPCs.
I'm pretty sure those are archeology sites, but by all means I've never delved into that.
Nice thread but remove the subtitle before it's too late thanks
I like that GIF :D.
If it's possible, add me to list of people who can give extended trials.
So, I guess I'm in the market for a new corp, any suggestions?
I already offered, you prick! :argh:
Well, the last thread sure ended weird. The new title is good though.
[QUOTE=PajamaSam;25948968]Well, the last thread sure ended weird. The new title is good though.[/QUOTE]
Did you take care of her in the FP channel, or are we keeping her as a pet?
[QUOTE=scout1;25948977]Did you take care of her in the FP channel, or are we keeping her as a pet?[/QUOTE]
I wasn't logged on when anything went on. So no, unless Bulaba0 did something.
You were logged in, I even sent you a private convo?
Training Cruisers V at the moment, pivotal point in my skill tree, continue on to a Rook or diverge to a Tengu? They will take roughly the same amount of time, give or take a day.
That depends. How much ISK are you willing to drop and what do you want to use the Tengu for?
[QUOTE=Wolfmatyr;25949159]Training Cruisers V at the moment, pivotal point in my skill tree, continue on to a Rook or diverge to a Tengu? They will take roughly the same amount of time, give or take a day.[/QUOTE]
I personally would go for a tengu first, that is one of my favorite ships but it isn't really great for pvp, if you do a lot of pve then a tengu is the way to go, for pvp though a falcon is much more worth it.
the tengu is a fucking pve death god
but only if you have the money to support one. it takes like 700m to faction fit one (which you should its fucking t3) and they chew through missiles twice as fast as any other ship
but probably chews through missions at the same rate
As much as I don't like EVE, I have this really horrible feeling of wanting to play it again. One thing I don't like though is I'm going to use an old character, so it'll look like the character has lots of SP when really he's pretty crappy.
Had to cancel my EVE subscription so I don't waste it, seeing as FUCKING DAD won't let me get Black Ops till thanksgiving break, meaning I'd lose two weeks of my EVE subscription.
Also, don't mean to derail the thread, but would you get Black Ops not knowing how it plays and go without EVE for a couple of weeks, or buy EVE and waste two weeks if Black Ops turns out to be good?
you're asking people in the EVE thread to choose another game over Eve, so ummm EVE.
[QUOTE=Jucy Pony;25952845]Also, don't mean to derail the thread, but would you get Black Ops not knowing how it plays and go without EVE for a couple of weeks, or buy EVE and waste two weeks if Black Ops turns out to be good?[/QUOTE]
I have a job so uh, both?
Plus I should be able to support my eve account with plexes if I wanted really.
[QUOTE=Mp6;25949349]I personally would go for a tengu first, that is one of my favorite ships but it isn't really great for pvp, if you do a lot of pve then a tengu is the way to go, for pvp though a falcon is much more worth it.[/QUOTE]
If flown properly with a good fit, the Tengu is awesome for PVP. I wouldn't fly it solo personally though. Well I wouldn't fly any ship that cost almost 1 bill solo anyways, just doesn't make enough sense to me.
[QUOTE=gangsta;25954217]If flown properly with a good fit, the Tengu is awesome for PVP. I wouldn't fly it solo personally though. Well I wouldn't fly any ship that cost almost 1 bill solo anyways, just doesn't make enough sense to me.[/QUOTE]
100mn AB troublemaker all the wayyyy
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