• Religion : why does it exist ?
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[QUOTE=Maucer;33724011]Well when the human got more intelligent, the mental health became more and more important. Probably every single ancient group of people have had some kind of religious beliefs. It was evolutionarry a conducive property (did I get it right?) to have them. Religion gives simple answers to hard questions, gives some people reason to live and outcome troubles.[/QUOTE] That's a common theory, but another possibility is that people attributed the world to spirits only after they invented them, and neglected to ask hard questions before they could attribute the answer to spirits. Which behavior is more common? Do people ask why something happens and then try to figure it out? Or do people draw conclusions based on what they already think?
It was likely a result of an inability to explain the world early on. "I don't know why we have night and day, therefore the the sun god did it" "I don't know why there are thunderstorms, therefore, it must be Zeus being angry at something" As humanity got more educated we replaced this kind of religious nonsense with science, real knowledge that actually works. Education, religion's worst enemy, is slowly going to replace the current wave of mythology with reality. It's not going to be overnight, but to quote Stephen Hawking: "science will win because it works". You can see they aren't going out without a fight though. Trying to get evolution removed from schools because it conflicts with their favorite myths is one example. The scary thing is that if religion still had as much power today as it did in the past, they would have no problem bringing us back to the dark ages with zero scientific progress.
I'd probably agree that early on it'd be about explaining the world, but modern religions fall in the brain washing and controlling people category.
Well, it probably stopped being about "explaining the world" after mankind started creating new technologies. It was more about morals and purposes later on. [editline]15th December 2011[/editline] just imagine the first humans, looking at the sky during a storm, they're gonna see these lightnings and think "holy shit what the fuck, that cant be normal, bro" I know that I tried to think of many explanations to things I didn't understand as a kid. They must have gone through the same process.
Religion was humanities attempt to understand their place in the universe, the world, and why they, as conscious beings, exist. But after a while humanity got twisted inside of its own attempts at understanding the universe and started to enforce rules, laws, and morals based on religion. In my opinion religion is just one of the many ways of viewing how humanity, the earth, the universe, and everything came to be. Science is, quite frankly, a more effective way of doing this. The way I can see humans existing in the best way is if religious people helped science, to use rational and logical ways of thinking to figure out if there is actually, a "God".
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;33718582]This guy wants a word with you. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Buddha_in_Sarnath_Museum_%28Dhammajak_Mutra%29.jpg/300px-Buddha_in_Sarnath_Museum_%28Dhammajak_Mutra%29.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] not a religion
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;33725559]not a religion[/QUOTE] Me, coming from a mainly Buddhist family with some Methodist Christians in-between I can confirm Buddhism is indeed, a religion. They even chant to the buddha three times a day for an hour every day.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;33725559]not a religion[/QUOTE] Something can be a religion without following a certain deity.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;33718285]As an excuse to conquer lands, torture and kill people.[/QUOTE] Don't correlate acts committed by genocidal idiots who happen to [i]justify[/i] their acts with religion with why it exists in the first place, it's plain wrong.
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;33726388]Don't correlate acts committed by genocidal idiots who happen to [i]justify[/i] their acts with religion with why it exists in the first place, it's plain wrong.[/QUOTE] it does appear to be systematic with Christianity, they started killing jews in 1400 AD if I recall and stopped in 1946. Justified in your mind or not, it make sense that a lot of Europe is now secular because they've seen what religion is used to justify. The basic idea that those who do not believe in YOUR god are inferior or worth of punishment could justify the acts to not just batshit crazy people, but the indoctrinated masses who follow the organized religion.
To answer unanswerable questions. The creation of man, love, weather, what comes after death. All of these things are things we didn't understand when religion first came into existence, and all of which are explained by religion. Then of course they did also establish morals and some basic order as well.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33727252]To answer unanswerable questions. The creation of man, love, weather, what comes after death. All of these things are things we didn't understand when religion first came into existence, and all of which are explained by religion. Then of course they did also establish morals and some basic order as well.[/QUOTE] I get what you're saying, but I take issue with the term "creation" being used there. Most religions [b]assume[/b] man, love, weather was created, and assumes something comes after death, it does so without evidence. I suppose religion is created (and it is, by humans) to answer unanswerable questions. But in the context of today I don't think that is relevant. We now have the scientific method to answer questions in a reputable way, and people are now latching on to the idea of not pretending to know the answers to those questions.
[QUOTE=fox '09;33727014]it does appear to be systematic with Christianity, they started killing jews in 1400 BC if I recall and stopped in 1946. Justified in your mind or not, it make sense that a lot of Europe is now secular because they've seen what religion is used to justify. The basic idea that those who do not believe in YOUR god are inferior or worth of punishment could justify the acts to not just batshit crazy people, but the indoctrinated masses who follow the organized religion.[/QUOTE] Wait, what? Christianity didn't exist before around 40AD. Don't just pull things out of your ass to make your point sound more dramatic
The only reason was the fear that man had about what happened after he died.
Because people are afraid to believe in themselves so they need some imaginary God to tell them what to do.
[QUOTE=lifehole;33725726]Me, coming from a mainly Buddhist family with some Methodist Christians in-between I can confirm Buddhism is indeed, a religion. They even chant to the buddha three times a day for an hour every day.[/QUOTE] Didn't Buddha say not to worship him though?
Semi-related. I showed this to a christian "friend" and he was not happy with me. [img]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384764_10150519030624434_716174433_10473704_563128860_n.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=st0rmforce;33730737]Wait, what? Christianity didn't exist before around 40AD. Don't just pull things out of your ass to make your point sound more dramatic[/QUOTE] I meant AD, perhaps before jumping to a conclusion that I was making it up. I urge you to look back at my post now that I've corrected it, and then criticize it if you will. I am talking about the inquisition and what have you and then ending in the events of WWII
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;33727252]. Then of course they did also establish morals and some basic order as well.[/QUOTE] Common misconception, we have morals because we feel empathy, which we have because we are social animals
It was, at first, a way to see beyond your capability to understand, then came Christianity, Judaism and Islam, and since then it has been a massive control scheme.
Religion was made for comfort. Simple.
Religions were created to push moral beliefs onto the people. Simply put, the creators of religions wanted people to think in a way these creators wanted them to think, whether it would be for determining what the creators think is right or wrong (such as sex before marriage) or in the hopes of creating a utopian society crafted behind the image of its creators. How would religion succeed though? It needed a reason for the people to follow these moral guidelines, and what is that usually? Life after death. The belief created that once you die in this world, your soul will still live in another place, such as heaven. I won't criticise people who are religious though, if religion makes them peaceful and gives them a meaning for life, then I'm happy for them. I could never follow a religion because I wasn't raised in to one, and I would still know deep inside the truths about the purpose of religion. This sucks for me, usually most nights it's inevitable to think about death, and how I will fade from existence, forever. It's depressing, how I would love to go to bed at night and know that if I've done good, then there's something after life for me. I wouldn't need to be afraid. Ironically, the above sentence just proves my point really. People find comfort in such a thing being life after death, and will happily follow the moral guidelines imposed to them.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;33748715][B] I could never follow a religion because I wasn't raised in to one, and I would still know deep inside the truths about the purpose of religion. This sucks for me, usually most nights it's inevitable to think about death, and how I will fade from existence, forever. It's depressing, how I would love to go to bed at night and know that if I've done good, then there's something after life for me. I wouldn't need to be afraid.[/B] [/QUOTE] You could be positively nihilistic and say: " none of this will last forever, we are all doomed to fade away from existence and all memories of us extinguished. So might as well enjoy it."
Probably because during the old times (long before christ) we were ruled by aliens who we considered as gods. Then they left but we were still used to following some higher creature, so religion was born. Now people are getting used to not serving so popularity of religion is falling.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;33747925]Religion was made for comfort. Simple.[/QUOTE] But apparently being happy with imagination is wrong. 20 threads on religion have resulted in bulk. I've found about two who are willing to peacefully discuss, but it's always an arguement. It's even more deluded than arguing about an opinion.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;33720999]So they can then call me a bad person for not believing their religion and further try to shove it down our throats when things need to be done. Ok.[/QUOTE] They aren't harming you by speaking to you. Do you support human rights only when it fits your anti-religious agenda? I believe in secularism but you have to respect all sides, otherwise you're just a biased asshole forcing your beliefs on other people, atheist or theist.
[QUOTE=AK'z;33755589]But apparently being happy with imagination is wrong. 20 threads on religion have resulted in bulk. I've found about two who are willing to peacefully discuss, but it's always an arguement. It's even more deluded than arguing about an opinion.[/QUOTE] Both religious and athiest sides have militants screaming for their ideal to be fulfilled, getting further entrenched in their opinion since they both have no common ground on which to meet, worse still they ignore most arbitrators. I hold both of the more brash members of either side in equal amount of contempt. Is the concept of complete freedom such a frightful idea that we have to force our own borders on others?
Let's say there was no religion. There will still be cults within this system. People will call themselves thinkers, some rationalists, this, that or the other. However what is failed to be noticed, is that CULTURE was pretty much invented by imaginative thinking.
[QUOTE=semite;33755769]They aren't harming you by speaking to you. Do you support human rights only when it fits your anti-religious agenda? I believe in secularism but you have to respect all sides, otherwise you're just a biased asshole forcing your beliefs on other people, atheist or theist.[/QUOTE] why should one "respect" all sides? not all beliefs are created equal. respect is something you earn, you're not entitled to it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;33756002]Let's say there was no religion. There will still be cults within this system. People will call themselves thinkers, some rationalists, this, that or the other. However what is failed to be noticed, is that CULTURE was pretty much invented by imaginative thinking.[/QUOTE] That happens everywhere already. Look at philosophy, the arts, politics and even sports. Each one of them already holds a myriad of 'cults' with their own unified opinion. For example: Pragmatists, Existensialists and Idealists in Philosophy Surrealists, Introverts and classical artists in the arts. Thing I love about humans is that we can take any idea in our head and twist, fold and refine it into not only a myriad of branching ideas, but a lifestyle, even a doctrine, by which we can choose to be a part of or not.
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