[QUOTE=Lunanite;36251328]My old school had a tech team that new what they were doing for the most part. But when it came to blocking, it was all handled through the main building's proxy service, DeepNine. Had a lot of those stupid blocks, like for "Tasteless." Communications class was a drag when you can't research abortion or gay marriage because they find those to be to unethical. Around the last quarter I just gave up using dumb proxies that were blocked by the next day, and got myself Tor on my flash drive. Gave it to 2 close friends who shared my nerdom, and used that when necessary. Going to a private school in the next year, no idea what dumb/smart system they use. Gonna keep that flash drive handy. When it comes to filtering in my old school:
* Necessary: Yes, since kids think "Why should I study when I can fap to some whore on Facebook?"
* Effective: Hardly, students find proxies every day, and they spend more time setting up the thing than looking at blocked sites, even less ever studying.
* Counter-Intuitive: When kids spend more time finding non-blocked proxies than anything else on a computer, why spend thousands of dollars on classroom laptops? Stick them in a lab that you can look over and check tabs every 2 minutes.[/QUOTE]
If the kids want to spend time setting up proxies etc then it's their choice to do so, they could be learning, but do not need, or want to.
It's necessary but it definitely isn't effective.
Tonnes of people nowadays have phones that can access the internet anyway. If they don't want to learn, they won't.
[QUOTE=Faren;36271787]It's necessary but it definitely isn't effective.
Tonnes of people nowadays have phones that can access the internet anyway. If they don't want to learn, they won't.[/QUOTE]
And it'll become a domino effect where if they're fucked in terms of getting a job, they'll raise kids doing the same ultimately leading to society's demise.
Perhaps one could make it easily turned on and off, so while the teacher is teaching he/she could turn the filter on, but when the teacher says alright guys go and do your work he/she could turn it off
My school has a boarding program, and the school was threatened by some big production company that there was a ton of pirated content going through the school's servers. It turned out that many of the out-of-state boarding students pirated nearly every piece of electronic content they had. Thus, my school now has Fortiguard filtering systems, but you can easily get around it with a proxy server.
I believe that filtering for un-educational content is fine, but my school has blocks placed on websites for things like "hate speech". Regardless of whether it's hate speech, there is a first amendment and perhaps those views may be used in arguments against them. I know I've wanted to quote more than a few websites in essays only to be blocked by the filter from viewing them.
It's definitely the best thing to do when it comes to education, but I think that lots of schools take it a bit far and block way too much of the web. Plus, quite a lot of school have technicians which have absolutely no idea how to administrate the system. I remember once they blocked Google for a week with the reason of "Pornography".
I had a huge problem with not doing work in my computer class this year, but not because I would browse the internet. I played chess in Microsoft Excel, made Animations in Powerpoint, worked out a system of standards of who I would and would not date with a combination of Excel and Access, and worked on my novel in Google Docs (which I guess [I]is[/I] using the browser but I could have done it just as easily in word) because the class bored me since I had already taken the class in middleschool (I wasn't told that I didn't have to take it if I took Computer Applications in middleschool when I signed up for classes at the beginning of the year, so the entire year was a review for me.). Since I already had the credit for it from middleschool, I pretty much spent the period as a mixture of study hall and art class. My school does have annoying filters, but they come straight from the school district (CCSD), and I can't really complain about them putting filters in for the type of students found in most of Las Vegas. It's just that [I]if a kid is bored with the work you're giving them, they're going to give themselves something else to work on.[/I]
In theory it's a good idea, but in practice there is always a back door to something or students (including myself) would find something better to do. You're better off just finding another solution to the problem instead of just filtering content.
[QUOTE=DireAvenger;34630954]It's certainly necessary. I "worked" in my old school's IT department assisting "repairs" of computers (They kept a cupboard full of HDDs with pre-installed shit). I used this time to secretly disable the custom firewall on their proxy servers, which allowed all unauthorised requests from school computers to go through.
INSTANTLY, I noticed that in my classes nobody could concentrate on their work, because they were too busy fucking around on Facebook and Youtube to actually get any work done. I quickly put the firewall back up the next day after the IT guys were informed by the teachers, and I noticed that everyone had gone back to actually completing the work again.
I can pretty much say that this proved to me that it's necessary in schools, but never in houses or in public places. Pretty much every High School student out there acts like they have a severe case of ADHD and can't completely any work at all without external assistance.[/QUOTE]
Duh. School fucking sucks. You honestly expect us to pay attention to boring shit when there's not-boring shit on our phones? That's not how people function.
i once searched "is cracking your neck bad for you" at school and got filtered, under "Hacking"
[QUOTE=prooboo;36371521]Duh. School fucking sucks. You honestly expect us to pay attention to boring shit when there's not-boring shit on our phones? That's not how people function.[/QUOTE]
yeah bring down the system!
School is there for a reason, if you don't take the incentive to use the opportunity given to you for a better future. Then it's not the schools fault its you.
As for the topic at hand, yes schools should use a internet filter. Although there are cases that the filters have blocked google images or certain search logs. It shouldn't do that, but everything else that shouldnt be done in school should be blocked
[QUOTE=Daedulas;36379856]School is there for a reason,[/quote]
School is ultimately a tool of ideology. It exists to create specialists to uphold the status quo. School presents a functionalist approach to education rather than one which encourages students to challenge society as it is and revolutionize it. School teaches us "here are the problems, solve them so we can go back to life as it was" rather than "Use these problems to give us something better than what existed before the problems"
[quote]if you don't take the incentive to use the opportunity given to you for a better future. Then it's not the schools fault its you.[/quote]
So you're saying that the structure of schooling is completely absolved from guilt even if it uses an ineffective teaching paradigm? The fault is completely on the student who is unable to function within the alien paradigm?
[quote]As for the topic at hand, yes schools should use a internet filter. Although there are cases that the filters have blocked google images or certain search logs. It shouldn't do that, but everything else that shouldn't be done in school should be blocked[/QUOTE]
Schools should be for learning. If you want to learn some thing that the school doesn't want you to learn or doesn't deem worthy enough to learn, then fuck em', they're shitty teachers who aren't making you learn, they're just instructing you.
Schools should be for learning. If you want to learn some thing that the school doesn't want you to learn or doesn't deem worthy enough to learn, then fuck em', they're shitty teachers who aren't making you learn, they're just instructing you.[/QUOTE]
Hence the "shouldnt do that". its just often a glitch which they should fix. but you didnt seem to grasp that. instead you went on a rant about "How the system is holding you back".
It's the students education, It's up to them if they want to fail in life or not.
[QUOTE=Daedulas;36395599]Hence the "shouldnt do that". its just often a glitch which they should fix. but you didnt seem to grasp that. instead you went on a rant about "How the system is holding you back".[/QUOTE]
It's not a glitch, they do indeed have filters. I'm saying they ought not have any filters at all
My school's filter closes your browser if it detects a banned keyword like youtube ON the page. Which means if a useful website has a "check out our youtube" then youre screwed. Ironically you can watch embedded videos as long as the site its on doesnt mention it.
As much as I hated them in High School, looking back, I actually agree with filters. Hacking, Porn, etc is a must in my opinion, but blocking things like Youtube, games, facebook, etc should be up to the school. Facebook and Youtube became unblocked in my last two years of high school and they didn't cause any problems at all.
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