• "Where Did the Towers Go?" - Lasers vaporized the twin towers
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[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34798749]It wasn't a man in a cave, it was a man in a cave with millions of dollars, a terrorist organization, and being able to brainwash smart people in order to fulfill his needs. [/quote] Don't say the man in a cave had millions of dollars, because for a long while it was you, the USA, that was financing and arming them, yes, the Afghans were your allies, at least while they were fighting communists. So even if im assuming it was in fact that poor schmuck, alot of the money was from your taxes to begin with. [QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34798749]Also, the hijacked planes aren't fake, and the people on board it were really terrorists, but the government still managed to put bombs in a building? :downs:[/quote] Yes? i fail to see how the two need to be related. And the hijackers have all been pointed out to have been CIA. But thats speculation aswell, or so i think, i haven't dwelled in who they were in detail, as im sure neither have you, and go by what you're told. There is already plenty of other straight up, physical evidence to work with, and that the govt refuses to look at, for one reason or another. [QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34798749]How in the fuck did they manage to place all those bombs in the first place without causing suspicion? Don't say covered up, because that's just a shitty argument to say you don't know. They would need literally thousands of charges to blow up a building that size, not to mention so much construction and maintenance that they might as well of rebuilt the building with explosives in it.[/quote] Well i worked with video surveillance for years, so in that field i can answer you promptly and out of personal experience that it is the easiest thing in the world to conceal something like that. I wouldn't care if it was an 18 wheeler coming in that place, you would have never seen it unless you were actually there to witness it. And it probably caused as much suspicion, as the govt rushing to remove all the steel from the site, 400 trucks a day, and sending it to china, did. All this while blocking any investigation. FEMA was only allowed on 2 months after. [QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34798749]Also, to re butte your claim that I am immoral and cheap, how about the douche bags from loose change who collect "donations" from people in order to insult and tell people their family was in on a conspiracy.[/quote] Well i have never seen that "loose change" either. Secondly, i don't agree with alot of the stuff going on, this topic being a clear example, where someone by the name of judy wood claims things were turned to dust when theres video evidence of them, or that jets were never even there. So what were those huge things with wings coming into the building? So for a small part of all this at least, we are in agreement. [QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34798749]How would you feel if I say your family member's death was fake or covered up, and that she was in on a conspiracy theory. I don't think you would be too happy. My condolences to your family member/loved one though.[/QUOTE] Well, again, i don't think im the right person to ask such things as i understand all about it, and those are not issues to take lightly. If anyone ever did, then theres your clue, im not a truther, or at least not a typical one by the way you describe them, nor am i after anyone. Just looking to figure out whats what, and what actually happened, or why wasn't it prevented, or...one of the other million questions NIST doesn't want to answer you.
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;34798960]You mean the planes didn't ignite the Nano-Thermite? Nano-Thermite needs a very high temperature to ignite, and it can be designed to react in different ways. It can be designed to explode or to simply melt the columns.[/QUOTE] I guess that's why the whole building collapsed on impact from ignition of the nano-termite from the massive fireball that ripped through the elevator shaft.
Brymir, you need to understand one thing In life, in general, usually the simplest explanation is always true. What is more simple. 2 massive planes loaded with fuel were hijacked and flown into buildings, causing them to collapse, OR thousands of people could keep a perfect secret and form a conspiracy, with no-major loose ends. yeah?
ITT: I'm a genius on 9/11 because I listen to [I]THEORIES[/I](Read: Not every theory is fucking right) from crackpot idiots while ignoring all logic and reason and forgetting that THERE IS FOOTAGE OF A PLANE HITTING A BUILDING, NEARLY THREE THOUSAND LIVES LOST, A MEMORIAL SITE AND FUCKING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO LOST FAMILY MEMBERS ON THAT DAY, THE FUCK MORE DO YOU WANT? God fucking damnit, those poor people are probably rolling over in their graves right this very fucking second. I'm sorry, just... Sometimes Facepunch has the attention span of a gnat on non-drowsy Sudafed. If you want to fucking argue over it, go to a conspiracy theorists forum. We should be honoring the dead with respect, not trying to pull bullshit conspiracy theories from our asses. Excuse me, I need a fucking nap. Just... fuck.
I love how people blame America for the tons of deaths that day, no we can't place bombs in buildings without at least SOMEONE who isn't a wackjob liar noticing. Second, if we were to detonate the building, how the fuck could we? We would need thousands of explosives, which we can't simply just pull out of a bag. The planes hijacked were real, and the pilots trained in my city actually, Hialeah Florida. Don't believe me? Google it. You can't fake a plane crashing into a building and pretend the people who died just vanished, no they died. And the people flying the plane were terrorists, terrorists with a deadly plan that worked. I find it hard that our country of all people think the government did it, it's amazingly hilarious. Attacking ourselves for what? Put us in debt and war? An excuse to fight? No, we didn't know jack till it happened.
[QUOTE=KarloMcMarlo;34799342]ITT: I'm a genius on 9/11 because I listen to [I]THEORIES[/I](Read: Not every theory is fucking right) from crackpot idiots while ignoring all logic and reason and forgetting that THERE IS FOOTAGE OF A PLANE HITTING A BUILDING, NEARLY THREE THOUSAND LIVES LOST, A MEMORIAL SITE AND FUCKING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WHO LOST FAMILY MEMBERS ON THAT DAY, THE FUCK MORE DO YOU WANT? God fucking damnit, those poor people are probably rolling over in their graves right this very fucking second. I'm sorry, just... Sometimes Facepunch has the attention span of a gnat on non-drowsy Sudafed. If you want to fucking argue over it, go to a conspiracy theorists forum. We should be honoring the dead with respect, not trying to pull bullshit conspiracy theories from our asses. Excuse me, I need a fucking nap. Just... fuck.[/QUOTE] It really makes your blood boil doesn't it?
[QUOTE=Glitchman;34799261]Brymir, you need to understand one thing In life, in general, usually the simplest explanation is always true. What is more simple. 2 massive planes loaded with fuel were hijacked and flown into buildings, causing them to collapse, OR thousands of people could keep a perfect secret and form a conspiracy, with no-major loose ends. yeah?[/QUOTE] Well i would start by telling ya that one of them never even saw a plane, but then i just repeat myself and i end up coming to terms on how most don't even read/watch/pay attention. So in a sense, we are in agreement. I will let everyone keep their simple stories and move out of your, and everyones way. Have a good one :)
[QUOTE=Brymir;34799446]Well i would start by telling ya that one of them never even saw a plane, but then i just repeat myself and i end up coming to terms on how most don't even read/watch/pay attention. [/QUOTE] So are you saying you'd keep arguing but you know if you did you'd start to disprove yourself?
[QUOTE=Brymir;34799446]Well i would start by telling ya that one of them never even saw a plane, but then i just repeat myself and i end up coming to terms on how most don't even read/watch/pay attention. So in a sense, we are in agreement. I will let everyone keep their simple stories and move out of your, and everyones way. Have a good one :)[/QUOTE] Translation: "I'm an ego-maniac, and I can't be wrong. So I will assume I am always right and won't even for a second rationalize it was terrorists."
I'm more surprised a publisher said "Yep all good" and didn't stop to use his own brain.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;34799435]I love how people blame America for the tons of deaths that day, no we can't place bombs in buildings without at least SOMEONE who isn't a wackjob liar noticing. Second, if we were to detonate the building, how the fuck could we? We would need thousands of explosives, which we can't simply just pull out of a bag. The planes hijacked were real, and the pilots trained in my city actually, Hialeah Florida. Don't believe me? Google it. You can't fake a plane crashing into a building and pretend the people who died just vanished, no they died. And the people flying the plane were terrorists, terrorists with a deadly plan that worked. I find it hard that our country of all people think the government did it, it's amazingly hilarious. Attacking ourselves for what? Put us in debt and war? An excuse to fight? No, we didn't know jack till it happened.[/QUOTE] We're having to repeat ourselves alot, we never said the planes were fake. If most of the explosives/nano-thermite were in the elevator shafts around the inner core columns, how would people have seen them there? They wouldn't. As for the US attacking itself? you need to look at "false flags", the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident"]Gulf of Tonkin Incident[/URL] is now admitted it was a false flag so they could invade Vietnam. So why would they attack themselves on 9/11? so they can invade Iraq.
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;34803289]We're having to repeat ourselves alot, we never said the planes were fake. If most of the explosives/nano-thermite were in the elevator shafts around the inner core columns, how would people have seen them there? They wouldn't. As for the US attacking itself? you need to look at "false flags", the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident"]Gulf of Tonkin Incident[/URL] is now admitted it was a false flag so they could invade Vietnam. So why would they attack themselves on 9/11? so they can invade Iraq.[/QUOTE] So they would kill themselves to invade a country? I am shocked, those people that died are now just told to be killed for fake reasons? No, they were attacked by terrorists that knew their shit. The pilots were TRAINED in America, and they attacked the towers with that knowledge.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;34803495]So they would kill themselves to invade a country? I am shocked, those people that died are now just told to be killed for fake reasons? No, they were attacked by terrorists that knew their shit. The pilots were TRAINED in America, and they attacked the towers with that knowledge.[/QUOTE] Says the "official theory".
What I'd like to know is how a country that couldn't even hide that there were [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair]no WMD's in Iraq without a CIA agent exposing it,[/url] would be able to keep something 100 times bigger, and 100 times more difficult to cover up, under wraps.
[QUOTE=The Vman;34804492]What I'd like to know is how a country that couldn't even hide that there were [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair]no WMD's in Iraq without a CIA agent exposing it,[/url] would be able to keep something 100 times bigger, and 100 times more difficult to cover up, under wraps.[/QUOTE] Well I've been thinking about that before too, I honestly don't know and I haven't looked into that side much. I've primarily focused on the WTC complex.
Oh god this thread's still going. I don't want to get involved, my blood pressure can't take it. We've had threads on this before, the same bullshit gets posted only to get knocked down. Please just search and read those ones instead. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] Oh wait, never mind, seems the old threads got disappeared yet again. [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] No wait, found one of them [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1000984[/url] [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1007901[/url] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/998979[/url] That's the 3 major threads relating to this debate we've had that I can still remember (or can actually bloody find with the finicky search tools available) [editline]22nd February 2012[/editline] You can also find any number of sites on the Internet containing archives of info and lists of relevant sites to debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories, but of course the inherent fault with them is that only the choir will listen to them preach; conspiracy theorists tend to have their minds made up and consider contrary evidence to be false, whether government-planted or otherwise.
Brymir, Techno-man, shut the fuck up and get the fuck out. No, i'm not going to debate this. If you seriously fucking believe that [I]our own government[/I] killed thousands of people to start a war that then killed many thousands more, you need mental fucking help. Fuck, you people make me sick.
[QUOTE=Dan2593;34800254]I'm more surprised a publisher said "Yep all good" and didn't stop to use his own brain.[/QUOTE] There's big money in insane controversial books. Paranoid truthers will worship it like a bible, and plenty of debunkers will buy it just to disprove/burn it.
Why do they never reply to questions about the motive? Techno, Brymir, please explain to me why they would want to invade Iraq. What was gained by invading Iraq? What did George Bush and Cheney gain? Who at all in the government gained anything by invading Iraq or Afghanistan? I'm guessing they won't reply to this question at all.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34812850]Why do they never reply to questions about the motive? [B] Techno, Brymir, please explain to me why they would want to invade Iraq. What was gained by invading Iraq? What did George Bush and Cheney gain? Who at all in the government gained anything by invading Iraq or Afghanistan?[/B] I'm guessing they won't reply to this question at all.[/QUOTE] Fun fact: Oil shipments to the US did not noticeably increase following the invasion.
[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;34812850]Why do they never reply to questions about the motive? Techno, Brymir, please explain to me why they would want to invade Iraq. What was gained by invading Iraq? What did George Bush and Cheney gain? Who at all in the government gained anything by invading Iraq or Afghanistan? I'm guessing they won't reply to this question at all.[/QUOTE] Perhaps because we're being told to shut up and get out, we've posted the facts and just end up repeating ourselves. As Canuhearme? said, Oil is one of the motives. Huge business for the arms market when there are wars happening too, there's another motive. And I guess everyone just ignored the mention of The Gulf of Tonkin incident, no-one ever acknowledges that.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;34812907]Fun fact: Oil shipments to the US did not noticeably increase following the invasion.[/QUOTE] That's because they shipped it through the secret underground tubes! Lined with nano-thermite!
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;34813133]Perhaps because we're being told to shut up and get out, we've posted the facts and just end up repeating ourselves. [B]As Canuhearme? said, Oil is one of the motives. Huge business for the arms market when there are wars happening too, there's another motive.[/B] And I guess everyone just ignored the mention of The Gulf of Tonkin incident, no-one ever acknowledges that.[/QUOTE] Wait what, that's not what I was suggesting at all. One of the clear indicators that we were "invading for the oil" would be a large increase in Iraqi oil exports to the United States, that never happened.
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;34813133]Perhaps because we're being told to shut up and get out, we've posted the facts and just end up repeating ourselves. As Canuhearme? said, Oil is one of the motives. Huge business for the arms market when there are wars happening too, there's another motive. And I guess everyone just ignored the mention of The Gulf of Tonkin incident, no-one ever acknowledges that.[/QUOTE] The Gulf of Tonkin had a purpose and motive for staging. There was no benefit for the U.S. government to attack itself in order to engage in a pointless, result less, expensive war that destroyed the reputation of the nation. The invasion of Iraq was not even a decision made by the U.S. government. It was a U.N. resolution in which many other nations engaged in, and it was not caused by 9/11. Saddam was never suspected of harboring terrorists or taking any action against the U.S. Why would the government kills thousands of its own people in order to cause the invasion of a completely irrelevant and unrelated nation? As said before, nothing at all was gained by invading Iraq OR Afghanistan. We didn't get any oil contracts, and we didn't stop Saddam from cutting off our oil (he wasn't going to and he don't even get much oil from Iraq, the vast majority comes from Saudi Arabia. Wouldn't invading Saudi Arabia be a much smarter move? The terrorists were Saudis, and they have all the oil there. Why wouldn't we stage the attacks to invade them?) Speaking if the Gulf of Tonkin incident, why wouldn't the conspirators just park some ships close to Iraq and stage another naval engagement if they were so desperate to invade? Wouldn't that make a lot more sense instead of staging a massive conspiracy that required the cooperation of hundreds if not thousands of people? Staging a naval attack would only require one person: a radar operator who could fake the attacks with "ghost ships", just like Tonkin. And now, we have a beaten economy and a weary nation that is questioning its politicians more than ever. In what way did anyone benefit form the War on Terror? Defense companies have not increased their production by any sizable margin. Our army size is shrinking. We are closing down bases around the world. What did we gain? Either there was no conspiracy, or the conspirators really fucked up somewhere.
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