• Comunism-Will it come Back?
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[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34250464]most of them are senate approved. And they still aren't doing anything communist like.[/QUOTE] Speaking of which, I've yet to hear how they're moving anything towards Communism. Unless they're pushing for collective ownership of the means of production or abolition of the state, then they certainly aren't.
[QUOTE=The Knights;34249106] Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34250431]Well hold on now. You said just a moment ago that the president flat out CANNOT appoint ambassadors. Czars are sometimes confirmed by the Senate, sometimes not.[/QUOTE] The president can NOT appoint them by himself. That is what I meant. I am stating that Obama is bending the law by appointing czars that work as ambassadors.
[QUOTE=The Knights;34250663]The president can NOT appoint them by himself. That is what I meant. I am stating that Obama is bending the law by appointing czars that work as ambassadors.[/QUOTE] Right, so I understand that. However, now we need to address your other assertion: How are these czars moving America towards an imperial presidency and moving us towards Communism? Saying I should go read a book does not fly in a debate, you need to at least cite text from the book if you believe it's credible.
The book shows the examples that I would like to show you here but simply can't. You won't understand anything I am trying to say without knowing what the book says. This debate would be easier if it were about the book, but it's not. Perhaps we can agree to disagree for the time being.
[QUOTE=The Knights;34250977]The book shows the examples that I would like to show you here but simply can't. You won't understand anything I am trying to say without knowing what the book says. This debate would be easier if it were about the book, but it's not. Perhaps we can agree to disagree for the time being.[/QUOTE] If you aren't willing to substantiate your position with citations, then you don't have a leg to stand on. Book or no book, it's the way a debate works.
I couldn't agree more.
relax guys I think he may be KKK.
When I read this thread, I see that approximately only half the people here know what communism is . the other half appear to believe that communism = a form of dictatorship. facepalm *9999
Communism wasn't an ideology of imprisoning people. Communism was an ideology that government can work in the efforts of it's people. It's the idea we have corrupted. And we're actually still scared of it. Just like everybody was scared of it and it's controversy in the Cold era.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34253622]Communism wasn't an ideology of imprisoning people. Communism was an ideology that government can work in the efforts of it's people. It's the idea we have corrupted. And we're actually still scared of it. Just like everybody was scared of it and it's controversy in the Cold era.[/QUOTE] Marxism advocates for the abolition of the state after the workers own the means of production (among other things).
I'm talking about the ideology behind conflict theory. I'm not talking about Marxism or any other political platforms Conflict theory is about CLASS WARFARE. I believe that CLASS WARFARE can be acknowledged on the FEDERAL level. [img]http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9836/screenshot2012011701000.png[/img] The definition federalism is democracy compatible. CLASS WARFARE is taught in colleges, and it's why our youth is the way it is. So you better thank god somebody is acknowledging reality.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34253765]I'm talking about the ideology behind conflict theory. I'm not talking about Marxism or any other political platforms Conflict theory is about CLASS WARFARE. I believe that CLASS WARFARE can be acknowledged on the FEDERAL level. [img]http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9836/screenshot2012011701000.png[/img] The definition federalism is democracy compatible. CLASS WARFARE is taught in colleges, and it's why our youth is the way it is. So you better thank god somebody is acknowledging reality.[/QUOTE] I was addressing this bit: "Communism was an ideology that government can work in the efforts of it's people." And what do you mean by "class warfare is taught in colleges" and who is it that is acknowledging reality?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34254080]I was addressing this bit: "Communism was an ideology that government can work in the efforts of it's people." And what do you mean by "class warfare is taught in colleges" and who is it that is acknowledging reality?[/QUOTE] I LEARNED ALL OF THIS IN MY FUCKING COLLEGE SOCIOLOGY CLASS. EDUCATION SAVES PEOPLE. STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT. -.- nuff said. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is NOT how you debate - Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254122]I LEARNED ALL OF THIS IN MY FUCKING COLLEGE SOCIOLOGY CLASS. EDUCATION SAVES PEOPLE. STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT. -.- nuff said.[/QUOTE] lmao i have a hard time believing you took a real sociology class
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254122]I LEARNED ALL OF THIS IN MY FUCKING COLLEGE SOCIOLOGY CLASS. EDUCATION SAVES PEOPLE. STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that education is unimportant, I can't even understand what you're trying to say.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_conflict[/url] Can you guys please tell me that where the hell I'm wrong. You continue to call me "mentally incapable" in this thread and the 2 others. Inform me. Please. Once again. I don't support Communism. I support the idea that if there's 2 people, one of them is taking advantage of the other. [url]http://www.mittvmitt.com/[/url] The peoples mockery of the wall street movement only advocated one thing: THE MOCKERY OF FREE SPEECH IN PROGRESS. If free speech is mocked in news, then who's tell the truth anymore. [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lazor;34254127]lmao i have a hard time believing you took a real sociology class[/QUOTE] yeah, i actually aced it. i can post proof.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254122]I LEARNED ALL OF THIS IN MY FUCKING COLLEGE SOCIOLOGY CLASS. EDUCATION SAVES PEOPLE. STOP BEING SUCH A FUCKING IDIOT. -.- nuff said.[/QUOTE] "I took one sociology class and now I'm an expert on politics and economic ideologies."
Socialism -> More than likely yes. Communism -> Definitely not. If you want an example why, compare many of the fairly Socialist countries like Japan or The Netherlands, to the extreme communist Best Korea.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254155][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_conflict[/url] Can you guys please tell me that where the hell I'm wrong. You continue to call me "mentally incapable" in this thread and the 2 others. Inform me. Please. Once again. I don't support Communism. I support the idea that if there's 2 people, one of them is taking advantage of the other. [url]http://www.mittvmitt.com/[/url][/quote] I'm not calling you mentally incapable, I just can't understand your posts. They're pretty incoherent. [QUOTE=Scoooby;34254155]The peoples mockery of the wall street movement only advocated one thing: THE MOCKERY OF FREE SPEECH IN PROGRESS. If free speech is mocked in news, then who's tell the truth anymore.[/QUOTE] Who are you thinking of as 'the people'? I know Fox and CNN mocked OWS, but I can think of other organizations that gave it fairer treatment, like MSNBC or The Young Turks. [editline]16th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34254208]Socialism -> More than likely yes. Communism -> Definitely not. If you want an example why, compare many of the fairly Socialist countries like Japan or The Netherlands, to the extreme communist Best Korea.[/QUOTE] I've said it before and I'll say it again, North Korea is not Communist. The workers do not own the means of production and the state is totalitarian, not gone. Japan as well can hardly be described as a 'socialist' country, because they too do not have cooperative ownership of industry.
[QUOTE=Combin0wnage;34254208]Socialism -> More than likely yes. Communism -> Definitely not. If you want an example why, compare many of the fairly Socialist countries like Japan or The Netherlands, to the extreme communist Best Korea.[/QUOTE] Japan is socialist? Does no one know the difference between communism, socialism, and mixed markets?
[QUOTE=The Kakistocrat;34254222]Japan is socialist? Does no one know the difference between communism, socialism, and mixed markets?[/QUOTE] Apparently so.
you two are cute. [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;34254210]I'm not calling you mentally incapable, I just can't understand your posts. They're pretty incoherent. Who are you thinking of as 'the people'? I know Fox and CNN mocked OWS, but I can think of other organizations that gave it fairer treatment, like MSNBC or The Young Turks. [editline]16th January 2012[/editline] I've said it before and I'll say it again, North Korea is not Communist. The workers do not own the means of production and the state is totalitarian, not gone. Japan as well can hardly be described as a 'socialist' country, because they too do not have cooperative ownership of industry.[/QUOTE] Umm, are you supposing I'm not for MSNBC or The Young Turks or however this modern society wants to vocalize the same message I am? Oh my god. Our society is becoming aware of the top 1%. And it's what is driving Ron Paul right now. Is that realization. Quote me.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254367]Umm, are you supposing I'm not for MSNBC or The Young Turks or however this modern society wants to vocalize the same message I am? Oh my god. Our society is becoming aware of the top 1%. And it's what is driving Ron Paul right now. Is that realization. Quote me.[/QUOTE] You think awareness of wealth inequality is what drives Ron Paul? I'm well aware of it and would love to see someone combat it, but Ron Paul is not that someone.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34254723]You think awareness of wealth inequality is what drives Ron Paul? I'm well aware of it and would love to see someone combat it, but Ron Paul is not that someone.[/QUOTE] Then who is? Nobody. Because no fucking federal funding is being put into the campaigning OF REAL PATRIOTS. Because CONSUMERISM (once again) controls MEDIA. The internet is there to defraud everything corrupting the US.
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254794]Then who is? Nobody. Because no fucking federal funding is being put into the campaigning OF REAL PATRIOTS. Because CONSUMERISM (once again) controls MEDIA. The internet is there to defraud everything corrupting the US.[/QUOTE] All campaigns should be publicly funded, patriot or not.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34254845]All campaigns should be publicly funded, patriot or not.[/QUOTE] Any campaign for a new fucking idea is a good campaign IMO!
[QUOTE=Scoooby;34254890]Any campaign for a new fucking idea is a good campaign IMO![/QUOTE] Well they should at least be good ideas.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;34254907]Well they should at least be good ideas.[/QUOTE] People are moved by movements. Gay Rights are like the fucking eye candy of society. But it's "important" in the eyes of Wall Street, who endorse classes never realizing they've never been oppressed in the first place. Oh and they also endorse the repeated debates of these issues. Because nobody's pointing them out. Romney is 1%. Obama is 1%. We are the 99%. Oppressing the occupy wallstreet movement is oppressing legitimate public concerns. And I hear fucking factory workers telling "those losers to get a job". I worked in a factory temporarily with my parents. And all of those factory workers and my parents are watching bullshit television. Yet we have internet access. Internet is the embodiment of world opinion. Intellectualism is the key.
No. Communism has been an utter failure for every nation or community that has ever attempted it. They always follow a very similar cycle: mass deprivation and starvation, then rapid growth, then stalling and collapse or stagnation, necessitating the introduction of market reforms after which the country ceases to be "communist". And yes there have been many attempts at communism, even though you might claim that "they were never true communists!" it has become apparent through the thousands of people who supported it and attempted it that yes, those were actual attempts at communism, you are talking about something else.
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