• Anonymity on the web
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Well we are basically seeing that more and more websites are making people use Facebook to comment on them as well as things like the whole blizzard real id incident on the forums The debate Should anonymity be a internet right or should it be slowly phased out and replaced with real names? sorry if it isn't good debate :[
I think a person should always have a right to anonymity, online or not.
The Internet as we know it will die if we'll be forced to use our real names. That and IRL crime rate will grow sky high since everyone will be able to look up information about everyone. "Son, I've seen what forums do you post on and what do you post, you're not allowed in our house anymore" "Hey let's mock this kid for liking the game/movie/band/football team we don't like" "you said bad things about <political figure> so I'm gonna burn your house down" etc I'm probably exaggerating a bit but this can't be good for anyone
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;32379206]The Internet as we know it will die if we'll be forced to use our real names. That and IRL crime rate will grow sky high since everyone will be able to look up information about everyone.[/QUOTE] That wont happen. Law Enforcement takes people's information seriously. Publicly, you cant find anything about the person unless they, themselves have posted it.
A problem with anonymity however is it allows criminals and criminal organisations to work over the internet more easily than without it. (Paedophile rings being one result.)
[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;32377920] Should anonymity be a internet right or should it be slowly phased out and replaced with real names? sorry if it isn't good debate :[[/QUOTE] I would absolutely despise having to use our real names, since that would essentially make the internet one, huge social network. But most importantly, we wouldn't have our confidence, nor our freedom. Anonymity is crucial, it makes the internet what it is.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;32379206]The Internet as we know it will die if we'll be forced to use our real names. That and IRL crime rate will grow sky high since everyone will be able to look up information about everyone. "Son, I've seen what forums do you post on and what do you post, you're not allowed in our house anymore" "Hey let's mock this kid for liking the game/movie/band/football team we don't like" "you said bad things about <political figure> so I'm gonna burn your house down" etc I'm probably exaggerating a bit but this can't be good for anyone[/QUOTE] Kids being mocked for their preferences isn't anything new but I think you're wrong about being forced to use real names for everything, for instance look at when Blizzard announced that they were going to use real names on the forums, people were in a uproar about it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32379315]A problem with anonymity however is it allows criminals and criminal organisations to work over the internet more easily than without it. (Paedophile rings being one result.)[/QUOTE] You sound like some right winged mother.
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32379349]You sound like some right winged mother.[/QUOTE] It is true however, the internet is an unregulated mess in which anything may happen.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32379387]It is true however, the internet is an unregulated mess in which [b]anything may happen.[/b][/QUOTE] I can't physically hurt you through the internet I wish I could though.
having the right to anonymity is not the right to abuse it.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;32379387]It is true however, the internet is an unregulated mess in which anything may happen.[/QUOTE] And that is the best thing about it.
[QUOTE=Jelly donut;32379411]I wish I could though.[/QUOTE] If you could physically harm people over the internet then most internet users would be in the hospital.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;32379442]having the right to anonymity is not the right to abuse it.[/QUOTE] Much like a credit card. It can been a great tool when you need it but, when you start to abuse it, everyone pays for it.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;32379059]I think a person should always have a right to anonymity, online or not.[/QUOTE] "or not"? What does that mean? You are ok with people walking around in balaclavas? If so I disagree. I think web anonymity is important though.
I have always believed that a person should be accountable for what they do, say, etc. However, I also think that anonymity acts as a sort of diplomatic immunity (even more so than actual D.I.). You can say what you want without fear of any persecution. My opinion? Leave it the way it is. We, at the moment, leave it up to the user. If you want anonymity, you have access to FP, 4Chan, and other such forums. There's also Facebook, which leans more towards the other side of the spectrum.
[QUOTE=Irespawnoften;32379446]And that is the best thing about it.[/QUOTE] It's the virtual sandbox/playground of our time.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;32379206]The Internet as we know it will die if we'll be forced to use our real names. [B]That and IRL crime rate will grow sky high since everyone will be able to look up information about everyone.[/B] "Son, I've seen what forums do you post on and what do you post, you're not allowed in our house anymore" "Hey let's mock this kid for liking the game/movie/band/football team we don't like" "you said bad things about <political figure> so I'm gonna burn your house down" etc I'm probably exaggerating a bit but this can't be good for anyone[/QUOTE] Have proof for that? We have had phone books for years, and crime rates have been dropping. Not to imply having phonebooks leads to a lower crime rate. Also, you can actually look up information about anyone using a phonebook-like website.
I don't think we should be forced out of anonymity. The internet seems to be the only true place you can have that. Regarding social networks they're optional, and should always stay that way.
[QUOTE=Jallen;32379562]"or not"? What does that mean? You are ok with people walking around in balaclavas? If so I disagree. I think web anonymity is important though.[/QUOTE] I was thinking of opinion articles in newspapers, or radio and tv interviews.
Theres no stopping anonymity, on the web. If there is a law against it, just look back at pirating. People still do it, even though its illegal.
[QUOTE=markg06;32379343]Kids being mocked for their preferences isn't anything new but I think you're wrong about being forced to use real names for everything, for instance look at when Blizzard announced that they were going to use real names on the forums, people were in a uproar about it.[/QUOTE] Where I live, "people" KILL each other for liking a different football team. Now imagine if a bunch of chavs went on a forum of the team they don't like and got all the names of people that post there, they could quickly find them and hurt them, or worse if they're capable of beating random pedestrians to death just because they like a different sports club. Oh and it provides massive stalking opportunities, would ruin relationships and break families, just think what would happen if your parents/girlfriend/boyfriend found what kind of porn do you watch or that you have unpopular opinions about things. You would either have to restort to lurking or posting only politically correct things from a neutral perspective to not make others hate you
There will always be anonymity. It's as simple as using a fake name. :v:
[QUOTE=5killer;32379722]Have proof for that? We have had phone books for years, and crime rates have been dropping. Not to imply having phonebooks leads to a lower crime rate. Also, you can actually look up information about anyone using a phonebook-like website.[/QUOTE] Strange, I've never seen anyone's information being posted in the phonebook. I've seen companies however.
[QUOTE=5killer;32379722]Have proof for that? We have had phone books for years, and crime rates have been dropping. Not to imply having phonebooks leads to a lower crime rate. Also, you can actually look up information about anyone using a phonebook-like website.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=areolop;32379267]That wont happen. Law Enforcement takes people's information seriously. Publicly, you cant find anything about the person unless they, themselves have posted it.[/QUOTE] Phone books are opt-out'ble again, its not impossible to live with anonymity.. just takes some skill.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;32380564]Strange, I've never seen anyone's information being posted in the phonebook. I've seen companies however.[/QUOTE] The White Pages. [QUOTE=areolop;32380743]Phone books are opt-out'ble again, its not impossible to live with anonymity.. just takes some skill.[/QUOTE] That wasn't my point. He was saying not being anonymous will lead to a higher crime rate.
[QUOTE=5killer;32380909] That wasn't my point. He was saying not being anonymous will lead to a higher crime rate.[/QUOTE] Which is completely not possible to link together. Well, it is, just not correctly. Sure someone can draw the conclusion that people may go for more bigger crimes if they dont have an identity.
I very much would like to keep it. at the moment the internet provides a level playing ground for all people and I think forcing people to use their real names would get rid of that.
If anonymity were eliminated on the net then people would be under much more potential harm and as a reaction to that, they'll probably put up restrictions in order to enforce that safely, with our internet freedom being even more restricted. That's just a guess though. I think the internet should remain anonymous though. Too much can sprout from making it not.
The internet [i]is[/i] anonymity.
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