• Australia Thread v4
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[QUOTE=download;36300689]Does anyone else think that the speed limits in our country are to slow, particularly on free ways and long interstate roads? Look at Europe, they only have to get 100kms to the next major city and thy do (depending on where it is in Europe) anything from 130 to unlimited. While we in Australia, where the next major city is 800km away do 110km all the way.[/quote] Our roads are shit compared to Europe, but getting there. Have a read of this article: [url]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:D902y3Ifo8oJ:actroads.org/archives/1229+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au[/url] [QUOTE=download;36300689]Instead of having some arbitrary 110 limit, we should have a limit based on the road and number of users. A decent free way could be 150-160. An outback deserted road could also be that seeing as their is no one else to smash into.[/quote] Not anymore. There was once a day when the drivers were relied upon to decide a reasonable speed, but they soon realised that they could not do so, drivers are stupid and will kill themselves, and thus decided to fall back to a speed limit. There's no place in the world that has a freeway of over 140KM/h (minus Germany of course) - that amount is unrelastic. As for 110, it's not so arbitrary, there are factors why that limit is such, and not higher. Specifically, none of our major roads connecting cities are completely "grade-separated". The previous article will explain it more.
Doing 110 on the freeways around Sydney is a good way to flip your car when you go over the high wind areas
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;36308891]Doing 110 on the freeways around Sydney is a good way to flip your car when you go over the high wind areas[/QUOTE] It feels scary when you've got 100+km/h gusts coming in from the side while travelling at speeds, but I doubt it's that dangerous for a car, which has a low centre of gravity.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;36301426]Our roads are shit compared to Europe, but getting there. Have a read of this article: [url]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:D902y3Ifo8oJ:actroads.org/archives/1229+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au[/url] Not anymore. There was once a day when the drivers were relied upon to decide a reasonable speed, but they soon realised that they could not do so, drivers are stupid and will kill themselves, and thus decided to fall back to a speed limit. There's no place in the world that has a freeway of over 140KM/h (minus Germany of course) - that amount is unrelastic. As for 110, it's not so arbitrary, there are factors why that limit is such, and not higher. Specifically, none of our major roads connecting cities are completely "grade-separated". The previous article will explain it more.[/QUOTE] But there are roads that would be suitable for more than 110km/h. Maybe a lot aren't, but I can name 2 straight away, just in Adelaide that are very safe and very well maintained
[QUOTE=download;36310198]But there are roads that would be suitable for more than 110km/h. Maybe a lot aren't, but I can name 2 straight away, just in Adelaide that are very safe and very well maintained[/QUOTE] What would they be? I'm doubtful that they would - we simply don't have the funds to increase the roads over 110KM/h, while still maintaining safety.
The Southern Expressway and the Princes Highway (The Princes Highway would only be like that for the first 100km out of Adelaide, after that it turns to shit)
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[QUOTE=download;36311109]The Southern Expressway and the Princes Highway (The Princes Highway would only be like that for the first 100km out of Adelaide, after that it turns to shit)[/QUOTE] Both are not capable of faster speeds. The Southern Expressway has too much traffic for it (suburban freeways are never higher than 100, and inner city freeways 80), plus light posts near the edge of the road with no crash barriers, and it's not properly marked due to it being reversible (exits being on the right). The South Eastern Freeway has no central barriers where the median is unlevel, central areas to allow emergency vehicles to do U-turns (these must be locked for higher speeds, due to the huge risk when being used), no emergency lane in some places (vehicles would be required to stop on the road if they break down). Then there's the issue with drivers...
i never understood road science been to counties with worse roads, better speed limits than here been to countries with better roads, slower speed limits (that don't seem to be enforced) still can't understand why a good chunk of the hume is 110, you can do a lot faster than that safely in a good car, but I guess you can't make money from distance over time cameras then
[QUOTE=DogGunn;36311458]Both are not capable of faster speeds. The Southern Expressway has too much traffic for it (suburban freeways are never higher than 100, and inner city freeways 80), plus light posts near the edge of the road with no crash barriers, and it's not properly marked due to it being reversible (exits being on the right). The South Eastern Freeway has no central barriers where the median is unlevel, central areas to allow emergency vehicles to do U-turns (these must be locked for higher speeds, due to the huge risk when being used), no emergency lane in some places (vehicles would be required to stop on the road if they break down). Then there's the issue with drivers...[/QUOTE] I don't agree. They're at the same level as German Autobahns, and I'm not asking for an unlimited speed limit.
[QUOTE=bye;36311697]still can't understand why a good chunk of the hume is 110, you can do a lot faster than that safely in a good car, but I guess you can't make money from distance over time cameras then[/QUOTE] See the article posted previously. It'd be nice to see the Hume 130KM/h, but there are good reasons why it's not. Specifically, there are intersections in the road. [QUOTE=download;36311834]I don't agree. They're at the same level as German Autobahns, and I'm not asking for an unlimited speed limit.[/QUOTE] Nowhere near dude! This is a pretty average chuck of the [URL="http://goo.gl/maps/nQzE"]South Eastern Freeway[/URL]. U-Turn spot, no crash barriers, trees in the verge, before that, an unguarded bridge. This is a pretty average older [URL="http://goo.gl/maps/73Eq"]autobahn road[/URL], with a limit of 130KM/h. Note the central crash barriers the whole way, the level pavement in the emergency lane, crash barriers along the side for the most part, level road. Another thing the Germans have an advantage in: are drivers actually give a shit. Lane discipline is important at high speeds, and currently we have none. We have tailgating galore, right lane hogs, overtaking on the left, people who sit in the middle. It's all part and parcel of higher speeds. [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] Double crash barriers too
I don't think my car could go over 110km/h. I've had it up to that and it was struggling. So having higher road limits would just be dangerous for smaller cars with smaller engines, especially the whole crazy with small cars like the 'smart' cars and getz and so on.
How would it be dangerous? It's a speed limit. Keep left unless overtaking. If a speed limit was 130KM/h, I'd only be going 120KM/h because my car revs too high otherwise.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;36312294]How would it be dangerous? It's a speed limit. Keep left unless overtaking. If a speed limit was 130KM/h, I'd only be going 120KM/h because my car revs too high otherwise.[/QUOTE] Even if you keep left, other cars can still over take, even if they're not going the speed limit. And having cars pull out going slower into a lane of fast moving cars seems unsafe to me.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;36312294]How would it be dangerous? It's a speed limit. Keep left unless overtaking. If a speed limit was 130KM/h, I'd only be going 120KM/h because my car revs too high otherwise.[/QUOTE] yeah pretty much ^ drove this little piece of shit across japan, speeding 20-30kmh over the limit most the time on expressways (mainly to keep up with others speeding around me) I found this to be commonplace, especially in rural areas. Ridiculously low speed limits that nobody adheres to, but apparently some areas have some kind of % allowance on excess [img]http://gyazo.com/8c93bd6c9e07a3bbc14836002f46d47a.png?1339580676[/img] felt kinda safe, engine did it pretty tough [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Hana-San;36312407]Even if you keep left, other cars can still over take, even if they're not going the speed limit. And having cars pull out going slower into a lane of fast moving cars seems unsafe to me.[/QUOTE] they can keep up
[QUOTE=Hana-San;36312407]Even if you keep left, other cars can still over take, even if they're not going the speed limit. And having cars pull out going slower into a lane of fast moving cars seems unsafe to me.[/QUOTE] Only because of how you're used to it. As we do it now, tailgate tailgate tailgate, oh a chance, cut infront, tailgate tailgate. If we have higher speeds, we need more patience and larger spaces. It's not dangerous. I hate to use the autobahn as an example, but on the unrestricted sections, why aren't there constant crashes? They don't pull out into traffic, they're patient, and wait for faster cars to go past them before pulling out into the overtaking lane.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;36312063]See the article posted previously. It'd be nice to see the Hume 130KM/h, but there are good reasons why it's not. Specifically, there are intersections in the road. Nowhere near dude! This is a pretty average chuck of the [URL="http://goo.gl/maps/nQzE"]South Eastern Freeway[/URL]. U-Turn spot, no crash barriers, trees in the verge, before that, an unguarded bridge. This is a pretty average older [URL="http://goo.gl/maps/73Eq"]autobahn road[/URL], with a limit of 130KM/h. Note the central crash barriers the whole way, the level pavement in the emergency lane, crash barriers along the side for the most part, level road. Another thing the Germans have an advantage in: are drivers actually give a shit. Lane discipline is important at high speeds, and currently we have none. We have tailgating galore, right lane hogs, overtaking on the left, people who sit in the middle. It's all part and parcel of higher speeds. [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] Double crash barriers too[/QUOTE] Oh look, another part of the freeway. [url=https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=South+Eastern+Freeway,+Leawood+Gardens,+South+Australia&hl=en&ll=-34.998469,138.726895&spn=111.610206,270.527344&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=66.596789,135.263672&oq=south+eastern+freeway&t=w&hnear=S+Eastern+Fwy,+Leawood+Gardens+South+Australia&z=3&layer=c&panoid=c7sTQqUU3O3k0LmtHjJOlw&cbll=-34.998469,138.726895&cbp=13,-271.2488375342353,,0,15.12608579145325]Ta dah[/url] Most of it's good, there are a few crap places that could be fixed, all they need is crash barriers Have you ever driven on the Southern Express way? It's like this for the entire length. For those who can't go fast on it, just go slow, and drive in the left lane [editline]14th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=bye;36312458]yeah pretty much ^ drove this little piece of shit across japan, speeding 20-30kmh over the limit most the time on expressways (mainly to keep up with others speeding around me) I found this to be commonplace, especially in rural areas. Ridiculously low speed limits that nobody adheres to, but apparently some areas have some kind of % allowance on excess [img]http://gyazo.com/8c93bd6c9e07a3bbc14836002f46d47a.png?1339580676[/img] felt kinda safe, engine did it pretty tough [editline]13th June 2012[/editline] they can keep up[/QUOTE] Apparently in Japan they can't fine you for speeding unless that have a picture of your face while you're speeding, a picture of your car isn't enough. Would explain why everyone goes fast. On another topic. Despite what people think, road death have been falling a lot for years: Australia had 43 deaths per 100,000 vehicles in 1980, while now we have 5 deaths per 100,000 vehicles. Germany has 7 per 100,000
[QUOTE=download;36313813]Oh look, another part of the freeway. [url=https://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=South+Eastern+Freeway,+Leawood+Gardens,+South+Australia&hl=en&ll=-34.998469,138.726895&spn=111.610206,270.527344&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=66.596789,135.263672&oq=south+eastern+freeway&t=w&hnear=S+Eastern+Fwy,+Leawood+Gardens+South+Australia&z=3&layer=c&panoid=c7sTQqUU3O3k0LmtHjJOlw&cbll=-34.998469,138.726895&cbp=13,-271.2488375342353,,0,15.12608579145325]Ta dah[/url] Most of it's good, there are a few crap places that could be fixed, all they need is crash barriers Have you ever driven on the Southern Express way? It's like this for the entire length. For those who can't go fast on it, just go slow, and drive in the left lane[/quote] That's exactly the same link as what I posted? Still looks like crap compared to the Autobahn. And yes, I have driven on that freeway. It's fine for 110KM/h, but until they fix it up, by closing the U-turn bays, levelling out the emergency lane, crash barriers along the whole path, they're not going to up the speed limit to 130KM/h. Not because people don't want to, but because the safety features aren't there. [QUOTE=download;36313813]On another topic. Despite what people think, road death have been falling a lot for years: Australia had 43 deaths per 100,000 vehicles in 1980, while now we have 5 deaths per 100,000 vehicles. Germany has 7 per 100,000[/QUOTE] Deaths per 100,000 vehicle is a bad statistic to use - it doesn't really give you much information. We are behind Germany and other European countries on road safety, and we're falling behind fast. While they're improving, we're not. Australia's road toll per 100,000 is about 6.5, compared to the UK's statistic of 3.5 or Germany's 4. Over the last 10 years however, Australia's road toll has only fallen slightly (1.9%) comapred to other European countries, which are around the 4-8% mark. [url]http://www.atcouncil.gov.au/documents/files/NRSS_2011_2020_15Aug11.pdf[/url] There are so many things to do in this country before we're capable of higher speed roads.
It's never going to happen for decades but I'd love better road surfaces. I don't know if car drivers notice this shit as much as a bike rider but a lot of the roads I travel on are just awful. Shit's scary when you're cruising at 100km/h and narrowly miss a pothole. Don't think I want to get my front wheel caught up in one of those, and when they fill them in they're still pretty bad. Also with regard to mandatory voting, if you don't enroll for the first time you'll never be fined most likely. They don't give a shit about it.
I disagree. Using per 100,00 cars is more accurate. If you go by people, for all you know the country might have a disproportionate number of cars to people, skewing results. I may have screwed up the link, Not sure how to link locations in google maps.... I doubt you've driven on the Southern Expressway, if you had, you'd know it's one way traffic and doesn't have uturn bays
[QUOTE=download;36320628]I disagree. Using per 100,00 cars is more accurate. If you go by people, for all you know the country might have a disproportionate number of cars to people, skewing results.[/QUOTE] Per million km is a more accurate. But then you look at the US, where they have a high proportion of cars due to the distances required and poor public transport, and it's similar to Australia. We're still doing poorly compared to our overseas counterparts. And while per 100,000 vehicles is not an extremely useful measure, it still shows. [QUOTE=download;36320628]I doubt you've driven on the Southern Expressway, if you had, you'd know it's one way traffic and doesn't have uturn bays[/QUOTE] Oh, I thought you said South Eastern Freeway. Yes, I know, I already said that it's reversible, and explained why it couldn't handle higher speeds. Too much traffic (it's an inner suburban road), poor crash barriers (light posts are unprotected), unprotected bridges, and poor road markings because it has to be reversible. These problems might be solved once they've duplicated it though. Still, you'll never see higher than 100 on inner suburban roads.
Any other Victorians do the GAT today? Was boring as hell, and now I want to climb Mount Everest. At least it was better than last year. We had to write an opinion piece on the fashion industry. How the hell is a boy with no knowledge of fashion going to go well with that?
How long did you stay in for? I wrote 2 pages for the Mount Everest and a page for writing task 2 then my mate just got up and left when I was about to start the multiple choice so I did that in about 5 minutes. It's pretty retarded though because I only did it because I do VET and my exam for that is music performance so its really unlikely I'm going to need to depend on the GAT.
[QUOTE=darcy010;36325566]Any other Victorians do the GAT today? Was boring as hell, and now I want to climb Mount Everest. At least it was better than last year. We had to write an opinion piece on the fashion industry. How the hell is a boy with no knowledge of fashion going to go well with that?[/QUOTE] Because you get given all of the resources... The GAT doesn't expect any prior knowledge other than fundamental skills like applying learned knowledge in a persuasive or expository piece of writing. We had to do one on Bees in 2009 or 10, they gave all these statistics and we had to present them in an engaging way. I think I ended up making some kind of feature piece on the plight of apiary owners in the face of drought. It's genuinely the easiest assessment you'll get in year 12. [editline]15th June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Camp er Joe;36334257]How long did you stay in for? I wrote 2 pages for the Mount Everest and a page for writing task 2 then my mate just got up and left when I was about to start the multiple choice so I did that in about 5 minutes. It's pretty retarded though because I only did it because I do VET and my exam for that is music performance so its really unlikely I'm going to need to depend on the GAT.[/QUOTE] If you get in a car crash they'll use a score derived from your SACs and your GAT. Even though it feels like a waste of time it can be a life saver. My mate got really sick during year 12 exams, but even though he was vomiting for half of the media exam, he got a 36 or something.
[QUOTE=Camp er Joe;36334257]How long did you stay in for? I wrote 2 pages for the Mount Everest and a page for writing task 2 then my mate just got up and left when I was about to start the multiple choice so I did that in about 5 minutes. It's pretty retarded though because I only did it because I do VET and my exam for that is music performance so its really unlikely I'm going to need to depend on the GAT.[/QUOTE] You guys get to leave when you're done? Fuck, we have to stay "in case we cheat by texting them answers"
We have to stay a minimum of 30 minutes or so I think. People literally did not do anything and just left as soon as they could, I don't think the examiners were afraid of people cheating.
[QUOTE=Camp er Joe;36338774]We have to stay a minimum of 30 minutes or so I think. People literally did not do anything and just left as soon as they could, I don't think the examiners were afraid of people cheating.[/QUOTE] Probably just my school then.
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