• Is it possible to imagine a color you've never seen?
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There's only a certain number of colors in the spectrum. I assume that your brain can imagine any color, but you won't know what the name of it is. Your brain has the capacity to imagine, but soembody who's been blind for their enetire life probably won't imagine colors in relation to their real life counterparts.
It's impossible to imagine anything which you haven't already perceived, unless it's a conglomeration of a few different objects. I.e, Horse + horn = Unicorn. Therefore, no, we can't imagine any colours we haven't already seen. This doesn't mean that there aren't other colours out there however.
There are no other colors out there. If there are somehow other colors, then our eyes would not be able to perceive them. In conclusion, it is possible to imagine colors, but only one the visible spectrum; just how it is possible to imagine things you've never seen before, if you could only imagine shapes and objects that you've seen, then no new creations would ever be made. There's no such thing as colors off of the spectrum (other than ultraviolet and all that jazz), the spectrum is what human beings are able to perceive.
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24450818]If there are somehow other colors, then our eyes would not be able to perceive them. [/QUOTE] Exactly, there's no reason why light outside the visible spectrum wouldn't have colour, or indeed a completely new colour.
[QUOTE=P0cket;24450880]Exactly, there's no reason why light outside the visible spectrum wouldn't have colour, or indeed a completely new colour.[/QUOTE] Uh, yes there is. There's no visible light outside of the spectrum, that's impossible. There's visible radiation (light), which is comprised of this spectrum of three primary colors: [IMG]http://automobileinsurance101.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/13.jpg[/IMG] Then there's Radio, Microwave, Gamma, Infared, Ultraviolet, etc which to some creature they may be perceivable, BUT, HOW they perceive them is irrelevant, the colors on the color spectrum are the only visible colors. Your brain cannot make up any other colors unless they are on the spectrum, as the fundamental laws of the universe allow no other possible colors. "Possible colors" is a fallacious term, too. All the colors that are possible are the ones that can be perceived. If any animal is capable of detecting other forms of radiation, then they will be interpreted in one of the possible shades or colors.
It's possible through hallucination. Several users of LSD have reported seeing a color they've never seen before. They call it Gendale.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24451011]Uh, yes there is. There's no visible light outside of the spectrum, that's impossible. There's visible light, which is comprised of this spectrum: [IMG]http://automobileinsurance101.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/13.jpg[/IMG] Then there's Radio, Microwave, Gamma, Infared, Ultraviolet, etc which to some creature they may be perceivable, BUT, HOW they perceive them is irrelevant, the colors on the color spectrum are the only visible colors. Your brain cannot make up any other colors unless they are on the spectrum, as the fundamental laws of the universe allow no other possible colors. "Possible colors" is a fallacious term, too. All the colors that are possible are the ones that can be perceived. If any animal is capable of detecting other forms of radiation, then they will be interpreted in one of the possible shades or colors.[/QUOTE] A blind man can't perceive any colours, but that doesn't mean they're not there. In the same way, humans can perceive the visible spectrum, which comprises of what we call colour, but that doesn't mean there aren't more "colours" out there beyond ultraviolet or infra-red. If we could perceive beyond the visible spectrum, what we would be perceiving mightn't be the same colours as what we already know from visible light. [QUOTE=st0rmforce;24438471]There's a guy who had the lenses in his eyes replaced with artificial ones. His new lenses didn't block UV, so he could see it. He said that it does look different to other colours, he was going to try to describe it, but realised that it was impossible. You have to see it to understand it.[/QUOTE]
This is also the theory of Perception. We only know what we perceive. This works the same way with sound, smell, taste, and feel.
Gendale is not a primary color. Human beings can only view a tri-spectrum. there are three primary colors and only three primary colors, as such your brain does not have the capacity to make up new primary colors. Gendale is a secondary color.
How can you imagine something that you've never seen? No.
[QUOTE=P0cket;24451141]A blind man can't perceive any colours, but that doesn't mean they're not there. In the same way, humans can perceive the visible spectrum.[/QUOTE] Kay, stop right there. What you perceive visually is an interpretation of data that your brain performs. What you "see" is what your brain is capable of interpreting. A blind man CAN iamgine colors, as the three primary colors are going to be programmed into your brain. What he will not be able to do is relate them to any names as any colors he imagines are going to be secondary colors; a mixture of primary colors. [editline]01:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Sharker;24451206]How can you imagine something that you've never seen? No.[/QUOTE] What you see is what your brain interprets via the information sent by your eyes. One could make the argument that you don't truly see anything, it's all inside your mind: which is why hallucinogenic drugs can make you "see" things that are not there. What you see is all inside your mind. Which is why a blind man can visualize colors. Once again, a blind man will not be able to place colors on a spectrum, but he will be able to visualize random mixtures of primary colors.
You cant think or imagine things that you have not seen. Your imagination is a compilation of bits and pieces that your mind can put together. No idea is original, just placed in a different order.
Once again, yes you can. What you see is an image crated by your brain. You brain is fundamentally capable of creating any image. A blind-from-birth man will be able to imagine shapes and colors, but none of them will have relevance or relation to anything that anybody can see. Interpretation and Imagination are two different things and are not related to one another. A blind man can imagine the three primary colors, and can generate shapes in his mind regardless of whether they've been seen or not.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24451388]Once again, yes you can. What you see is an image crated by your brain. You brain is fundamentally capable of creating any image. A blind-from-birth man will be able to imagine shapes and colors, but none of them will have relevance or relation to anything that anybody can see. Interpretation and Imagination are two different things and are not related to one another. A blind man can imagine the three primary colors, and can generate shapes in his mind regardless of whether they've been seen or not.[/QUOTE] I'm not a cognitive expert, and if you're correct then you're right about humans being unable to imagine brand new colours. This doesn't mean that there aren't other colours out there though, just that humans cannot detect them.
Are you thinking of maroon? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrHwDJe7ro[/media]
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;24438580]I would think you can, but it's hard to describe. Or say, a person born blind. They wouldn't know what red is. They might be able to imagine what they think is red, but no one will ever know if it really is red. Since it's hard to describe colors, especially when you're blind, I doubt anyone would ever know what they really saw. It's a weird thing to think about.[/QUOTE] No, A blind person could never imagine any color. ever. Unless they had experienced the color. [editline]06:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;24451388]Once again, yes you can. What you see is an image crated by your brain. You brain is fundamentally capable of creating any image. A blind-from-birth man will be able to imagine shapes and colors, but none of them will have relevance or relation to anything that anybody can see. Interpretation and Imagination are two different things and are not related to one another. A blind man can imagine the three primary colors, and can generate shapes in his mind regardless of whether they've been seen or not.[/QUOTE] How would you know that a blind-from-birth man could see colors? It sounds like you are pulling shit out of your ass.
[QUOTE=L'ordinateur;24451632]No, A blind person could never imagine any color. ever. Unless they had experienced the color.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to lie, I honestly have no clue what I was talking about. What I was thinking, and what I ended up saying were totally different, because I have no clue how to describe what I was thinking.
I have can make this color in my mind its like a dark purple with a light black I call it Ma Dai. I have never seen this color in my life on anything.
No. There are no new colors. There is [U]nothing[/U] but the three primary colors. It doesn't matter if the red you see is the blue I see, they are all going to be on the same color spectrum: Being Red Blue and Yellow. The visible wavelength is confined to three primary colors and all the colors in between them. certain beings may see different colors on the spectrum, but that is irrelevant, they will always be bound to the visible spectrum frequency. [quote]How would you know that a blind-from-birth man could see colors? It sounds like you are pulling shit out of your ass.[/quote]because human brains have a built in color spectrum. If there wasn't, you wouldn't be able to see or imagine anything. Even if you weren't blind, all you would see if black. Blind people are blind because their eyes do not work, or the portion of their brain that would transmit the information is dysfunctional. A person who is colorblind would A: Have to somehow have no built in spectrum. That seems highly unlikely. or B: Have a damaged optical center, but still be able to imagine colors on the spectrum.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24451762]No. There are no new colors. There is [U]nothing[/U] but the three primary colors. It doesn't matter if the red you see is the blue I see, they are all going to be on the same color spectrum: Being Red Blue and Yellow. The visible wavelength is confined to three primary colors and all the colors in between them. certain beings may see different colors on the spectrum, but that is irrelevant, they will always be bound to the visible spectrum frequency. because human braind have a built in color spectrum. If there wasn't, you wouldn't be able to see or imagine anything. Even if you weren't blind, all you would see if black. Blind people are blind because their eyes do not work, or the portion of their brain that would transmit the information is dysfunctional. A person who is colorblind would A: Have to somehow have no built in spectrum. That seems highly unlikely. or B: Have a damaged optical center, but still be able to imagine colors on the spectrum.[/QUOTE] I still don't understand how you're showing that there are no new colours, all you're saying is that humans can't see them. Also I think you can imagine colours when you close your eyes because you've already seen them and know what that colour is. Also, how do you know all this, you seem to be an expert on blindness.
Isn't EVERY color already made? Like, you can't make a new one, it's already been done.
[QUOTE=Bllasae;24451997]Isn't EVERY color already made? Like, you can't make a new one, it's already been done.[/QUOTE] By new I mean one we haven't perceived before.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24451011]Uh, yes there is. There's no visible light outside of the spectrum, that's impossible. There's visible radiation (light), which is comprised of this spectrum of three primary colors: [IMG]http://automobileinsurance101.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/13.jpg[/IMG] Then there's Radio, Microwave, Gamma, Infared, Ultraviolet, etc which to some creature they may be perceivable, BUT, HOW they perceive them is irrelevant, the colors on the color spectrum are the only visible colors. Your brain cannot make up any other colors unless they are on the spectrum, as the fundamental laws of the universe allow no other possible colors. "Possible colors" is a fallacious term, too. All the colors that are possible are the ones that can be perceived. If any animal is capable of detecting other forms of radiation, then they will be interpreted in one of the possible shades or colors.[/QUOTE] Actually there is an infinite amount of colours depending on the wavelengths and mixture of different lengths in a given patch of light. Our eyes roughly group them like this: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/CIE_1931_XYZ_Color_Matching_Functions.svg/500px-CIE_1931_XYZ_Color_Matching_Functions.svg.png[/img] It's important to note that primary colours are an artificial construct and is only related to the way we see. Not something exterior.
[QUOTE=unnecessary;24440663]how intense would the colors be beyond 750 nanometers, or before 360 nanometers?[/QUOTE] :psyboom: except only your eyes
Because, there can only be only three primary colors in the radiation wavelength of 380 nanometers to 760 nanometers. Anything above that is infrared light and anything below that is ultraviolet light. How you perceive them is completely irrelevant. I don't know how I could explain this any simpler. Regardless of how you perceive the colors, they will always be bound to the three primary colors. Any animal that can eprcive other regions of radition, they are still going to be interpreted in it's mind a visible color.
What if the color you were seeing was red and the color and someone else saw it and recognized it as red but it would really be green or something to them?
[QUOTE=MrOwn1;24452091]:psyboom: except only your eyes[/QUOTE] Intensity hasn't to do with wavelenghts, but brightness and purity of the mix.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;24451695]I have can make this color in my mind its like a dark purple with a light black I call it Ma Dai. I have never seen this color in my life on anything.[/QUOTE] I get that color, no offense, when little blood gets to my brain ie; standing up quick then going "purple blind" if enough if lost, as I call it.
[QUOTE=Anti Christ;24451670]I'm not going to lie, I honestly have no clue what I was talking about. What I was thinking, and what I ended up saying were totally different, because I have no clue how to describe what I was thinking.[/QUOTE] Wow, you just earned my respect.
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