• Are we too hard on Religion?
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[QUOTE=Mon;34761696]i wasn't making a point about me being an atheist, i was making a point about you making us look bad. like, i hope you realize that people won't want to affiliate with / become atheists if they think we're a bunch of assholes also: the holocaust was not started by a religious group. you seriously should know that. also jews were considered a race, rather than a religious group.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you said it twice, assuming it would affect the arguement. [QUOTE] You will find it in*Mein Kampf.- "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work." Hitler said it again at a Nazi Christmas celebration in 1926: "Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews . . . The work that Christ started but could not finish, I--Adolf Hitler--will conclude." In a Reichstag speech in 1938, Hitler again echoed the religious origins of his crusade. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work. " Hitler regarded himself as a Catholic until he died. "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," he told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941. [/QUOTE] Religion played a major role in Hitler's rise to power. He got many votes be mentioning this stuff.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34761845]Yeah but you said it twice, assuming it would affect the arguement.[/QUOTE] not really also, the catholic church itself didn't support the holocaust. (their opposition could have been stronger though) [quote]The noted biographer of Adolf Hitler, Joachim Fest, wrote that; " At first the Church was quite hostile and its bishops energetically denounced the "false doctrines" of the Nazis. Its opposition weakened considerably in the following years [after the Concordat] [-] Cardinal Bertram developed an ineffectual protest system [-] Resistance..remained largely a matter of individual conscience. In general they [both churches] attempted merely to assert their own rights and only rarely issued pastoral letters or declarations indicating any fundamental objection to Nazi ideology."[3][/quote] you also have to keep in mind that there was already a background of antisemitism in germany, that stretched far before hitler rose to power. his catholicism was really just to ensure he would be elected - it was nothing more than an appeal to the majority (a lot of modern politicians do the same thing anyway) some reading: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement#Connection_with_Nazism[/url] [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] this is steering further and further from the topic anyway. the point is, antitheism is not the answer. it makes atheists look bad, causes unnecessary conflicts, brews spite, and it doesn't help anyone.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34747461][/QUOTE] I wasn't being sarcastic.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34761687]How am I supposed to know?[/QUOTE] Considering that you face eternal damnation in Hell, I would want to be pretty confident.
[QUOTE=Mon;34761977]not really also, the catholic church itself didn't support the holocaust. (their opposition could have been stronger though) you also have to keep in mind that there was already a background of antisemitism in germany, that stretched far before hitler rose to power. his catholicism was really just to ensure he would be elected - it was nothing more than an appeal to the majority (a lot of modern politicians do the same thing anyway) some reading: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement#Connection_with_Nazism[/url] [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] this is steering further and further from the topic anyway. the point is, antitheism is not the answer. it makes atheists look bad, causes unnecessary conflicts, brews spite, and it doesn't help anyone.[/QUOTE] Religion does all of those things, why can't I be against it?
[QUOTE=Sickle;34762308]Religion does all of those things, why can't I be against it?[/QUOTE] case in point. i'm not going to keep going because you don't seem like you want to listen
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34762256]Considering that you face eternal damnation in Hell, I would want to be pretty confident.[/QUOTE] You are missing the point. How am I supposed to "know" that my interpretation is right? Its called a belief. I [I]believe[/I] that my interpretation is more right than others, but there is no way that I'm just "right".
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34762256]Considering that you face eternal damnation in Hell, I would want to be pretty confident.[/QUOTE] The reality of hell and heaven is death.
[QUOTE=Mon;34763087]case in point. i'm not going to keep going because you don't seem like you want to listen[/QUOTE] No fucking shit. [editline]19th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34763233]You are missing the point. How am I supposed to "know" that my interpretation is right? Its called a belief. I [I]believe[/I] that my interpretation is more right than others, but there is no way that I'm just "right".[/QUOTE] That's the whole deal.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34763306]That's the whole deal.[/QUOTE] I don't get it.
Found this on the facebukes, my first sighting of religious related arguing in the real internet. [img]http://i.imgur.com/0S33h.png[/img] Majestic.
[quote]dude im not a christian im a lutheran jack ass[/quote] Nice.
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[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;34765135]Josh Hughes and Co. don't seem to be very bright.[/QUOTE] How you do that? I'm not josh by the way, but what? Can you just open in layers in photoshop or something? If you see all the shapes it's because I'm terrible at making shapes.
[QUOTE=Pirate Jok3r;34765175]How you do that? I'm not josh by the way, but what? Can you just open in layers in photoshop or something?[/QUOTE] [quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/EKqS1.png[/img][/quote] [img]http://i.imgur.com/FPRIW.png[/img] 10/10 censoring
Aw shoot, now I'm vulnerable to the whole internets. I'm really bad with the rectangle tool. [editline]18th February 2012[/editline] really am not josh
I don't mind Religion, I'm an Atheist. However I don't go around screaming there is no god, I respect other peoples Beliefs. However I will not tolerate you trying to shove your religion down my throat
[QUOTE=Sickle;34762308]Religion does all of those things, why can't I be against it?[/QUOTE] Guns don't kill people...
[QUOTE=ECrownofFire;34768553]Guns don't kill people...[/QUOTE] But they're made to kill.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34759262]He flooded the earth. That's sounds like an intervention if I've ever heard one.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;34760178]What are you saying? Who flooded the earth? God? It's not like there aren't other crazy natural phenomenons, so how come a flooding is now important? Because of Noah? I don't think Noah ever gathered up (all?) the animals on a boat, but it's not like people haven't done crazy things either.[/QUOTE] Hey you kind of forgot about our argument by not responding after I questioned your.. flooding stuff. So what's up?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34769776]Hey you kind of forgot about our argument by not responding after I questioned your.. flooding stuff. So what's up?[/QUOTE] Your arguments make no sense. Whose side are you even on?
And you saying "He flooded the Earth, one example of how God has intervened" makes so much sense, yeah..
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34770525]And you saying "He flooded the Earth, one example of how God has intervened" makes so much sense, yeah..[/QUOTE] It does. Literally everybody else gets it. If you argue against or for the Christian god, you mainly use examples from the Bible, because it informs us of his behavior. In the Bible God interferes with Human affairs when he floods the Earth.
[QUOTE=Patriarch;34769407]But they're made to kill.[/QUOTE] It's a fucking analogy. If you want something better to compare it to, it's a knife.
And nobody argues from the point of view that it actually happened, if that is what you believe. [editline]19th February 2012[/editline] gosh darn automerge
So, what exactly people argue for, or against here? The only thing I've tried to argue is that regardless of bibles and shit, God doesn't exist outside of our heads. Never will, never has. But "God does work his wonders" from inside out, like in some wars for example where afterlife/God was used as encouragement for soldiers to keep on fighting.. you know?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34771554]God doesn't exist outside of our heads. Never will, never has. [/QUOTE] But is it [I]impossible[/I] for a God/higher power to actually exist?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34771554]The only thing I've tried to argue is that regardless of bibles and shit, God doesn't exist outside of our heads. Never will, never has. [/QUOTE] Stop talking right now and think about what you just said.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;34771554]So, what exactly people argue for, or against here? The only thing I've tried to argue is that regardless of bibles and shit, God doesn't exist outside of our heads. Never will, never has. But "God does work his wonders" from inside out, like in some wars for example where afterlife/God was used as encouragement for soldiers to keep on fighting.. you know?[/QUOTE] Patriarch is arguing against God, but from a hypothetical perspective of IF God existed (and the Bible as the only source on information about him).
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34771602]But is it [I]impossible[/I] for a God/higher power to actually exist?[/QUOTE] Edit, okay. Obviously it is possible for an extraterrestrial lifepower to exist that is more "higher and powerful" than us, humans. But a God, just to simply put: no
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