• United States Presidential Election 2012 MEGATHREAD
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Gary Johnson has good points, but as I've said before.. he has some fucked up points which cancels all the good shit out.
The people over at Fox Nation are throwing Chris Christie under the bus because he cooperated with Obama during Hurricane Sandy. Just goes to show that they'll put politics before their fellow Americans, even in a dire emergency.
Well done Goldman Sachs on your victory!
i went to sleep just woke up what did i miss
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;38354911]Well done Goldman Sachs on your victory![/QUOTE] that was in 2008. this year goldman sachs didnt contribute to obama, they actually contributed to romney.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38354923]i went to sleep just woke up what did i miss[/QUOTE] Everything.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38354923]i went to sleep just woke up what did i miss[/QUOTE] Obama won after Romney conceded defeat at about 1 am this morning, Democrats got more seats in the Senate and have thus strengthened their majority rule, the House regrettably remains under Republican control, a bunch of right-wingers are butthurt over Mittens losing (check Facebook and Twitter), Donald Trump lost his fucking mind and called for a revolution against the government, weed and gay marriage are now legal in several states, and Puerto Rico has a good chance of joining the union as its 51st state. Last night was an extraordinary night.
So.. lets see if Obama really is going to "have more flexibility". Obama, if you fail to atleast call Israel out on its bullshit I give up all hope for you.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;38354988]Obama won after Romney conceded defeat at about 1 am this morning, Democrats got more seats in the Senate and have thus strengthened their majority rule, the House regrettably remains under Republican control, a bunch of right-wingers are butthurt over Mittens losing (check Facebook and Twitter), Donald Trump lost his fucking mind and called for a revolution against the government, weed and gay marriage are now legal in several states, and Puerto Rico has a good chance of joining the union as its 51st state. Last night was an extraordinary night.[/QUOTE] sounds fun shame i'm a russian
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38355138]sounds fun shame i'm a russian[/QUOTE] commie scum takin' way ar freedoms!
i want to move to the magical land of democracy and apple pie so i won't steal ur freedoom >:(
[QUOTE=Ezhik;38355293]i want to move to the magical land of democracy and apple pie so i won't steal ur freedoom >:([/QUOTE] You should go to Canada instead, US politics aren't really that magical considering you have two choices and they're both equally evil so you have to choose the person who seems less evil. Plus constant financial issues and the increasingly bad distribution of wealth. But then you really have to ask yourself if its worth because of Russia's increasing wages and current economic boom are bringing the country up, plus you would be getting the short end of the stick as far as being employed in another country goes.. employers would rather hire Americans then they would immigrants for obvious reasons.
Well, we'll see how things will go for me in 2 years. [sp]as long as it's not russia :v[/sp]
Hey, on the bright side Putin is close to dying.. 60 and sick. Maybe Medvedev, if he doesn't get sacked, might come to power and reform like he wanted to originally.
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[QUOTE=Ezhik;38355293]i want to move to the magical land of democracy and apple pie so i won't steal ur freedoom >:([/QUOTE] You could always move to Australia. Only problem is buying a decent house is shit dicks expensive.
[QUOTE=RidleySmash;38355530]Hopefully, within the next 4 years they can find a way to bypass the whole only getting 8 years thing AND be able to kick out those useless piece of shit Republicans and arrest anybody working with FOX news, only then will America truly be on its way to recovery[/QUOTE] the max of 2 terms is both good and bad. If you've got a good president, it sucks that he can't stay on longer, if you've got a bad president, it's good as he can't be in there forever.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38355378]You should go to Canada instead, US politics aren't really that magical considering you have two choices and they're both equally evil so you have to choose the person who seems less evil. Plus constant financial issues and the increasingly bad distribution of wealth. But then you really have to ask yourself if its worth because of Russia's increasing wages and current economic boom are bringing the country up, plus you would be getting the short end of the stick as far as being employed in another country goes.. employers would rather hire Americans then they would immigrants for obvious reasons.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure you understand what the word "equally" means. It does not mean "similar to varying extents", it means "precisely the same". And I would question your knowledge of 'Americans' (whatever that might mean in this case) being hired over 'immigrants' (if he's from Russia, over on a visa, is a permanent resident, or a naturalized citizen) as well.
[QUOTE=patq911;38352237][url]http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php[/url] Largely good. Some bad things like the NDAA.[/QUOTE] All right, thanks for the summary. There's some good stuff in there. A lot of that seems like it would have happened either way, like Bin Laden--I think whoever was in charge would have ordered the hit as soon as they found out where he was. Still, nice to look at things from the other side of the aisle. The whole "strengthening our position in Asia" part was completely news to me, though. That's way cool.
[QUOTE=Megafan;38355592]I'm not sure you understand what the word "equally" means. It does not mean "similar to varying extents", it means "precisely the same". And I would question your knowledge of 'Americans' (whatever that might mean in this case) being hired over 'immigrants' (if he's from Russia, over on a visa, is a permanent resident, or a naturalized citizen) as well.[/QUOTE] Because that is always how it is, people hire Americans before immigrants. If there are two equally qualified people for a job, there is a big chance they choose the American born person over the immigrant. And so what if I misused the word equally? They're both evil is what I was trying to say. Unless you disagree? Canada is honestly the best choice out there if you wan't equal society that supports multiculturalism and freedom.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38355618]Because that is always how it is, people hire Americans before immigrants. If there are two equally qualified people for a job, there is a big chance they choose the American born person over the immigrant. And so what if I misused the word equally? They're both evil is what I was trying to say.[/quote] And you base this on what exactly? I'm not saying it's implausible that a citizen would be given a skilled job over an immigrant, if they had the same qualifications, but I somehow doubt you have something to back it up. And really, evil? That's a gross mischaracterization and little else. A number of actions Obama has taken run contrary to what I believe he should be doing, but of course the question comes down to this: In the areas where Romney and Obama's policies differ (and there are a decent number), which would I prefer? The answer is of course Obama's. It's quite easy to act above the fray and claim that both parties are just as bad with no real understanding of how policy is enacted, but to do so would be to devalue the concept of equivalency to the point of meaninglessness. [QUOTE=laserguided;38355618]Unless you disagree? Canada is honestly the best choice out there if you wan't equal society that supports multiculturalism and freedom.[/QUOTE] I think a few central and northern European nations might disagree with you, based on IHDI and other reputable inequality/development rankings.
[QUOTE=Megafan;38355689]And you base this on what exactly? I'm not saying it's implausible that a citizen would be given a skilled job over an immigrant, if they had the same qualifications, but I somehow doubt you have something to back it up. And really, evil? That's a gross mischaracterization and little else. A number of actions Obama has taken run contrary to what I believe he should be doing, but of course the question comes down to this: In the areas where Romney and Obama's policies differ (and there are a decent number), which would I prefer? The answer is of course Obama's. It's quite easy to act above the fray and claim that both parties are just as bad with no real understanding of how policy is enacted, but to do so would be to devalue the concept of equivalency to the point of meaninglessness. I think a few central and northern European nations might disagree with you, based on IHDI and other reputable inequality/development rankings.[/QUOTE] True, but he seems fluent in English I'd recommend Canada.. about the American over immigrant thing, really society supports it to be honest. It isn't fair in the American point of view having a immigrant come over and take a job you could have otherwise gotten. Especially in a time of economic hardship and a good chunk of population below the poverty line. Lots of controversy over that issue.
[QUOTE=Ponder;38354291][IMG]http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/Ponderlol/REPUBLICAN%20RAGE%20LOL/lol1-1.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/Ponderlol/REPUBLICAN%20RAGE%20LOL/lol2-1.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o669/Ponderlol/REPUBLICAN%20RAGE%20LOL/lol3.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I like how people immediately assume that Communism is bad. In theory, Communism is probably one of the best ideas for government. It's just that it's easily manipulated by greed.
Socialist democracy is a good compromise between the two.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38355712]True, but he seems fluent in English I'd recommend Canada.. about the American over immigrant thing, really society supports it to be honest. It isn't fair in the American point of view having a immigrant come over and take a job you could have otherwise gotten. Especially in a time of economic hardship and a good chunk of population below the poverty line. Lots of controversy over that issue.[/QUOTE] Eeeeh, not really. I've seen people throw shit fits about [i]illegal[/i] immigrants before, but very rarely immigrants in general. In fact, the place where my dad works has many Ukranian and Vietnamese immigrants in its employ. Of course, this is anecdotal, but I haven't noticed much discrimination as long as you speak English and have all your papers sorted.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;38355796]I like how people immediately assume that Communism is bad. In theory, Communism is probably one of the best ideas for government. It's just that it's easily manipulated by greed.[/QUOTE] imo it falls apart due to size. If everyone knows each other personally (only really possible with 200-300 people) then there's a vested interest to keep it working.
I was having a fine and dandy day, knowing Romney won't be in charge for at least four years, and then I went to [I]Twitter[/I]. The stupid. It hurts.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;38355796]I like how people immediately assume that Communism is bad. In theory, Communism is probably one of the best ideas for government. It's just that it's easily manipulated by greed.[/QUOTE] ...like any uthopia it's in theory the best, but doesnt work [editline]7th November 2012[/editline] In before (20 years) The Soviet States Of America are formed and all the movies are about evil american communists trying to blow the world up while russian ranger boys stop them
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;38355796]I like how people immediately assume that Communism is bad. In theory, Communism is probably one of the best ideas for government. It's just that it's easily manipulated by greed.[/QUOTE] communism isn't a system that gets elected in, anyone who read marx's stuff will tell you that. it has never existed, and likely never will.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38355942]communism isn't a system that gets elected in, anyone who read marx's stuff will tell you that. it has never existed, and likely never will.[/QUOTE] Communism is absolutely against human nature. Although marx said it was possible if machines did all the work for people. Actually the soviet union deformed marx's theory a lot and made it even more impossible.
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