• United States Presidential Election 2012 MEGATHREAD
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;38357462]Dude, having a "RINO" is the only thing that got you close to winning in the first place.[/QUOTE] Unlikely. This was a turn-out election and turn-out was low, especially for conservatives. A lot of conservatives didn't buy into Romney and neither did independents. People saw right through Romney's lies and his pretending to be conservative. It also didn't help that Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode, and the Ron Paul write-ins split the ticket. [url=http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2010/06/25/gallup-conservatives-outnumber-liberals-2-to-1/]We still have twice as many conservatives in this country than liberals, and that isn't going to change.[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38357462] The Republican Party has been pretty stupid for over a decade.[/QUOTE] I know that. It's been downright moronic. That's why I said the 'original' idea behind the party. But then again that was just Abe Lincoln.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38357615]A lot of conservatives didn't buy into Romney and neither did independents. People saw right through Romney's lies and his pretending to be conservative.[/QUOTE] A lot of everyone didn't buy what he said, he was trying to appeal to everyone at once and came across as not actually having any opinions on anything other than cutting taxes and spending, with no real plans on how he'd do that, either.
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As an European I didn't got much into the internal policies of both Obama or Romney. However Romney did really scare me. I was kinda "praying" that he didn't win. No offence to the ones who voted in Romney here. So, the reasons why the guy gave us the creeps is that, right now Europe is fighting against Free Markets. We are currently working very hard to discipline the wanna be "free markets" so we can really get out of this situation that the US crisis brought us. Romney didn't have a plan for Europe or the world. Romney actually sounded like he despised Europe, like we're some backwater communist/socialist continent when we're not. Then he wanted to liberalize the markets which would doom all our efforts in trying to balance our economy. And I personally think that was the main cause of Romney's downfall during the elections. Well, that and the religious conservative maniacs around him. What is scary though is how the hell someone like Romney gathered so much votes in a western civilized country such as the USA. Would he be running for presidency in Europe, he would just be eaten alive by both the people and the press. I mean, we have our own idiots in politics around here, but God damn did Romney redefined stupidity.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38358339]As an European I didn't got much into the internal policies of both Obama or Romney. However Romney did really scare me. I was kinda "praying" that he didn't win. No offence to the ones who voted in Romney here. So, the reasons why the guy gave us the creeps is that, right now Europe is fighting against Free Markets. We are currently working very hard to discipline the wanna be "free markets" so we can really get out of this situation that the US crisis brought us. Romney didn't have a plan for Europe or the world. Romney actually sounded like he despised Europe, like we're some backwater communist/socialist continent when we're not. Then he wanted to liberalize the markets which would doom all our efforts in trying to balance our economy. And I personally think that was the main cause of Romney's downfall during the elections. Well, that and the religious conservative maniacs around him. What is scary though is how the hell someone like Romney gathered so much votes in a western civilized country such as the USA. Would he be running for presidency in Europe, he would just be eaten alive by both the people and the press. I mean, we have our own idiots in politics around here, but God damn did Romney redefined stupidity.[/QUOTE] communist scum
I'd rather be commie, than having Rommie. OH SNAP
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However, I see that Romney got pretty close to Obama. In your point of view what do you guys think is the reason for this. I mean, what are the Obama's cons - I mean the real ones, not the ones that itch the rednecks - in social policies and stuff?
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38358591]However, I see that Romney got pretty close to Obama. In your point of view what do you guys think is the reason for this. I mean, what are the Obama's cons - I mean the real ones, not the ones that itch the rednecks - in social policies and stuff?[/QUOTE] You forget that a large portion of voters are itchy rednecks.
[QUOTE=rinoaff33;38358599]You forget that a large portion of voters are itchy rednecks.[/QUOTE] I kinda suspected that. But still, I hear from lots of policies that some Obama's policies are not that great as the world wide media paint him.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38358591]However, I see that Romney got pretty close to Obama. In your point of view what do you guys think is the reason for this. I mean, what are the Obama's cons - I mean the real ones, not the ones that itch the rednecks - in social policies and stuff?[/QUOTE] They all have cons. Obama has the least cons. For example, Obama lies to the public and does not answer sensitive questions, he also signed some stupid bill that let the govt detain someone without charges, forever. A good example of that is "We the people" crap. He is center-right so does not support legalization of marijuana and stuff of that sort, the exception being gay marriage. He loves Israeli dick, supports Bahrain and Saudi Arabia even though they're worse then Iran, typical American foreign policy so not much change there. He did not really go full-on with his "Change and hope" thing that he was campaigning on for his first term. You asked for the cons I gave you some cons.
I still find it incredible how in 4 years the election campaign became so insane I mean republicans going from a reasonable candidate like McCain, to almost all of the republican nominees
[QUOTE=laserguided;38358648]They all have cons. Obama has the least cons. For example, Obama lies to the public and does not answer sensitive questions, he also signed some stupid bill that let the govt detain someone without charges, forever. A good example of that is "We the people" crap. He is center-right so does not support legalization of marijuana and stuff of that sort, the exception being gay marriage. He loves Israeli dick, supports Bahrain and Saudi Arabia even though they're worse then Iran, typical American foreign policy so not much change there. He did not really go full-on with his "Change and hope" thing that he was campaigning on for his first term. You asked for the cons I gave you some cons.[/QUOTE] Where can I see your articles for fox news?
[QUOTE=laserguided;38358648]They all have cons. Obama has the least cons. For example, Obama lies to the public and does not answer sensitive questions[/QUOTE] Define "sensitive questions" and tell me how many presidents have answered them. [QUOTE]he also signed some stupid bill that let the govt detain someone without charges, forever.[/QUOTE] If he didn't the military would have $0, as the NDAA is the military budget bill passed every year. The whole "nation security/detainment" part was tacked onto the bill and nearly all of Congress approved it, making a veto a moot point. He also said "I have signed the Act chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families, and vital national security programs that must be renewed . . . I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists." [QUOTE]A good example of that is "We the people" crap. He is center-right so does not support legalization of marijuana and stuff of that sort, the exception being gay marriage.[/QUOTE] He supported decriminalization of marijuana when he was a senator and is now pretty neutral to the issue. He'll probably support states declaring marijuana use legal but won't directly support federally legalizing it lest conservative democrats soil their pants. He's also expressed sentiments about wanting to stop wasting money on busting petty crimes like drug usage. [QUOTE]He loves Israeli dick, supports Bahrain and Saudi Arabia even though they're worse then Iran, typical American foreign policy so not much change there.[/QUOTE] Maybe. [QUOTE]He did not really go full-on with his "Change and hope" thing that he was campaigning on for his first term. You asked for the cons I gave you some cons.[/QUOTE] He tried, at least, especially with his [butchered] healthcare proposal. The president does not control Congress and lawmaking directly.
[QUOTE=Ponder;38358697]Where can I see your articles for fox news?[/QUOTE] Everything I said was true though. Everytime someone asks him something that we don't already know he avoids it almost completely. I'm a socialist, I'm pretty sure the last thing I'd be watching is Fox News. Also, Administrations policy on marijuana. [url]https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/legalize-and-regulate-marijuana-manner-similar-alcohol/y8l45gb1[/url] Then, on the Bradley Manning case a reporter asked Obama at a party or something and he simply said "He broke the law, no question about it" even though he had not even gone to trial. About the NDAA military budget thing, he could have vetoed it and forced the republicans to cooperate. And by sensitive questions I meant nearly every question that is sensitive to the government, I'm not going to truck through a hundred videos to tack them onto my argument. He will avoid them, a good example was that Google hangout thing he did awhile ago. He didn't even answer most of them, he simply said the same things he has said over and over. Its not about previous presidents, because he promised change and transparency.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38358629]I kinda suspected that. But still, I hear from lots of policies that some Obama's policies are not that great as the world wide media paint him.[/QUOTE] they're also not as terrible as some people paint them out to be. I just got done with a guy on facebook who posted an article on "13 ways obamacare will ruin your life" needless to say the article is from a site that displays little if any restraint in taking things to an extremist context, even by fox nation standards [url]http://patriotupdate.com/25525/13-ways-obamacare-will-ruin-your-life[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/zZplj.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/vZJt2.png[/img] 3 hours passed then he deleted the big comment.
That means you won the argument, congratulations :v:
-snip- I apologize for that
[QUOTE=daijitsu;38358742]they're also not as terrible as some people paint them out to be. I just got done with a guy on facebook who posted an article on "13 ways obamacare will ruin your life" needless to say the article is from a site that displays little if any restraint in taking things to an extremist context, even by fox nation standards [url]http://patriotupdate.com/25525/13-ways-obamacare-will-ruin-your-life[/url] [img]http://i.imgur.com/zZplj.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/vZJt2.png[/img] 3 hours passed then he deleted the big comment.[/QUOTE] I take it you're the guy corresponding to him. It's not worth it, trust me.
[QUOTE=RidleySmash;38359042]Wait a minute, why should we care about other countries? You have your own problems, and YOU guys need to fix them, not us, we have WAY too many problems going on over here, once they're sorted out then we'll worry about you guys. [B]Of course this is coming from somebody who wants a World War 3 to happen, the human race needs to start over, I'm sick of it(and no, it's not because of this election).[/B][/QUOTE] You want a WW3 to happen so we're all irradiated for hundreds of thousands of years and humanity would be thrown back into the stone age due to lost knowledge?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;38355796]I like how people immediately assume that Communism is bad. In theory, Communism is probably one of the best ideas for government. It's just that it's easily manipulated by greed.[/QUOTE] Communism, or to be more accurate Bolshevism, just fails flat out. One-party state and central planning is the equivalent of one corporation controlling the entire country.
[QUOTE=RidleySmash;38359042]Wait a minute, why should we care about other countries? You have your own problems, and YOU guys need to fix them, not us, we have WAY too many problems going on over here, once they're sorted out then we'll worry about you guys. Of course this is coming from somebody who wants a World War 3 to happen, the human race needs to start over, I'm sick of it(and no, it's not because of this election I wasn't for Romney or Obama as I hate them both).[/QUOTE] I'm going to pretend I didn't read that WW3 bullshit. You might haven't noticed but the world crisis was caused by US banks. And we're all paying for it. and yes, you should care for the rest of the world since your country is considered a world power. This means you're actions have repercussions in the rest of the globe, which means, we don't need rednecks and eccentric greedy businessmen destroying what's left of the world economy. So yes, since Europe actually actively supports the US you should care for the rest of the world and assume responsibility for the mess "you" put us into.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38359055]You want a WW3 to happen so we're all irradiated for hundreds of thousands of years and humanity would be thrown back into the stone age due to lost knowledge?[/QUOTE] *sigh* To honest, not really, but I just can't stand all the shit that's going in the world, now I'm not talking about wars or anything like cause they're always gonna happen,but the world is a huge mess and the only way it's going to get cleaned up is completely starting over. Goddammit, I'm doing it again, I really need to keep my mouth shut and just stay in the Gmod section...
[QUOTE=redhaven;38359079]Communism, or to be more accurate Bolshevism, just fails flat out. One-party state and central planning is the equivalent of one corporation controlling the entire country.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what the world crisis is doing to the most affected countries in Europe. the so hypocritically called "communists". IMF, ECB, UE and the measures they are forced to impose due to the world crisis are strangling fragile countries such as Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, Ireland, etc etc to a point in which there is no longer money to pay the public function or to guarantee the retirement funds from social security. Which means, hypocritically forcing people to work till an older age but if you go unemployed at the age of 40 you won't get any job. Industry and businesses going bankrupt so either governments let them go bankrupt or they nationalize them. The only problem is most of the times the governments are just nationalizing the business's debts, so less private initiative, less jobs, more debt for the government. Which means, the american greedy capitalism responsible for the crisis is actually causing "communism" to be forced in the working class which is really worrying. and although there may be this idea of Socialism and Bolshevism in Europe. There's no such thing. Sure there are communist parties and socialist parties in the government, and yes, they have weight in the government. However, one has to look at it from a historical point of view. While in the US there's this stigma about communism due to the USSR vs USA phenomenon, most European countries, in the 40's were ruled either by fascist regimes (my country is such a case) or authoritarian ones, hence the great communist projection during the downfall of those regimes. However, when the USSR fell, the real news from communist regimes started to come out and the now called communist and socialist parties changed their ways into a more, let's say "soft" "non-Bolshevist" communism. Would Romney win, he would destroy the already frail economy of the world by liberalizing the markets. Which means we would all be governed by great businesses, banks and would be enslaved to their economy.
[QUOTE=Behemoth_PT;38359053]I take it you're the guy corresponding to him. It's not worth it, trust me.[/QUOTE] if it even makes him question the site once, maybe he'll look around, if only out of spite to prove his point the typing was well worth it, I got to think a little for it and a few friends pm'd me to thank me because he'd been attacking them on their political posts all week. plus I got a screen cap so it wasn't wasted, heh.
I've been waiting to ask this question for so long, I've searched Google and Wikipedia and others as much as I could. What did Bill Clinton do to have a surplus, and why can't we just do that?
My mom posted on my wall saying she's crying and that she's going to have a long talk with me when I get home. Apparently, I CAUSED OBAMA TO WIN. I helped, but shit...
I'm a little bit nervous that Obama is still our President. Here's hoping he turns things around in his second term!
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