• Violence on television causes humans to be violent in real life.
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But the fact that these are very young children makes them susceptible to mental manipulation from events witnessed. A 16 year old who plays violent games isn't going to copy the character's every action like these kids did, on the grounds that they have the mental capacity to understand what they're doing.
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First of all, their is no TV show that shows violence in a truly positive light. Their is no main character who murders people brutally , and is actually supposed to be rooted for. Second of all, people can tell the difference between reality and imagination land. We are taught this our entire life. Thirdly, Kids, to the extreme, emulate their parents first, what they see comes way after that. If a kids parents teach them why it is wrong to hurt others, then they aren't going to go out and assault people just cause they saw it on TV. Now if you want to say that abused kids become abusive, then fine, I'd agree with you. Fourth, people have free will. The only people who actually go out and murder people are the people who gave up their free will. I have urges to do all sorts of terrible things, but I have logic, which invariably stops me. I will concede that very small children slip past some of these safeguards, but they still can't lose the parental one. If you make sure your child knows right and wrong, then nothing will happen.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels]First of all, their is no TV show that shows violence in a truly positive light. [b]Their is no main character who murders people brutally[/b] , and is actually supposed to be rooted for. Second of all, people can tell the difference between reality and imagination land. We are taught this our entire life. Thirdly, Kids, to the extreme, emulate their parents first, what they see comes way after that. If a kids parents teach them why it is wrong to hurt others, then they aren't going to go out and assault people just cause they saw it on TV. Now if you want to say that abused kids become abusive, then fine, I'd agree with you. Fourth, people have free will. The only people who actually go out and murder people are the people who gave up their free will. I have urges to do all sorts of terrible things, but I have logic, which invariably stops me. I will concede that very small children slip past some of these safeguards, but they still can't lose the parental one. If you make sure your child knows right and wrong, then nothing will happen.[/QUOTE] Dexter.
[QUOTE=gww1]People are used to violence, that's the main problem. During WWI, the army had a problem that people who had volunteered for the army would 'freeze up' when they had to shoot someone for the first time, and they had to train soldiers shooting pictures of the enemy to prevent this from happening. Over the years, the amount of training armies put in for this purpose has decreased until now it's virtually none, and that's almost entirely because of the media doing their job for them. The media in general desensitises people to violence, and that makes people commit violence more easily, and that applies to everyone. There's no way of getting around that.[/QUOTE] Well first of all, you really have no proof of this claim, and I really doubt that all the soldiers out there today just run into to combat and start making "headshots" without a second thought. And second of all, people are less violent today. Think about the crusades. The farther you go back, the more barbaric people get. It's how the media now bombards us with news of death and crime that makes us think there is a some crisis going on. That, and it's human nature to panic at nothing. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Cheesemonkey]Dexter.[/QUOTE] Dexter who? Surely not dexter's lab dexter? :v:
Dexter is the name of the program and main character
It's a show about a serial killer.
[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey]It's a show about a serial killer.[/QUOTE] I just read about it. Well, that's not really anything new if you ask me; it's just that age old archaic idea of the death penalty being "righteous". That's our past coming to haunt us, not the future. But I'll take it as an example. Ok, fine, there are fucked up television shows out there. Don't let your kids watch them. In fact, I don't know why anyone would watch those kinds of shows; they aren't honest. I'm ok with violence if the show keeps things in perspective. Like, I would even be ok with a show about a serial killer who couldn't help himself, as long as it didn't start saying what he was doing was alright. I actually would be fascinated by such a show; like a show that exposes societies extreme prejudice towards what we term "criminals".
[QUOTE=ryandaniels]Just read about it. Well, that's not really anything new if you ask me; it's just that age old archaic idea of the death penalty being "righteous". That's our past coming to haunt us, not the future. But I'll take it as an example. Ok, fine, there are fucked up television shows out there. Don't let your kids watch them. In fact, I don't know why anyone would watch those kinds of shows; they aren't honest. I'm ok with violence if the show keeps things in perspective. Like, I would even be ok with a show about a serial killer who couldn't help himself, as long as it didn't start saying what he was doing was alright. I actually would be fascinated by such a show; like a show that exposes societies extreme prejudice towards what we term "criminals".[/QUOTE] But it's still a show about serial killers.
Bugs Bunny shows violence in a positive light.
[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey]But it's still a show about serial killers.[/QUOTE] So? As long as something makes it clear that it does not endorse violent, through the content, then I don't know why someone would be inclined to do it. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=DualReaverV2]Bugs Bunny shows violence in a positive light.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's true... Hey help me out here, which episode was it where bugs bunny kills Elmer Fudd? I love that one. Sure there is "violence" in those cartoons, but it doesn't endorse violence in it's true ideological form. Pain, destruction, death; you don't get that from a the coyote accidentally blowing himself up, only to be perfectly fine a few seconds later.
Maybe if the Doll wasn't intended for hitting it'd make more sense.
[QUOTE=garry]There was a lot of wrong people in the thread I just closed. They believed that witnessing violence does not make you violent. This is wrong. There was a famous experiment called the bobo doll experiment. Read about it here [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobo_doll_experiment[/url]. Everything a child sees it learns. If it sees violence on TV, it leans how to be violent. Here's the video of it [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK4NPc7HCnY[/media] Seems pretty conclusive to me..[/QUOTE] I'm sorry Garry, but I'm afraid I must say [highlight][i]BULLSHIT[/i][/highlight]
[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk]But what about this: There were gladiators in ancient times and people watched them to kill themselves. So wouldn't that make the viewers violent? And in medival times there were public executions. So i think it's more civilisaized to show acted violence rather than real.[/QUOTE] Gladiators rarely died. Slaves are rather expensive. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=CrazyMoron]Maybe if the Doll wasn't intended for hitting it'd make more sense.[/QUOTE] Children who were shown nonagressive ways to play or no way at all were kind to the doll and didn't insult it or anything. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Solid Boss]I'm sorry Garry, but I'm afraid I must say [highlight][i]BULLSHIT[/i][/highlight][/QUOTE] Awwww! Did oor ickle hobby get slammed? Diddums!
Well there is only one way to play with a Bobo doll...and it involves smacking it around...I'd like to see the control group for this experiment.
[QUOTE=ryandaniels]And second of all, people are less violent today. Think about the crusades. The farther you go back, the more barbaric people get.[/QUOTE] It's only ever been a very small proportion of people who ever acted like that, the general population acted properly. It's the same thing today in poorer places like africa; people think they all act barbarically and violently, but the vast majority of people act peacefully and with good intentions, it's just a very small peoportion of people who act completely insane. The thing people are worried about now is that the general population is becoming desensetized to violence, which i think is something to worry about.
[QUOTE=NewEra]So what about people watch porn? They learn to have sex better?[/QUOTE] Yeah man porn is so realistic.
I don't see how this proves anything. Children see that you're supposed to hit the doll to play with it. This is the only thing they've been taught about the doll. Therefore, they hit the doll. Humans aren't dolls, and violence isn't the only thing being taught to children pertaining to interacting with other people.
I grew up playing violent video games. Nothing is wrong with me. It's those kids who have no self-control and have the IQ equivalent to their shoe size.
*Rates Garry funny in every one of his posts because I desperately want him to pay heed to my pointless existence*
Reminds me of a fallout Raider when he swings the hammer at it
Sweet so what do you do about it then? I still don't agree with it though. I've been around violence in T.V. and grown up with Violent movies and video games. I still can't deal with real gore and etc, and I'm defiantly not violent. While it could influence it, I certainly don't think it causes it. It influences it just like anything else does.
I fucking watched Bevis and Butthead as a kid and I am not fucked up the ass... Huhuhuhuhuuu, you said ass.
[QUOTE=lazyguy]Yeah man porn is so realistic.[/QUOTE] It made me a million times better my first time... :v:
[QUOTE=PyroraptorV2]I don't see how this proves anything. Children see that you're supposed to hit the doll to play with it. This is the only thing they've been taught about the doll. Therefore, they hit the doll. Humans aren't dolls, and violence isn't the only thing being taught to children pertaining to interacting with other people.[/QUOTE] This is the point. On TV kids are shown how to beat people up and nasty things to say. Kids who saw adults having tea parties and asking how the wife is did just that. Children imitate what they see adults doing. FACT. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=T1L_Goose]Sweet so what do you do about it then? I still don't agree with it though. I've been around violence in T.V. and grown up with Violent movies and video games. I still can't deal with real gore and etc, and I'm defiantly not violent. While it could influence it, I certainly don't think it causes it. It influences it just like anything else does.[/QUOTE] I was on 4chan at 11 and wtch violent films and play violent games all the time. I am very fucked up.
[QUOTE=garry]There was a lot of wrong people in the thread I just closed. They believed that witnessing violence does not make you violent. This is wrong. There was a famous experiment called the bobo doll experiment. Read about it here [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobo_doll_experiment[/url]. Everything a child sees it learns. If it sees violence on TV, it leans how to be violent. Here's the video of it [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK4NPc7HCnY[/media] Seems pretty conclusive to me..[/QUOTE] This just in: Scientists tell me I am violent. Despite having never met me, or even heard of me. Sounds fking conclusive to me. I've been playing violent games since before I can remember, and I have yet to kill or seriously hurt somebody.
If they say you are violent then you immediate reaction to things is violence, even if you don't know it. AHUFUFU I'M NOT VIOLENT I ONLY HIT THEM WHERE IT WON'T SHOW
Dunno if this has been said yet, but if what Garry says is true, then foszor's kid is most definitely fucked: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nL4C4yM-sQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM5TF42hNIk[/media] [b]Edit:[/b] [/irony] (Forgot the [/irony] tag.)
Oh for God's sake garry...
This only happens to humans susceptible to violence. Being human means being able to constrain yourself.
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