• Weightlifting/Bodybuilding Thread V.4 - I wanna look like that guy from Fight Club
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[QUOTE=Seith;37493820]Going to buy Bromocriptine. Jager, are you familiar with that drug and it's application in fatloss?[/QUOTE] I'm familiar with the class of drug, but I don't know much about bromo specifically. Casus will have more to tell you, but AFAIK cabergoline and pramipexole are superior drugs in that class. Prami being especially notable for it's massive Growth Hormone surge for a few hours after administration (apparently a 400% increase in one case), as to whether that has any long term benefit I'm not sure. Lyle Mcdonald has a whole book on bromo and it's use in weight loss, which might be worth buying or uhh otherwise acquiring. There's also this post which briefly covers some of it's application in that arena: [url]http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/4820-bromocriptine-weight-loss-nandi.html[/url]
The reason I'm buying it is because of his book. I read it entirely. I don't know how these other drugs you've mentioned work, but Bromo isn't not a fatloss drug by itself, (i.e gh spikes) so it's a different class of drug. I'll post my results with it when I take it.
[QUOTE=Seith;37493968]The reason I'm buying it is because of his book. I read it entirely. I don't know how these other drugs you've mentioned work, but Bromo isn't not a fatloss drug by itself, (i.e gh spikes) so it's a different class of drug. I'll post my results with it when I take it.[/QUOTE] They all work pretty similarly AFAIK, they are all dopamine agonists. Yeah none of them directly contribute to fat loss, as I understood it the main application in this scenario is as an appetite suppressant. I've got some pramipexole lying around here incase I ever decide to do trenbolone. Decided to dose it one night just for shits and giggles, I was tired as a motherfucker after taking it, slept like a baby, then BAM woke up 6 hours later wide awake, horny as fuck too.
You got it right on the dopamine. As far as reducing appetite, that's right - it will. But it's not effective in terms of fat loss because it decreases appetite, but rather because it tricks the brain to think leptin levels are where they should be thus making you lose fat dramatically A tale of two more hormones: NPY and CRH As research into the neurochemistry of appetite and bodyweight regulation took off, it quickly become clear that the system was extremely complex. Although leptin was the main signal from bodyfat to the brain, there were literally a dozen (or more) other chemicals that were affecting metabolism, hormones, appetite, etc. further downstream. These got divided up into orexins, which stimulate appetite, and anorexins, which blunt it. They all have horribly complex names, such as proopiomelanocortin (POMC), alpha-melanocyte stimulating hormone (alpha-MSH), cocaine and amphetamine regulated transcript (CART) and many others (41). More are still being found. However, we only need concern ourselves with the two that appear to be the primary compounds involved in ’sending’ the signal from leptin. These two compounds are neuropeptide Y (NPY) and corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH). Both cause a number of effects in the body, including the regulation of appetite, hormone release, and metabolic rate. NPY also appears to turn attention towards food. If you inject NPY into the brain of a rat, it will forego sex in order to drink sugar water. Basically, when NPY is high, everything takes a back seat to food (50). I mentioned very early in this book that injecting insulin into animals blunts their hunger, and it turns out that it does this by decreasing NPY levels (8). If you inject leptin into their brains (or into the DB mouse), the same thing happens: NPY and CRH normalize and so does metabolism. In addition, NPY and CRH appear to be intimately involved in nutrient partitioning, where calories go after you ingest them (51). When leptin is high, changes in NPY and CRH decrease fat storage and at least try to promote leanness. There is also decrease in cortisol levels (from normalization of CRH) which is part of the improvement in insulin resistance. As I mentioned, leptin doesn t work tremendously well in humans to promote leanness, having its major effect in telling your body to adapt during starvation. As leptin drops, or you get a decreased leptin signal from leptin resistance, you see a characteristic change in both NPY and CRH and an increased tendency towards fat storage, due to changes in metabolic rate, fat burning, etc. You also get insulin resistance (remember the Obese Syrian Hamster?). Summarizing, NPY and CRH are the main link between leptin and the end results that are seen in terms of metabolic rate, fat burning, hormones, appetite, etc. (41). Leptin (and insulin, and as it turns out, grhelin) is affecting NPY and CRH, and that s affecting metabolism further downstream. Which brings us, finally, to the last piece of the puzzle. Researchers gave the same cocktail of bromocriptine (a D2 agonist) and SKF38393 (a D1 agonist) to the same OB mice used in the other studies, and directly measured levels of NPY and CRH by sticking a needle in their little rat brains. Activating the dopamine (DA) receptors lowers levels of NPY and CRH just like leptin would (52). This makes the mouse brain think everything is normal, and the rest of the metabolic picture corrects. Depending on what part of the brain the researchers looked at, NPY dropped by 39-43%; with a 45-50% decrease in CRH. This brought levels back down to those seen in normal mice (52). Bromocriptine and SKF38393, through their effect at the DA receptors, normalized brain chemistry. This suggests strongly that brain DA levels and their activation of the DA receptors is controlling metabolism further on, by affecting NPY and CRH levels. As a further data point in this regard, a class of drugs called ’atypical antipsychotic’ drugs has long been known to cause severe weight gain and problems with blood glucose and lipid levels, both of which are involved in insulin resistance syndrome (53). While some of this is due to increased appetite, there are other effects such as decreased metabolic rate. It turns out that part of the way that these drugs work is by blocking the D2 receptor (54). Block the DA receptor, and the brain thinks its starving, and adapts accordingly. And, as the final nail in this coffin, new research has shown up implicating problems with both DA levels and the DA receptor as being involved in obesity (43, 44). Simply put, DA levels and activation of DA receptors is controlling a major part of metabolism, obesity, etc. You can expect the development of new DA agonist drugs for obesity to start showing up within a few years. For now, you have a head start, a 30 year-old drug called bromocriptine. But that still leaves one last question: does leptin work via DA? [/i] If you want the rest of the information pm me
[QUOTE=sputnick;37492584]How get juicy Traps guys I do deadlifts, uptight rows and shrugs but im seeing minimal mass gain. I want tom hardy in warrior tier traps[/QUOTE] Traps are largely genetics. However, they respond better to higher reps/lower weight. I have huge traps virtually identical to Hardy's in Warrior, yet I've never shrugged more than 1 plate. Do a lighter weight like that to failure for 3-4 sets and your traps will blow up.
[QUOTE=Thaard;37493164]What's the req's?[/QUOTE] Depends on your weight. I'm only 66kg so i have to do a total of 335KG in squat, dead and bench. (which i can do lol) However, i weighed in at 66.75 (i got myself down to 66.10) so i was put in the 74KG (355kg total or something) class. Which is a bit heavier then what i'm used too. So i didn't qualify which is kinda shit.
Ah, finally over my bench and squat plateau. Feels good man.
man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37509065]man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up[/QUOTE] I got rid of most of mine by scrubbing my back with soap and sponge each time I showered, and getting some sun while the summer was going on.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37509065]man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up[/QUOTE] Salt water, dries that shit right up.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37509065]man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up[/QUOTE] salycilic acid, benzoyl peroxide are both good. You can get salycilic acid sprays and scrubs; I prefer scrubs. I also use them together, but not at the same time: benzoyl throughout the night, and scrub when I shower in the morning.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37509065]man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up[/QUOTE] Accutane? Or just stop doing roids
I've used a myriad of different acne clearing products, and most do jack shit, almost makes me hate laying on benches, flairs up the next day and takes weeks to clear up. By then more appear, sucks.
make sure your bedsheets are clean. Usually after I wash mine, my bacne goes away in like a week lol
So my mom had some creatine here at home, and I have no idea why she would need it, but I decided to try it today, since you guys recommend it so much. Then I had to lay down for an hour or 2 because I had some really bad migraines. So now it's been 2 hours or so since I took the pills. Would it still work if I start working out now? And what are the effects on taking creatine and not working out?
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;37512938]make sure your bedsheets are clean. Usually after I wash mine, my bacne goes away in like a week lol[/QUOTE] I wash mine once every 6-7 days, but it isn't enough, acne is mostly determined by genetics, and being clean, and I keep myself clean.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;37513380]I wash mine once every 6-7 days, but it isn't enough, acne is mostly determined by genetics, and being clean, and I keep myself clean.[/QUOTE] yeah, I know it's different for everyone. just thought i'd share what works for me
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;37513654]yeah, I know it's different for everyone. just thought i'd share what works for me[/QUOTE] Probably need to expose my skin to the sun more, it cleared up a lot being out for a couple hours, but I keep forgetting/don't have time to do that.
[QUOTE=D3TBS;37513369]So my mom had some creatine here at home, and I have no idea why she would need it, but I decided to try it today, since you guys recommend it so much. Then I had to lay down for an hour or 2 because I had some really bad migraines. So now it's been 2 hours or so since I took the pills. Would it still work if I start working out now? And what are the effects on taking creatine and not working out?[/QUOTE] do you understand what Creatine is and what it does? It doesn't give some sort of drug boost lmao. You take creatine everyday, and in turn, you get minor strength increases which gives you more time doing your lifts. Creatine shouldn't give you a headache.
He probably OD'ed on creatine.
weve been over this dont do it again or youl give handjobs behind mcdonalds for your next fix like your mum [editline]3rd September 2012[/editline] oh and bacne is pissing me off too, i got it from this damn suntan oil this year and it wont go away ;____; its unaesthetic as fuck
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37509065]man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up[/QUOTE] pct jk, take a tablespoon of the almighty coconut oil before bed
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;37515094]Probably need to expose my skin to the sun more, it cleared up a lot being out for a couple hours, but I keep forgetting/don't have time to do that.[/QUOTE] damn dude I forgot how good the sun is. sun and salt water is a miracle for my skin. if anyone has acne problems, find a beach if you can.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;37509065]man my bacne is insane [editline]2nd September 2012[/editline] anyone know any supps/vitamins to help clear this shit up[/QUOTE] benzac 5%
However, in practice, there are signs as to whether you have good insulin sensitivity or not and possibly whether you over-secrete insulin. Here’s two very simple questions to ask yourself regarding your response to diet. 1. On high-carbohydrate intakes, do you find yourself getting pumped and full or sloppy and bloated? If the former, you have good insulin sensitivity; if the latter, you don’t. 2. When you eat a large carbohydrate meal, do you find that you have steady and stable energy levels or do you get an energy crash/sleep and get hungry about an hour later? If the former, you probably have normal/low levels of insulin secretion; if the latter, you probably tend to over-secrete insulin which is causing blood glucose to crash which is making you sleepy and hungry. I consider it most likely that superior bodybuilders couple excellent insulin sensitivity with low insulin secretion in response to a meal. This would tend to explain why bodybuilders have often gravitated towards high carb/low-fat diets and been successful on them. At the same time, mediocre bodybuilders frequently get less than stellar results from that same diet. Lowering carbs and increasing dietary fat seems to be more effective in that case some of the low-carb bulking strategies out there probably work better for those individuals. The same goes for fat loss. Cyclical low-carb diets such as my Ultimate Diet 2.0 or the more generic cyclical ktogenic diet (CKD) described in my first book The Ketogenic Diet allow such individuals to briefly enjoy the benefits of heightened muscular insulin sensitivity. Putting it Into Practice If you have good insulin sensitivity and low insulin secretion, odds are you will do well with a traditional bodybuilding type of diet which means high protein, highish carbs and low fat. Let’s say you’re consuming 1 g/lb of protein at 12 cal/lb. That’s 33% protein. If you go to 1.5 g/lb, that’s 50% protein. That leaves you with 50-67% of your calories to allocate between fat and carbohydrate. 15-20% dietary fat is about the lower limit as it becomes impossible to get sufficient essential fatty acids below that intake level. So, at 1 g/lb, your diet will be roughly 33% protein, 47-52% carbs (call it 45-50%) and 15-20% fat. If protein goes to 50% of the total, carbs should come down to 35% of the total with 15% fat. If you’re not insulin sensitive and/or have high insulin secretion, a diet lower in carbs and higher in fat (don’t forget that protein can raise insulin as well) is a better choice. Assuming, again, 40% protein, a good starting place might be 40% protein, 20-30% carbs and 20-30% fat. A further shift to a near ketogenic (or cyclical ketogenic) diet may be necessary, 40% protein, 10-20% carbs and the remainder fat may be the most effective. If protein is set higher, up to 50% protein, carbs would be set at 10-20% with the remainder (20-30%) coming from dietary fat.
I've been doing weighted leg raises for the past couple weeks, but since I'm using a make-shift weight set (bag with books and rocks inside, ghetto style) I have a harder time balancing the stuff between both legs than lifting the weight itself. I've seen good results with it, but I probably shouldn't continue doing it, because one day the bag might snap and down goes the rock right into my stomach, not to mention the fact that I'm trying to work out and not training to be a juggler with all that instability. So I ask you, are there any other worthwhile exercises that are good for your abs?
Hey everyone I know that you are pretty good with helping people start off with lifting, and I'm wondering what would be good for me. I'm about 5'11"-6', and I weigh 170lbs, would stronglifts be a good start? School is starting for me in two days, and i'm thinking of joining the weight club, basically where you can just use all the equipment and work out (squatting racks, bench press, sleds, treadmills ect.) [quote][IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17923674/School/IMAG0140.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17923674/School/IMAG0141.jpg[/IMG] (excuse my odd old man looking body) [/quote] [editline]oldmandicks[/editline] oh also some things to ingest during it would help :v:
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loose some weight and do a split you need to bulk to succesfully do SL or SS and youl just look fate.
[QUOTE=Ruski v2.0;37529764]loose some weight and do a split you need to bulk to succesfully do SL or SS and youl just look fate.[/QUOTE] and what would you suggest doing? i have no experience with working out or anything so im clueless
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