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[QUOTE=Ldesu;34783476]There'll be an app for that :v:[/QUOTE] *cough* *cough* [img]http://www.bmwdrives.com/gallery/BMWlogo/bmw_logo_2.jpg[/img]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9XAC-BvUyo[/media] Now available in V12 too! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMMCxKvPltI&feature=related[/media] *palm*
They need a 20k car and the would under sell the Chevy volt and Prius by some Volt is damn near 40k. You can get a Prius for 23k A 4 door about the size of cruze or Camry area would sell better. 20-25k price. And I don't car if it can do 0-60 in under 4 seconds. Could be 10 and still be ok.
Isn't the iMiev around there after tax incentives?
[QUOTE=Ldesu;34783476]There'll be an app for that :v:[/QUOTE] Most likely just for pedestrian safety, but that's just not gonna satisfy gearheads like me.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34789904]Most likely just for pedestrian safety, but that's just not gonna satisfy gearheads like me.[/QUOTE] Actually Tesla are planning on letting third party developers create apps for the car, so I'm going to bet there's going to be one. Of course, it won't be anywhere near as cool as real engine sound, so if engine sound is very important for you, I'll admit the Tesla's aren't your best option.
To clarify, Im glad that this is happening. You need innovators to progress the technology and make it cost effective. You need an iPhone to happen to make Android phones happen (cliche example but you get my point). The only reason Tesla can do what they do is because of battery technology from laptops and other such portable devices. All of which are demanding less weight and more amp/hours at an ever increasing rate. If you not only had the electronics manufactures trying to find better batteries but also the automotive manufactures looking for better batteries, you will speed up development and innovation for both industry. Next thing you know we have electric cars and phones with quad core processors, big screens and battery life measured in more than mere hours.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;34790596] Of course, it won't be anywhere near as cool as real engine sound, so if engine sound is very important for you, I'll admit the Tesla's aren't your best option.[/QUOTE] Fisker :v: Because it actually has an engine
My friend works there building the powertrains.
[url]http://jalopnik.com/5887265/tesla-motors-devastating-design-problem[/url] +1 electric car rep
[QUOTE=TestECull;34789904]Most likely just for pedestrian safety, but that's just not gonna satisfy gearheads like me.[/QUOTE] I honestly don't think you need to hear a car's engine to not hit by one. You can just hear the tires on the road.
Lol.. epic fail with their design flaw... Oh, your battery died? That'll $40,000 for a new one... if not, enjoy your very expensive [img]http://earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/single-brick.jpg[/img] Cool otherwise.. but the fact that this is even possible is a debacle they'd be wise to remedy.
[QUOTE=clutch2;34841975]Lol.. epic fail with their design flaw... Oh, your battery died? That'll $40,000 for a new one... if not, enjoy your very expensive [img]http://earth911.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/single-brick.jpg[/img] Cool otherwise.. but the fact that this is even possible is a debacle they'd be wise to remedy.[/QUOTE] 5 out of 2000 have been bricked. if you brick it, its your fault alone.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;34841982]5 out of 2000 have been bricked. if you brick it, its your fault alone.[/QUOTE] That's how I see it. I also see people who let their car run completely out of gas as irresponsible.
Shrug, at least if an IC car runs out of gas it just needs a refill. It seems irresponsible to let these go with this known defect in the battery and not call attention to it in the manual. I will agree that allowing the car to get to 0% due to neglect is irresponsible as well, but sometimes it's unavoidable I would imagine. I certainly wouldn't leave it at the airport while I went for a trip knowing this, even if the manual said it "should be good for several weeks." At the fact that even if the owner purchased the $12000 replacement plan for a new battery several years down the road, but can't cash in if the car bricks.. bad business practice. It's as bad as buying an extended warranty, but when something goes wrong BestBuy says "oh, lol that's not covered, catch ya later!"
They've totally underplayed the problem and make no attempt to assist customers who have fallen victim to this flaw. This is not a 'minor bug', it's a part of the car and they are failing to properly inform customers. I wouldn't say it's completely the customer's fault if they aren't informed the battery can become a brick and they happen to leave for the airport. Or the case of the customer who used the extension cord so it wasn't considered a strong enough current to charge the car and resulted in another brick. Of course, it could be partially considered their fault, but Tesla should be making it much more obvious that this can happen. Because it's common sense you keep your car full of oil, it's not common sense that your car can't sit for more than a week without charging. Plus, Oil doesn't typically deplete in 1-6 weeks so calling it "regular maintenance" is a little bit excessive, and my car doesn't completely die if I leave it on low fuel for a few weeks sitting (I might have to empty the fuel). The fact that customers paid $12,000 for a warranty replacement battery can't use it to replace their bricked battery just shows that Tesla is being a bunch of cocks about the issue.
I'm curious to see what Tesla will be doing about this problem on the Model S and X. It's certainly dickish about them to be acting like they do about it.
I added the battery issue in the OP under downsides. [editline]24th February 2012[/editline] Also a good read: [url]http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1073289_tesla-battery-bricking-the-real-story-behind-the-post[/url]
[QUOTE=LarparNar;34845535]I'm curious to see what Tesla will be doing about this problem on the Model S and X. It's certainly dickish about them to be acting like they do about it.[/QUOTE] The source seems to indicate they're not doing anything about it, and while they can't do anything about the battery chemistry they could easily enough rig it where the computers physically disconnect the power when the battery depletes low enough, in order to prevent this. [QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;34841712]I honestly don't think you need to hear a car's engine to not hit by one. You can just hear the tires on the road.[/QUOTE] Incorrect. They're already having issues with hybrids like the Prius in this regard. Pedestrians in cities cannot hear them coming. They're going too slowly to generate any significant wind or tire noise, and since they're running on all battery at those speeds, they make no engine noise either. It is a safety issue. The noise ICE cars makes enables pedestrians in crowded cities to detect they're coming without looking at them. Cars that don't make this noise are absolutely undetectable unless you're looking directly at them. [QUOTE=hoodoo456;34841982]5 out of 2000 have been bricked. if you brick it, its your fault alone.[/QUOTE] Say someone drives their Tesla to LAX, parks it, plugs it in with a suitable cord, then jets off to Tokyo for a business trip lasting two weeks. Someone else walking through the parking lot trips over the cord and unplugs it. There's a very plausible scenario where one of these things could end up bricked entirely without the owner making a mistake. There should be coverage for this under the warranty or car insurance one. It's a known fault with lithium polymer batteries. Avoiding this would be simple, too. Attach a voltmeter to the battery, and when it drops below a certain voltage a relay trips and physically disconnects it from ALL systems. The only electrical connection remaining is to the charge plug. Problem is now solved, the battery will be unable to discharge to the point it cannot be recharged.
Lets say your electricity bill is 15 cents per kWh. (average cost of electricity) Because Tesla Roadster uses 13.5kWh/100km, it only costs 2 dollars to drive 100 kilometers. How fucking awesome is that? The car is a pretty good investment, especially if gas prices are high in your area. [editline]24th February 2012[/editline] And about the battery flaw, that if it runs dry, the battery would become a brick, i think they will fix that issue. And it would not be hard to make a killswitch for it, when battery runs low it would turn the electricity off to protect the batteries. I mean, if i bought this car, i could easily make one myself.
[QUOTE=TestECull;34846674]The source seems to indicate they're not doing anything about it, and while they can't do anything about the battery chemistry they could easily enough rig it where the computers physically disconnect the power when the battery depletes low enough, in order to prevent this.[/quote] The source knows just as much as you or I when it comes to what Tesla is doing about their next models. They're already contacting owners if the vehicles go below a certain level of charge, and in one case where they couldn't find the owner, activated the GPS and went to the car themselves. The $40 000 cost to fix it is ridiculous though, if the owner used the car as described in the manual, and it got discharged some other way. [quote] Say someone drives their Tesla to LAX, parks it, plugs it in with a suitable cord, then jets off to Tokyo for a business trip lasting two weeks. Someone else walking through the parking lot trips over the cord and unplugs it. [/quote] If I somehow managed to trip over and unplug a cord of a parked EV, I would most definitely plug it back in. This is also why the cord should be locked in place and unmovable if the car is locked, which it might be, I'm not sure. [quote] There's a very plausible scenario where one of these things could end up bricked entirely without the owner making a mistake. There should be coverage for this under the warranty or car insurance one. It's a known fault with lithium polymer batteries. [/QUOTE] I agree that the warranty should cover this if the owner is not at fault.
And another plus side. It sounds like a motherfucking jet plane. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-fNGfiFsdU[/media]
[QUOTE=LarparNar] The $40 000 cost to fix it is ridiculous though, if the owner used the car as described in the manual, and it got discharged some other way.[/quote] mhm, thats what the whole issue is over. [quote]If I somehow managed to trip over and unplug a cord of a parked EV, I would most definitely plug it back in.[/quote] i would too, but not everyone is that considerate. There is also some airports far enough into the countryside that would be subject to large animals tripping over the car's charge cord. [Quote]This is also why the cord should be locked in place and unmovable if the car is locked, which it might be, I'm not sure.[/quote] it should be, yes. [Quote]2I agree that the warranty should cover this if the owner is not at fault.[/QUOTE]mhm
Tesla posted a [url=http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/plug-it]blog post[/url] regarding the issue: [quote]A single blogger is spreading a rumor about electric vehicles becoming inoperable. “Bricking” is an irrational fear based on limited information and a misunderstanding of Tesla’s battery system. Here is why the rumor is unfounded: Of the many pleasures that Tesla owners have, one of the most appreciated is nearly worry-free maintenance of their vehicles. As an owner, you no longer have to worry about constant oil changes, exhaust checks, or spark plug replacements. You can drive it for many years by simply plugging it in when needed, and performing maintenance once a year. If anything goes wrong, call us. We’re always happy to hear from our owners. Tesla routinely provides exceptional service that is above and beyond what people have come to expect. In return, we ask that you remember to charge it. A plugged-in Tesla is not only charging its battery, it is also keeping key systems within the car functioning properly. Tesla owners around the world keep their cars charged on a daily basis without any issues at all. If ever the battery in your Tesla runs low, the car is designed to let you know with repeated visual and audible warnings. If you continue to ignore the warnings, they will persist and increase. The vehicle also protects the battery itself by communicating with other systems in the car to conserve energy when the state of charge gets too low. Starting with Roadster 2.0, owners can also elect for their car to contact Tesla headquarters once the state of charge falls below a specified level, and we can then contact the owner. Even in cases of neglect, the latest Tesla batteries are industry leaders. The earliest Roadsters will take over two months to discharge if parked at a 50 percent charge without being plugged in. From that starting point, Tesla has consistently innovated and improved our battery technology. For example, a Model S battery parked with 50 percent charge would approach full discharge only after about 12 months. Model S batteries also have the ability to protect themselves as they approach very low charge levels by going into a “deep sleep” mode that lowers the loss even further. A Model S will not allow its battery to fall below about 5 percent charge. At that point the car can still sit for many months. Of course you can drive a Model S to 0 percent charge, but even in that circumstance, if you plug it in within 30 days, the battery will recover normally. All cars require a certain amount of attention to perform properly. If you drive a gasoline engine with no oil it will fail completely and need to be replaced. The same happens if you drive without sufficient coolant or a broken fan belt and don’t heed the warning signs displayed by the car. At Tesla, we provide many redundant visual and audible warnings if your battery ever needs attention. And from Roadster 2.0 and beyond, your Tesla can even let us know it needs your attention. If that happens, we simply contact you and suggest you charge your car. Owning a Tesla is easy. We design our cars to require minimal maintenance and have included many ways for the car to take care of itself. We have also continually advanced our technology with each new model released. Model S and Model X will have batteries that can sit unplugged for over a year when parked with only a 50 percent charge. And when that year is up, all you need to do is plug it in.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Str4fe;34846874]And another plus side. It sounds like a motherfucking jet plane. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-fNGfiFsdU[/media][/QUOTE] Doesn't even come close to this imo [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrwfgSgoZg[/media]
[QUOTE=Str4fe;34846874]And another plus side. It sounds like a motherfucking jet plane. [/QUOTE] I like that way more than any combustion engine I've ever heard. It's just so futuristic sounding, like you'd expect to hear it from flying cars.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;34848025]Tesla posted a [url=http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/plug-it]blog post[/url] regarding the issue:[/QUOTE] Very interesting read. I wonder what is truth and what is simple rumors, now...? Customers say X that looks bad for the company, company says Y to recover PR.. it's anyone's guess.
[QUOTE=Second-gear-of-mgear;34853563]I like that way more than any combustion engine I've ever heard. It's just so futuristic sounding, like you'd expect to hear it from flying cars.[/QUOTE] But I want my flying car to sound like cammed v8 :v:
I'd love an electric car. The motors are already good enough for this application. I just don't think that traditional batteries are the answer.
I love this [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3v-mb7Uhdk[/media] [editline]25th February 2012[/editline] acceleration looks so smooth
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