• Suicide
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[QUOTE=Sirdrone536;32467583]Avatar fits[/QUOTE] I joke about suicide because I can't take it seriously with 3 dead friends all because of suicide and multiple attempts under my own belt.
I felt like a piece of shit and I was going to do it but I am a coward and always backed away right when I was going to end it. I'm glad im a coward, life has gotten so much better. If someone truly has had a terrible existence and there is REALLY no hope then I dont care, but I would rather have someone that does have hope stay and pull through terrible times because life does get better. You just dont see the hope during those times due to the pain.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32467445] If a person can't handle being "sad" for a few days, and kills themselves, that's pretty stupid.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt that ever actually happens. People on facepunch always says it does to marginalize depression but I'd like to see someone actually cite a case where it happened. Calling you out, FP [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32459690] It seems FP is full of "liberals"(i fucking hate using this term) who are fine and dandy with invasion of other peoples choices when that's the exact opposite of what it's meant to be about.[/QUOTE] Facepunch of 2008 was annoyingly nihilist, the attitude back then would have been "yeah if someone wants to die let them, less people around, we're overpopulated anyway blah blah" can't believe I miss those days
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;32458511]Uh... Why? It's their choice, not anyone elses.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pepin;32458911]Do other people have a right to my body?[/QUOTE] The person who takes his/her own life is usually not the only one affected by it.
[QUOTE=Franke_R!?;32469628]The person who takes his/her own life is usually not the only one affected by it.[/QUOTE] Also applicable to getting drunk or smoking
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32469809]Also applicable to getting drunk or smoking[/QUOTE] Friends and family don't mourn all their lives because one got drunk. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] Who would take their live, and why? Can you come up with any normal reasons?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32471194]Who would take their live, and why? Can you come up with any normal reasons?[/QUOTE] If they don't want to live anymore.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;32472392]If they don't want to live anymore.[/QUOTE] Obviously, but should that be considered a normal statement?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32459690]Yes, it's a situation in which people need help. But, IT IS THEIR CHOICE. You can shout and whine all you fucking want, but it's their choice and that should never be anything BUT their choice. So what if it encourages it, people who want to will and people who don't won't, but you'll say you know well enough whether they should live? You've never been depressed and you've never struggled with suicide. Personally, I'm glad I failed suicide each time I attempted it, but at the time, there was no fix and nothing got better. Things still haven't really gotten better, but I'm still here. Taking away that choice from people who want it is just demoralizing and stupid. You'll treat them like children doing that. People who are depressed enough to be in that mind set have their own choices to make. You don't get to make that choice for them. It seems FP is full of "liberals"(i fucking hate using this term) who are fine and dandy with invasion of other peoples choices when that's the exact opposite of what it's meant to be about.[/QUOTE] so basically, "Just let them kill themselves"? Doesn't that sound insanely irresponsible and childishly stupid in itself? What are you going to do when you see a guy on a building asking for your help? Say "Oh, your choice" and walk off? You don't just "Let people kill themselves" just because their depressed, it IS a state of mental instability, just saying "Its their choice" DOES encourage them to kill themselves and it hurts EVERYONE around them. Obviously when you tried killing yourself you didn't even realize that it'll harm everyone around you. If you loved someone, and they were being picked on and wanted to kill themselves, you don't just "let them do it". It seems FP is full of people who are white knights towards other peoples choices and preach "100%, absolute tolerance", to an intolerably idiotic level. Letting someone understand that suicide is just a permanent fix to a very possibly temporary solution and edging them out of a state of mental instability and rehabilitating the issue is probably the best way to go. You guys preach about how the death penalty should be banned because murderers can be rehabilitated, and then you turn around and say "but just let people commit suicide" as if they're unfixable and broke and if they kill themselves then well, OH WELL, IT WAS THEIR CHOICE. There are some good reasons to kill yourself, then there are smaller reasons that are very easily fixable and you can grow out of. Some reasons are scarring for you and terrible, but if people actually support you, then you should be able to cope with it rather than scarring them for life. Simply saying "Its your choice", like I said, doesn't help anyone. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] I bet the members of FP that said "Its their choice" would shit themselves and try and take a dive if someone they loved was about to jump off a building. you guys are such hypocrites. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32467445]My friend was raped. 3 times, same night. She killed herself a year later. That moment NEVER passed for her. That's horseshit and insults the memories of my dead friend.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32467591]I joke about suicide because I can't take it seriously with 3 dead friends all because of suicide and multiple attempts under my own belt.[/QUOTE] Considering joking about suicide would insult the memories of your dead friend, why? You make it sound as if your just using that for argument-ammo. People who go through it and get over it know that its a useless option and don't just say "Its their choice". saying "Its your choice" is practically opposing the person from having a choice at all, like they're worthless and alone in the world, and if they saw any pressure AGAINST it, they would normally decide against it. They're in such a state that they feel that its the only way. If you actually tried killing yourself, you'd know that. But no, your a white knight that preaches "its their choice" and says "You've never been depressed and you've never struggled with suicide." when you don't even fucking know me. Don't tell people that they haven't been through something as if you have some hidden knowledge, it makes it look like your just using that to look like you actually went through something. and honestly, "Multiple failures", obviously, you had to have realized something afterwards, or have been STOPPED. you would've been in the state of hopelessness and loneliness to have even decided that in the first place. Telling someone thats about to kill themselves helps them understand that they aren't alone in the world. I've actually talked two people out of suicide by now, one of them I've even talked out of murder. They wanted to kill themselves because of one person making their life bad, and one wanted to kill that person. They felt alone, hopeless, and depressed all around, like it was the only way. By going "its your choice" they'd have killed themselves, it would be irresponsible, and irrationally stupid to tell them that. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32463816]We occur in nature, our thoughts occur in us, suicide is a thought, suicide is natural. Absolutely nothing is unnatural and it's time to stop using that as an argument for anything. And "it's their choice" isn't half as stupid as "it's somebody else's choice".[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.stopasuicide.org/suicide.aspx[/url] [url]http://www.nmha.org/go/suicide[/url] [url]http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_suicide.php[/url] "Studies have shown that [B]over 90% of people who die from suicide have one or more psychiatric disorders at the time of their death[/B]. Luckily, there are ways to treat and control these disorders and potentially prevent suicide." And your telling them "Its their choice". They don't even realize what they are actually DOING. A psychotic disorder is where you can't see consequence, or reason at all. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32463901]Cliche posted, adds nothing.[/QUOTE] except its a perfectly valid point. Its a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's like scrapping a computer completely when theres still good parts, just because one part died, instead of actually fixing it. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;32464284]Tell that to someone who has chronic pain or is schizophrenic or was molested by their uncle for years as a kid or any other number of horrible things that can happen to a person. Choosing to live by that isn't necessarily something people can just do overnight.[/QUOTE] I know people that have been through war and a lot worse you know. He had his identity stolen more than once, he can't even leave the country because of that, he lives with crippled legs in a wheel chair with asshole room mates, but does he kill himself? No, thats stupid. Obviously its not an overnight thing to fix, but just killing yourself [B]doesn't fix it at all[/B], not only that, but it scars everyone around that suicide.
[QUOTE=Franke_R!?;32469628]The person who takes his/her own life is usually not the only one affected by it.[/QUOTE] Other people being affected by a decision does not at all imply they have a right to interfere by force in that decision. If you accept this logic, then any intervention by force when someone is affected by a decision is acceptable, no matter the circumstance. It is not as though that there is something particularly binding within the logic that it constricts it to suicide, and just saying there is doesn't do anything. Again, to bring it back to my two main arguments. A person owns their body. Using force against them to stop them form committing suicide would be immoral. The use of force is only acceptable when force is used against you. The only other condition that this argument could work out if you were to claim that a person did not fully own their body and therefore did not have full right to commit to such actions.
[QUOTE=Pepin;32473505]Other people being affected by a decision does not at all imply they have a right to interfere by force in that decision. If you accept this logic, then any intervention by force when someone is affected by a decision is acceptable, no matter the circumstance. It is not as though that there is something particularly binding within the logic that it constricts it to suicide, and just saying there is doesn't do anything. Again, to bring it back to my two main arguments. A person owns their body. Using force against them to stop them form committing suicide would be immoral. The use of force is only acceptable when force is used against you. The only other condition that this argument could work out if you were to claim that a person did not fully own their body and therefore did not have full right to commit to such actions.[/QUOTE] Except the part where they're in a state where they see it as the only way out and are mentally unstable. Saying "Your choice" is like saying "I don't care" in that insane state of mind, making them think they're completely alone in the world. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [quote]he only other condition that this argument could work out if you were to claim that a person did not fully own their body and therefore did not have full right to commit to such actions.[/quote] Except you'd be telling them "I don't care, your choice"
[QUOTE=J!NX;32473527]Except the part where they're in a state where they see it as the only way out and are mentally unstable. Saying "Your choice" is like saying "I don't care" in that insane state of mind, making them think they're completely alone in the world. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] Except you'd be telling them "I don't care, your choice"[/QUOTE]He said intervention by force, offering help and advice to someone who is suicidal is a no-brainer, but actually preventing them if they are dead set on it would be immoral. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] That pun was an accident.
[QUOTE=Nerts;32473588]He said intervention by force, offering help and advice to someone who is suicidal is a no-brainer, but actually preventing them if they are dead set on it would be immoral. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] That pun was an accident.[/QUOTE] sorry debates get me pumped up :v: and force, sometimes I feel its needed. Failing to ease someone out of suicide with reason and advice is insanely scaring.
I see it as perfectly reasonable if a friend or familymember keeps you away from suicide by force. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] Why would someone have a right to kill themselves? It's like, the right to end all rights and obligations - it doesn't make much sense in my opinion.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32473710]I see it as perfectly reasonable if a friend or familymember keeps you away from suicide by force.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't you after all? No way I'm letting a family member commit suicide, I /WILL/ stop them if I must, and I /WILL/ help them the rest of the way. Just letting a family member do it seems irresponsible.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32473710]I see it as perfectly reasonable if a friend or familymember keeps you away from suicide by force. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] Why would someone have a right to kill themselves? It's like, the right to end all rights and obligations - it doesn't make much sense in my opinion.[/QUOTE]I should have a right to kill myself for the same reason I should have the right to turn down medical treatment or get cosmetic surgery, I own my body, no one else has a claim on any part of it.
[QUOTE=Nerts;32473772]I should have a right to kill myself for the same reason I should have the right to turn down medical treatment or get cosmetic surgery, I own my body, no one else has a claim on any part of it.[/QUOTE] another example of FP White knights going "its their body" [quote] [url]http://www.stopasuicide.org/suicide.aspx[/url] [url]http://www.nmha.org/go/suicide[/url] [url]http://depts.washington.edu/mhreport/facts_suicide.php[/url] "Studies have shown that [B]over 90% of people who die from suicide have one or more psychiatric disorders at the time of their death[/B]. Luckily, there are ways to treat and control these disorders and potentially prevent suicide." And your telling them "Its their choice". They don't even realize what they are actually DOING. A psychotic disorder is where you can't see consequence, or reason at all.[/quote] [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] they could either kill themselves "because its their body" or you could actually stop them and help them if tons of help doesn't work, then I suppose it could be the only way, if they're truly in inescapable pain, and theres no help, no matter what force and pressure you apply, then maybe.
[QUOTE=Nerts;32473772]I should have a right to kill myself for the same reason I should have the right to turn down medical treatment or get cosmetic surgery, I own my body, no one else has a claim on any part of it.[/QUOTE] The only time you would make a decision to kill yourself is if you were suffering from a mental disorder or unstability. Second of all, turning down medical treatment is different because when you kill yourself you violate all obligations you have as a human being aswell as all rights in a way aswell, you don't really do that when turning down medical treatment.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32463882]Grief and depression are totally different. The DSM-IV makes the distinction by saying grief lasts up to 2 months, anything longer is major depression. The symptoms are opposite in many ways, as well. [url]http://depression.about.com/od/grief/a/griefdepression.htm[/url] So your comparison is fundamentally flawed.[/QUOTE] Those phrases I used were quoted as I was making a point (I don't actually think it lasts for a few days or weeks). Do you think that family and friends won't suffer grief or depression either?
[QUOTE=Caesar;32473960]Those phrases I used were quoted as I was making a point (I don't actually think it lasts for a few days or weeks). Do you think that family and friends won't suffer grief or depression either?[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone that says "Its their choice" has actually had any suicide in their lives. literally anyone I meet that has doesn't say that, ever, and when they do, they never experienced it, ever.
I'd like to point out a few things about depression. Again it might not apply to all people, but at least in my case I came to a point where everything was so terrible I wanted it all to end, and I didn't want to see myself coming out of this, but rather I wanted to just kill myself, mainly because absolutely everything I did during that time felt absolutely like hell. Wherever I'd go everything looked bad, everything I'd eat tastes really bad, everything activity I used to enjoy felt wrong, and it's not like things physically tasted or smelled or felt bad, but it was the major feeling I had over absolutely everything. For me it was over a certain loss, so I didn't even want life to continue, I didn't want to see myself getting over that loss because that felt horribly wrong to get over something so great that ends abruptly and in an unfair way. So I found myself just sitting in my room sometimes and wishing I'd just die on the spot. That obviously didn't happen, so I found my way one day to a tall bridge, I was really and honestly prepared to end this all, more so because I was drunk so that numbed any fear I might have had, but in the end I was prevented from committing suicide. Hopefully this will clear up some reoccurring questions here in the fashion of "I don't understand why would people do that" [del]I don't think it actively adds to an argument in this debate, so apologies for that.[/del] So to add my opinion here, I don't think it should be illegal to attempt suicide, because say, you failed and then you'd be sentenced for feeling hell. That isn't fair. I completely agree with the laws here (And as far as I know in most other countries) that state that it is illegal to convince someone else to commit suicide. (i.e "do it faggot") However the obligation to report to the authorities about a suicidal person can seriously backfire, because in that case the person at hand won't share his wish with anyone to begin with
[QUOTE=J!NX;32472828]so basically, "Just let them kill themselves"? Doesn't that sound insanely irresponsible and childishly stupid in itself? What are you going to do when you see a guy on a building asking for your help? Say "Oh, your choice" and walk off? You don't just "Let people kill themselves" just because their depressed, it IS a state of mental instability, just saying "Its their choice" DOES encourage them to kill themselves and it hurts EVERYONE around them. Obviously when you tried killing yourself you didn't even realize that it'll harm everyone around you. [/QUOTE] Because having the opinion that it is their choice at a legal level and helping them at a personal level is impossible? right? Fuck sakes. [QUOTE=J!NX;32472828] If you loved someone, and they were being picked on and wanted to kill themselves, you don't just "let them do it". It seems FP is full of people who are white knights towards other peoples choices and preach "100%, absolute tolerance", to an intolerably idiotic level. Letting someone understand that suicide is just a permanent fix to a very possibly temporary solution and edging them out of a state of mental instability and rehabilitating the issue is probably the best way to go. You guys preach about how the death penalty should be banned because murderers can be rehabilitated, and then you turn around and say "but just let people commit suicide" as if they're unfixable and broke and if they kill themselves then well, OH WELL, IT WAS THEIR CHOICE. There are some good reasons to kill yourself, then there are smaller reasons that are very easily fixable and you can grow out of. Some reasons are scarring for you and terrible, but if people actually support you, then you should be able to cope with it rather than scarring them for life. Simply saying "Its your choice", like I said, doesn't help anyone. [/QUOTE] Who said I would let them do it? Seriously, this is asinine, arguing that it is their RIGHT to do it, and saying it's full out their choice is not saying "go fucking die" or "i'm not helping you". I'll probably have to repeat this a bunch because your entire argument relies on me saying that and not wanting to help them at a personal level. [QUOTE=J!NX;32472828] I bet the members of FP that said "Its their choice" would shit themselves and try and take a dive if someone they loved was about to jump off a building. you guys are such hypocrites. [/QUOTE] You're funny. Or not, I don't know where you think you're going with this horseshit. [QUOTE=J!NX;32472828] Considering joking about suicide would insult the memories of your dead friend, why? You make it sound as if your just using that for argument-ammo.[/QUOTE] Oh, that's right. We all have to view things the way YOU view them or else it's wrong, wrong, wrong. Honestly, I don't care and it's not insulting to her memory. It might be if she was a different person than she was, but nope. Seriously, the world isn't the same all over the place and we all don't see it the same way as you, that doesn't by default make you right. [QUOTE=J!NX;32472828] People who go through it and get over it know that its a useless option and don't just say "Its their choice". saying "Its your choice" is practically opposing the person from having a choice at all, like they're worthless and alone in the world, and if they saw any pressure AGAINST it, they would normally decide against it. They're in such a state that they feel that its the only way. If you actually tried killing yourself, you'd know that. But no, your a white knight that preaches "its their choice" and says "You've never been depressed and you've never struggled with suicide." when you don't even fucking know me. Don't tell people that they haven't been through something as if you have some hidden knowledge, it makes it look like your just using that to look like you actually went through something. and honestly, "Multiple failures", obviously, you had to have realized something afterwards, or have been STOPPED. you would've been in the state of hopelessness and loneliness to have even decided that in the first place. Telling someone thats about to kill themselves helps them understand that they aren't alone in the world. I've actually talked two people out of suicide by now, one of them I've even talked out of murder. They wanted to kill themselves because of one person making their life bad, and one wanted to kill that person. They felt alone, hopeless, and depressed all around, like it was the only way. By going "its your choice" they'd have killed themselves, it would be irresponsible, and irrationally stupid to tell them that. [/QUOTE] You're still acting like legally saying "it's YOUR choice, it's YOUR body, it's YOUR decision" is not saying "oh, go die because I'm not going to help you.". Oh, I repeated it again because that's the entire argument you have. I've never once said they shouldn't get help or that people shouldn't be trying to help them, but I am saying, IT'S LEGALLY THEIR FUCKING CHOICE. Yes, I was stopped by realizing what was going on in my life at the time, my story is complicated and there is no one reason as to why I stopped and moved on. And yes, I did realize how it would affect people around me but I didn't care. I've had to talk to many of my suicidal friends, I've talked them down from it, same as you, and I did tell them "hey, it's your choice, but no one wants this for you but you it seems". [b]Once again, arguing the legality of suicide is not arguing the practicality of talking someone out of it for fucks sakes[/b] [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;32473793]another example of FP White knights going "its their body" [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] they could either kill themselves "because its their body" or you could actually stop them and help them if tons of help doesn't work, then I suppose it could be the only way, if they're truly in inescapable pain, and theres no help, no matter what force and pressure you apply, then maybe.[/QUOTE] So who owns our body then? Our friends? our family? That is an important issue about this fucking argument and you just sweep it under the rug of emotion and say "whatever, who cares about who "owns" your body". That's not what some of us are talking about. You can have the opinion of it being a persons choice and STILL try and talk them out of it as a caring person and friend. I'm never going to legally think it's anyone elses choice(but you clearly do) but I'm never going to just let someone die if I can help them. I doubt most of FP would either. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;32473984]I don't think anyone that says "Its their choice" has actually had any suicide in their lives. literally anyone I meet that has doesn't say that, ever, and when they do, they never experienced it, ever.[/QUOTE] Bull.Shit.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32474130]Because having the opinion that it is their choice at a legal level and helping them at a personal level is impossible? right? Fuck sakes. Who said I would let them do it? Seriously, this is asinine, arguing that it is their RIGHT to do it, and saying it's full out their choice is not saying "go fucking die" or "i'm not helping you". I'll probably have to repeat this a bunch because your entire argument relies on me saying that and not wanting to help them at a personal level. You're funny. Or not, I don't know where you think you're going with this horseshit. Oh, that's right. We all have to view things the way YOU view them or else it's wrong, wrong, wrong. Honestly, I don't care and it's not insulting to her memory. It might be if she was a different person than she was, but nope. Seriously, the world isn't the same all over the place and we all don't see it the same way as you, that doesn't by default make you right. You're still acting like legally saying "it's YOUR choice, it's YOUR body, it's YOUR decision" is not saying "oh, go die because I'm not going to help you.". Oh, I repeated it again because that's the entire argument you have. I've never once said they shouldn't get help or that people shouldn't be trying to help them, but I am saying, IT'S LEGALLY THEIR FUCKING CHOICE. Yes, I was stopped by realizing what was going on in my life at the time, my story is complicated and there is no one reason as to why I stopped and moved on. And yes, I did realize how it would affect people around me but I didn't care. I've had to talk to many of my suicidal friends, I've talked them down from it, same as you, and I did tell them "hey, it's your choice, but no one wants this for you but you it seems". [b]Once again, arguing the legality of suicide is not arguing the practicality of talking someone out of it for fucks sakes[/b][/QUOTE] fair enough people are (seemingly)arguing as if they're so into "Its their choice" that they would just let people decide what to do, which to me sounds entirely an extreme opinion I've heard people that bully others say "its their choice" before but thats it. Many people around me are [B]very[/B] heavy against joking about suicide/murder/etc after all just a topic I never talk about personally
[QUOTE=J!NX;32474218]fair enough people are (seemingly)arguing as if they're so into "Its their choice" that they would just let people decide what to do, which to me sounds entirely an extreme opinion I've heard people that bully others say "its their choice" before but thats it. Many people around me are [B]very[/B] heavy against joking about suicide/murder/etc after all[/QUOTE] Fair enough, I've never meant it in anyway besides the legality of the issue. I think to just let suicidially depressed people go and do what they want, especially when they're a friend is probably very irresponsible, but at a legal level, I seriously can't hold another opinion of it. I joke because my own experience with the subject has left me jaded, and rather than hate people for what's happened and what could have happened, I laugh and I joke.
[QUOTE=J!NX;32474218]fair enough people are (seemingly)arguing as if they're so into "Its their choice" that they would just let people decide what to do, which to me sounds entirely an extreme opinion I've heard people that bully others say "its their choice" before but thats it. Many people around me are [B]very[/B] heavy against joking about suicide/murder/etc after all just a topic I never talk about personally[/QUOTE] I'd also like to add that I'm against illegalizing suicide, but I'd never ever tell a person "Yeah well, your call buddy", I'd do my best to help him out. Are we actually debating the legality of suicide itself, or also of what other people do when they know of someone who wants to end his life?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32474326]Fair enough, I've never meant it in anyway besides the legality of the issue. I think to just let suicidially depressed people go and do what they want, especially when they're a friend is probably very irresponsible, but at a legal level, I seriously can't hold another opinion of it. I joke because my own experience with the subject has left me jaded, and rather than hate people for what's happened and what could have happened, I laugh and I joke.[/QUOTE] With me, you talk people out of it, thats the end of it. You don't talk about morals or what is right, whether or not it should be legal or not, just that the person is alive and you can't let them kill themselves. basically, something I just stay away from. But personally, I think it should be legal, but people should be put into therapy that is paid for my taxes, or something like that as a requirement, get a lot of help from others that have experienced it.
The thing about legality as far as I understand it is that you don't get punished for trying to commit suicide, but you are forced to recieve help, which in my opinion is reasonable. [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] In most developed states it's not illegal to take your life anymore though.
[QUOTE=STeel;32474340]I'd also like to add that I'm against illegalizing suicide, but I'd never ever tell a person "Yeah well, your call buddy", I'd do my best to help him out. Are we actually debating the legality of suicide itself, or also of what other people do when they know of someone who wants to end his life?[/QUOTE] I've always been under the impression we were arguing the legality of the issue.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;32474431]The thing about legality as far as I understand it is that you don't get punished for trying to commit suicide, but you are forced to recieve help, which in my opinion is reasonable.[/QUOTE] I personally would want to have help forced upon me and have people force me not to kill myself if I ever tried to (Though I'm so opposed to that idea that I doubt I ever will) Forcing someone in my opinion is telling them that you care in some way. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;32474459]I've always been under the impression we were arguing the legality of the issue.[/QUOTE] Its facepunch talk about the legality of weed and then everyone debates religion
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