• Gays v2 - really, there's nothing wrong with them
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I don't think it's impossible for you to learn to appreciate another man (/woman) sexually.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34708505]I don't think it's impossible for you to learn to appreciate another man (/woman) sexually.[/QUOTE] I think I understand. We're using the word choice in different ways and perhaps I'm just using it incorrectly if we're getting technical. A lot of things are a choice in that sense. I think I could choose to get sexually attracted to ankles, feet, or cocks. I would need to have some sexual experiences with them first though right? And it would probably take more than one or two goes to get a deep rooted sexual feeling for something. But eventually maybe I would get some kind of a fetish for this. But I would be incredibly hesitant of doing so, even in a society dominated by homosexuals because it is not immediately pleasing for me. In fact it wouldn't be pleasing for me at all. So I would continue to be a heterosexual. I didn't inherently choose to be strictly heterosexual but I'm choosing to continue to be one every day. In the most technical use of the word "choice" I choose nearly everything. But I didn't actively choose to be a heterosexual at first, I chose not to change my natural urges. So you would agree that I have no choice in my original sexuality? But your argument is that I could potentially have a choice to change it if I really wanted to?
I'm gay. I didn't choose to be gay, it just happened. I could try and fancy women, but that would be difficult, much like a straight man trying to fancy men. Doesn't happen I'm afraid.
It obviously isn't applicable to everyone, but it does happen. Trust me. It's not like it makes any difference anyway. [I]Why [/I]some people are gay is completely irrelevant imo.
[QUOTE=Fkpuz Version 1;34708373]I'm a male who is attracted to women. I had literally no choice in this. Not long after turning 11 I was all over dem' ass and titties. I imagine it is the same for many gay people right? If so, is it still a choice?[/QUOTE] Am I the only one who didn't suddenly become attracted to a certain sex?
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34709547]It obviously isn't applicable to everyone, but it does happen. Trust me. It's not like it makes any difference anyway. [I]Why [/I]some people are gay is completely irrelevant imo.[/QUOTE] You just can't just say "trust me" in a debate. Provide evidence to support your claims.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;34708149]This just in. Gays suck. It's a known fact.[/QUOTE] You just want to cause a shit storm every where you go, don't you?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;34712982]You just can't just say "trust me" in a debate. Provide evidence to support your claims.[/QUOTE] I take it you don't agree with me? It's not like you have evidence for the contrary - which is a far more radical view.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34714174]I take it you don't agree with me? It's not like you have evidence for the contrary - which is a far more radical view.[/QUOTE] You made the claim, it's on you to provide evidence.
Just to clear things up a little... Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age. Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).
And what would such evidence even look like? What are you expecting? I feel like I've explained my reasoning thoroughly already.
[QUOTE=Rents;34714913]You made the claim, it's on you to provide evidence.[/QUOTE] This. There's this: [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/jun/16/neuroscience.psychology[/url] Basically it says that homosexual men/heterosexual women have similarly shaped brains, and homosexual females/heterosexual men have similar brains to each other. It's not definitive evidence, but it is good evidence to show support to the theory that you are born gay or straight. And if you want further evidence, I'm gay and I did not choose to be this way. Your turn, skippy.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34715020]Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age. Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).[/QUOTE] Nobody knows this - certainly not you. Why can't there be a specific gene that determines sexuality, when there are genes for practically everything else concerning your body?
[QUOTE=deaded38;34715020]Just to clear things up a little... Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age. Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).[/QUOTE] No. You don't adopt being sexually attracted to a certain gender. That's bullshit. If that were true, then any child that was adopted by a same sex couple would be gay themselves and they are not.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34715087]Nobody knows this - certainly not you. Why can't there be a specific gene that determines sexuality, when there are genes for practically everything else concerning your body?[/QUOTE] Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;34715061]This.[/QUOTE] Man you have completely misunderstood me. I do not disagree with any of this, nor do I see how it would be evidence against my claim. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=deaded38;34715120]You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture).[/QUOTE] This doesn't make a lick of sense.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;34715171] This doesn't make a lick of sense.[/QUOTE] He's going for the nature vs. nurture argument.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34715120]Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] Uh no. Everything about you, as a person, is influenced both from nature and nurture. And while the top about nature vs. nurture is controversial, there's evidence that nature tends be to a little more dominant over a person. No one can force you to like the same sex. You aren't born believing a certain religion. That has to be taught and influenced to you by others. That's nurture. You are born with your sexuality set. Even if you are taught to hate homosexuals and shit, the person may end up later realizing he's homosexual. Of course he's going to preach against it because of nurture and date women, but he'll be unhappy. [editline]15th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr._N;34715219]He's going for the nature vs. nurture argument.[/QUOTE] Yeah but he seems to think only nurture exists.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34715120]Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). Prove me wrong.[/QUOTE] Then why are there still gays in countries like South Africa, where the culture is incredibly anti-gay?
[QUOTE=deaded38;34715120]Actually, people do know this. You learn everything from your culture (and yes, believe it or not, your sexuality is a part of your culture). [B]Prove me wrong.[/B][/QUOTE] No, that's not how it works. [QUOTE=Rents;34714913]You made the claim, it's on you to provide evidence.[/QUOTE] I end up telling people this in every thread in this section that I follow.
*golfclap*
[QUOTE=umm wtf;34716296]Then why are there still gays in countries like South Africa, where the culture is incredibly anti-gay?[/QUOTE] Because thinking about that makes his little brain hurt
[QUOTE=Stradbong;34716597]Because thinking about that makes his little brain hurt[/QUOTE] Haha. You should be on Comedy Central!
[QUOTE=deaded38;34716876]Haha. You should be on Comedy Central![/QUOTE] So... does that mean you are going to think about it... or just be sarcastic to hide the fact that you don't actually have an argument?
[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;34704128]It's a rhetorical question. I doubt you chose your sexuality, just like how I didn't choose to be homosexual. That was the point I was trying to make. Seriously, who in their right mind would freely choose to be treated as lesser beings and not be given rights?[/QUOTE] You're getting a little over defensive here, it may not be a choice but you don't have to be so self detrimental about it, and it may just be my location, but I am never treated as a lesser being, and as for the rights, marriage never interested me.
I think people hate gays because they can't relate. As a man it's hard to believe another man can't be sexually interested in women, but at the same time I don't know [I]why[/I] I'm sexually interested in women, I have no control over it. The same goes for them. Gays are attracted to the same sex because its how they are. As long as I don't have some gay guy trying to hit on me, I don't care who is gay and who isn't. And gays are usually careful about who they hit on so again it doesn't matter if someone is gay.
[QUOTE=thisBrad;34717568]As long as I don't have some gay guy trying to hit on me..[/QUOTE] Don't worry about it.. -.-
Why does it matter if it's a choice or not? I mean jeez. Let people be gay.
[QUOTE=Jookia;34717656]Why does it matter if it's a choice or not? I mean jeez. Let people be gay.[/QUOTE] Yes exactly! What difference does it make? This whole discussion belongs in a science/biology thread.
[QUOTE=deaded38;34715020]Just to clear things up a little... Gays are not "born" being gay. They adopt the belief somewhere during their life, usually at a very young age. Lets face it, there is no gay gene (although, it would be kind of funny if there was).[/QUOTE] That's like saying that dogs aren't born dogs, they are born as cats and as they grow up they become dogs. That is how stupid your argument is.
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