• Extraterrestrials - Here/Real or not?
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[QUOTE=sYnced;32799895]idk maybe the physical structure itself.[/QUOTE] The physical structure of what? The ufo? you have a piece?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32800063]The physical structure of what? The ufo? you have a piece?[/QUOTE] i was obviously talking about Area 51
[QUOTE=sYnced;32800405]i was obviously talking about Area 51[/QUOTE] Yea area 51 is a real place. Now what does that have to do with aliens?
Either were alone or we aren't. Both are horrifying.
[QUOTE=Craigewan;32799571]Very strong probability that life exists elsewhere in the universe[/QUOTE] You all need to stop talking about ET-life as a statistical probability. Nobody knows how common or uncommon life is in the universe, since we haven't found anything, or even looked for it very hard. Drake's Equation should not be used as proof for aliens since it currently has at least one unknown variable. So even though I personally believe there's life out there, we shouldn't be so quick to disclose the possibility of us actually being alone.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32802812]You all need to stop talking about ET-life as a statistical probability. Nobody knows how common or uncommon life is in the universe, since we haven't found anything, or even looked for it very hard. Drake's Equation should not be used as proof for aliens since it currently has at least one unknown variable. So even though I personally believe there's life out there, we shouldn't be so quick to disclose the possibility of us actually being alone.[/QUOTE] Are you incapable of using statistics?
[QUOTE=BestBuyInBRICK;32802882]Are you incapable of using statistics?[/QUOTE] What are the statistics then?
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32802812]So even though I personally believe there's life out there, we shouldn't be so quick to disclose the possibility of us actually being alone.[/QUOTE] Yea but we know that if we see something occur in the universe its going to occur many other times in nature unless there is something special about it and so far we have seen nothing special about life. Not saying its 100% that there is life everywhere but its pretty logical to assume there is.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32802945]Yea but we know that if we see something occur in the universe its going to occur many other times in nature unless there is something special about it and so far we have seen nothing special about life.[/QUOTE] Nothing special about life? What does that even mean, and how can you draw that conclusion?
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32802965]Nothing special about life? What does that even mean, and how can you draw that conclusion?[/QUOTE] By nothing special I mean nothing showing that it can't be recreated through natural processes.
So basically what you're saying is... That since life can develop naturally, it's commonplace?
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32803128]So basically what you're saying is... That since life can develop naturally, it's commonplace?[/QUOTE] Since life can and has happened it will happen. Thats how are universe works. Once we found a black whole it was pretty much certain that there are others out there.
Sure, but that doesn't tell us anything about the actual probability.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32803349]Sure, but that doesn't tell us anything about the actual probability.[/QUOTE] Well we wont know if its one every 100 stars or one every billion but when you are using statistics with such a huge number the probability of there only being one occurrence is way less likely then there being zero or more then one times it occurs and we know it can't be zero.
What if the probability for life developing is one in a trilliontrilliontrillion in a universe where "only" one trilliontrillion planets exist? Then the odds of there being one more planet with life, besides ours, is smaller than the odds of us being alone.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32803757]What if the probability for life developing is one in a trilliontrilliontrillion in a universe where "only" one trilliontrillion planets exist?[/QUOTE] The chances of it being that way are extremely slim. Thats why there is [b]most[/b] likely more then one planet with life on it. Most likely it will either add up to there being none or many.
Intelligent life somewhere ? absolutely, and many. But here ? not a chance, not now and at least not in a shitload of time, i really doubt an advanced enough civilization would use all that energy and effort to come here just to secretly watch us jerk off.
I think it's exceedingly likely intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe given the scale of it and exceedingly likely it's visited us given the scale of it.
[QUOTE=Takkun10;32787967]Anything is possible. The cosmos is so vast that it could have happened. We could just as easily be a race of aliens from a distant planet that came here millions of years ago only to lose sight of our origin. Sooooo... [img]http://tribalinsight.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/i-want-to-believe.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] [img]http://firsthour.net/screenshots/homeworld/homeworld-cover.jpg[/img] ?
[QUOTE=Ploo;32799864]........ye man its impsibel becoooooooooooz if der wass aliens dey wudda already visited us n ting, u get me like they r waaay smrter than us cause humans generally arent, init rite so if they r smart then they wudda visit us and say hi or sumin but they aint!!! unless dey visit us n sekretly live on human planet.... fuuuck now i am confuzzzz[/QUOTE] Are you high?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32804748]The chances of it being that way are extremely slim. Thats why there is [b]most[/b] likely more then one planet with life on it. Most likely it will either add up to there being none or many.[/QUOTE] what's say it must be carbon based life proof is its own destruction through cunsumption of a base by the same base and reused in other form only thing we know is that we are carbon based and that we need oxygen and carboneus planets that also inhabit hydrogen for carbon based life forms h²0 and co² plants base circle animallife form eat plants/animals based on same base transform it in excrement that is used as grower for plants which transform carbon into glucose,and other carbon combination we use to feed ourself and others the only thing sure its you need every life form as it is not a pyrimad but more infinite circle of material user that transform it intto something else then reused by other of same base and so on we tend to say we are carboneus life form but still we use three elements at all times hydrogen, oxygen and carbon whith an infinity of variations through sometimes pure othertimes combined in molecules like h²0,0², but there are life forms on earth that also use sulfur, which limit their habitat to volcanoes so how more elements u se to life how less is the change to find same base sites and posible life form whith it au contrary how less elements use to make lifeform how grater the change to find that site and life form but we also use sulfur in less quantity then the life form of volcanoes as we desagrate through means of stomach acids or food which could contain sulfur to lesser quantity to be nominated if you want actaul change to find it u need 1st to calculate on atmocical level what are posible combination of neutron ,proton and forgot name negatron each in different quantity make 1 element then multiple by elements used to make life form of those base say we Su, Hy, Ox, Ca. question is what if we refine the search of it to their actual quantity on earth that made ours(plans/animals((awe in animals))) to better say mass element/mass earth= element quantity for the 4 elements we a re composed off [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ploo;32799864]........ye man its impsibel becoooooooooooz if der wass aliens dey wudda already visited us n ting, u get me like they r waaay smrter than us cause humans generally arent, init rite so if they r smart then they wudda visit us and say hi or sumin but they aint!!! unless dey visit us n sekretly live on human planet.... fuuuck now i am confuzzzz[/QUOTE] maybe they are also stupid like us killed them self long ago cause of greed maybe there at same stage and those ufo more probe likesmaybe something else but life proof life
What do you guys think of the 'Dome of the Rock UFO' ?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32804748]The chances of it being that way are extremely slim.[/QUOTE] How do you draw that conclusion? What numbers are you using to calculate that chance? Look I just think that with our current knowledge we cannot draw any real conclusions. We can't tell the odds or anything. We can't even estimate them. We can only guess. We can [I]believe[/I] in one way or another, but there aren't any real facts to support those beliefs yet. That's not scientific at all. Really, the [B]only[/B] thing we know for sure is that the possibility of life emerging on a planet is greater than 0 %.
There's millions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars, and most of those have orbiting planets and objects of their own. Whilst they don't necessarily have to be sentient or capable of space travel, I believe that extraterrestrial life is very possible.
[QUOTE=Rad McCool;32809897]How do you draw that conclusion?[/QUOTE] Think about it. The chances of something statistically adding to one occurrence when we have numbers like this are way less likely then it being more then one. Its like having a hundred planets and having the statistics for it being one every hundred. Theres already a 1/100 chance the numbers would be that way but now we are saying the chance is exactly 1 in 200000000000000000000 and we happen to have exactly 200000000000000000000. Statistically its more likely for it to not add up so nicely then it is for it to. Even without knowing what the chances are we can safely say its probably not exactly to the point where it creates exactly one occurrence. This is why we can say there is probably life out there without really knowing the odds.
I'd say there is definitely alien life, and if so, almost certainly there is life as intelligent as us. Hell, I believe it is likely there could be many sapient beings in this very galaxy. But I don't believe they have visited us. They must have either not have found us yet, or are like us, still trapped on their planet.
Here? Unlikely, and not proven, so probably no. Real? Very likely, but still not proven. I'll go with yes, though.
This thread is stupid it's the same as the god thread except more likely Anyways, until we get the tech to travel far beyond our galaxy and actually communicate with someone else, we will never know until then, so all posts saying yes or no should be disregarded as invalid/belief.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;32814366]Theres already a 1/100 chance the numbers would be that way but now we are saying the chance is exactly 1 in 200000000000000000000 and we happen to have exactly 200000000000000000000. Statistically its more likely for it to not add up so nicely then it is for it to.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure I understand. Could you evaluate?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32804946]I think it's exceedingly likely intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe given the scale of it and exceedingly likely it's visited us given the scale of it.[/QUOTE] I agree with the first part but why do you think it likely that they would have visited us? I don't really have an opinion on the latter though I don't see it as all that likely.
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