• Imperial and Metric systems.
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[QUOTE=rosthouse;32455573]For you it is. If you said somebody in Europe that you are 6 foot tall, they'd have no idea how tall you really are.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=install gentoo;32455112]Imperial units, at least the ones that are commonly used, are more relevant to everyday experience. More things are roughly an inch, a foot, a cup, a pound than the corresponding metric units. It loses out fast though once you start calculating with it, so metric is the better choice for anything beyond basic use.[/QUOTE] 6 feet is simpler and more memorable than 1.9 meters or 190 centimeters. Numbers have properties aside from just counting things.
I'd go so far as to go whole SI and scrap imperial, maybe keeping Celsius because it's more relevant for day-to-day use than Kelvin. (which is nicer for science) The whole "I can imagine imperial/metric more easily" argument only exists because you've been brought up using one or the other. I honestly don't have a clue what people mean when they say that a baby weighs "5 pounds". (or however much a baby weighs) I can't actually visualise a "foot" or "stone" and have to try to figure out what people mean when they say that they're 5 foot-whatever. Also, I don't understand why calories and the like are used - joules is the international standard, so why do we suddenly swap to calories for food / drink? Also, I'd say 1.9 metres over 190 centimetres.
[QUOTE=Ond kaja;32455600]You don't say "1.9" meters, you say "190 centimeters".[/QUOTE] Now that's even more retarded in a conversation.
[QUOTE=install gentoo;32455603]6 feet is simpler and more memorable than 1.9 meters or 190 centimeters. Numbers have properties aside from just counting things.[/QUOTE] I don't think so. What if you aren't exactly 6 feet? Like 6 feet and 12 inches. How do you say that? The advantage with the metric system is that it's scalable. You only have to memorize one number, after that it's simple to convert it into another format. Let's say you're 175 centimeters tall. You can say that you are 1 meter and 75 centimeter (or I say "I'm one seventy-five"). Or you can say you're 1750 millimeters. It doesn't matter how you say it, everyone knows exactly what you mean. And if the value changes, like if you need more precision, you simply add more digits. You can't just do that in the imperial system.
Metric makes so much more sense. The imperial system is outdated and should just die out entirely. More of an opinion than an argument but still.
[QUOTE=Terminutter;32455656]I'd go so far as to go whole SI and scrap imperial, maybe keeping Celsius because it's more relevant for day-to-day use than Kelvin.[/QUOTE] As far as I'm concerned the Kelvin scale IS just Celsius. I don't distinguish between them in my mind because they're literally exactly the same, just one is shifted down by 273. The increments are the same, so I think of them as the same thing.
The only times I use imperial is with long distances, weighing myself and measuring servings of certain alcoholic beverages. [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] Oh and my height, but only because 5'11'' is easier to remember than 180cm.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;32455776]The only times I use imperial is with long distances, weighing myself and measuring servings of certain alcoholic beverages. [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] Oh and my height[/QUOTE]Road signs, pint glasses and dick size are the only things I encounter that are almost always imperial units, and that first one is only because I live in the UK. Imperial units for weight, temperature, very long or short distances, force, energy, ect. are a clusterfuck and something hard for me to visualise the quantity it's describing compared to SI units.
Metric>Imperial. I am used to imperial, but I use metric a lot because I take a lot of science courses and I like how everything is a multiple of 10. Liters are so much easier to remember than cup/pint/quart/gallon.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32455692]Now that's even more retarded in a conversation.[/QUOTE] Nice argument.
how much is a stone anyway? [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Chrille;32455920]Nice argument.[/QUOTE] Except it was super retarded.
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;32455948]how much is a stone anyway? [/QUOTE] 14 Pounds.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32455978]14 Pounds.[/QUOTE] In Kilos please?
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;32455996]In Kilos please?[/QUOTE] 2.2 Pounds in a Kilogram.
[QUOTE=Within;32454625]There's this [I]inexplicable[/I] measurement unit called "furlong per fortnight". It's a barely noticeable measurement of speed, 1 furlong per fortnight = 0.000166309524 m/s. Anyway. How do you Americans "deal with" science? This question, of course, is primarily aimed at people actually having experience with any mid-high level physics, mathematics and/or chemistry so that they have actually spent a significant time with their calculator. Surely you need to paraphrase any imperial unit to metric, or how does that work?[/QUOTE] Uh, we're all taught metric in school for "advanced" science courses like physics. Actually, all science courses I've taken have used metric. It's just that it's not used in the colloquial. I was raised with feet, miles and pounds, it's easier for me to quantify than kilograms and meters(though meters aren't really that hard, it's just about 3ft). Metric may not be used officially, but most people I know in my generation can easily tell the difference. My mom's, not so much.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32456021]2.2 Pounds in a Kilogram.[/QUOTE] Wow thats complicated. In turn i could just say like: 20 Kilogram and thats that.
[QUOTE=Nerts;32455850]Road signs, pint glasses and dick size are the only things I encounter that are almost always imperial units, and that first one is only because I live in the UK. Imperial units for weight, temperature, very long or short distances, force, energy, ect. are a clusterfuck and something hard for me to visualise the quantity it's describing compared to SI units.[/QUOTE] When I said long distances I only really mean miles. I guess it is just what I am used to. I do prefer metric for everything else.
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;32456045]Wow thats complicated. [/QUOTE] That's why nobody works with both Pounds and Kilos in the same light. Pounds and Stones work together well.
[QUOTE=Shoopiwoop;32455948]Except it was super retarded.[/QUOTE] That was the point.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32455166]Imperial is nice too. In a boxing match you can't really imagine the guy saying "IN THIS CORNER, WEIGHING IN AT 80 KILOGRAMS" it doesn't sound right.. same with kilometres per hour...[/QUOTE] Yes, it does. Just because you aren't used to it, it doesn't mean the rest of the world hasn't. [QUOTE=AK'z;32455336]How about, yes it is. People saying their weight in Stones is socially excepted, also babies being weighed in pounds is accepted. Why should everything be Metric because it is "perfect". Quarter Pounder With Cheese. Royale With Cheese.[/QUOTE] I haven't ever heard anyone saying his weight in stones. Names are irrelevant to this argument.
[QUOTE=rosthouse;32455730]I don't think so. What if you aren't exactly 6 feet? Like 6 feet and 12 inches. How do you say that? [/QUOTE] Uh, you do realize that would make you 7 feet right?
[QUOTE=Stopper;32456089]Yes, it does. Just because you aren't used to it, it doesn't mean the rest of the world hasn't. I haven't ever heard anyone saying his weight in stones. Names are irrelevant to this argument.[/QUOTE] Well, clearly. Seeing as you're from Bulgaria, you wouldn't get it.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32456059]That's why nobody works with both Pounds and Kilos in the same light. Pounds and Stones work together well.[/QUOTE] Totally. 16 ounces is 1 pound; 14 pounds is 1 stone. Am I missing something here or is that completely retarded and missing any kind of direction or rule to it? [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;32456106]Well, clearly. Seeing as you're from Bulgaria, you wouldn't get it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, if you also haven't noticed, we're on an international forum. I still haven't ever heard anyone stating his weight in stones.
[QUOTE=Stopper;32456108] Yeah, if you also haven't noticed, we're on an international forum. I still haven't ever heard anyone stating his weight in stones.[/QUOTE] Nobody cares, this is a forum. In real life, I doubt the people who speak English in Bulgaria speak the same as the English do in England.
The one thing I think is kind of cool about Imperial is that in some cases it's kind of like base 2, like with volumes. But it's not consistently base 2 unfortunately. If there was a base 16 measurement system, I would be all over that. [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Arachnidus;32456032]Uh, we're all taught metric in school for "advanced" science courses like physics. Actually, all science courses I've taken have used metric. It's just that it's not used in the colloquial. I was raised with feet, miles and pounds, it's easier for me to quantify than kilograms and meters(though meters aren't really that hard, it's just about 3ft). Metric may not be used officially, but most people I know in my generation can easily tell the difference. My mom's, not so much.[/QUOTE] Metric is used by the federal government. IIRC, any law they pass has to use metric measurments. I.e. it's illegal to possess 3kg of bananas. (not actually a law)
[QUOTE=AK'z;32456142]Nobody cares, this is a forum. In real life, I doubt the people who speak English in Bulgaria speak the same as the English do in England.[/QUOTE] I don't see how that's relevant. Why would anyone use a different measurement on a forum as opposed to using whatever he's used to?
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;32456149] Metric is used by the federal government. IIRC, any law they pass has to use metric measurments. I.e. it's illegal to possess 3kg of bananas. (not actually a law)[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_Conversion_Act[/url]
[QUOTE=Stopper;32456181]I don't see how that's relevant. Why would anyone use a different measurement on a forum as opposed to using whatever he's used to?[/QUOTE] Because people on forums talking isn't the same as having a conversation? You get it?
oh fuck not another one of [I]these[/I] threads.
[QUOTE=AK'z;32456223]Because people on forums talking isn't the same as having a conversation? You get it?[/QUOTE] Yes it is? I don't suddenly start using different words when writing something. What reason could there possibly exist to make me, or anyone else for that matter, change a commonly used part of my dictionary [I]only[/I] when writing on a forum? [editline]24th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE='Poesidan [GAG];32456235']oh fuck not another one of [I]these[/I] threads.[/QUOTE] They aren't in General Discussion now - if you don't like them, don't read them.
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