• Post Your Guns V3. Ak's and M4's as usual edition
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[QUOTE=xXEnder007Xx;34124135]I was also give 2 Dboys M203's for free. Could resist the urge to do this, now that I have 3 M203's. All mounted to my WE M4. [IMG]http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1310/img0145mh.jpg[/IMG] Last thing you want to see pointed at you. [img]http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1059/img0146ab.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I don't know about you guys, but does anyone else think this looks like an inflatable boat?
I must say, that must look nice to use in a fight :v:
[QUOTE=masterchief6;34124106]and for scopes well i don't really care, it does it's job[/QUOTE] This guy has the right idea. Seriously, you guys are bitching because someone dared to put a non-PSO scope on a Russian gun? What the christ? That said, the MP5 is a bit silly and likely cumbersome. And as a support gunner myself, it's always a little annoying when someone's gone and stuck a c-mag on a rifle or SMG and can rival my much heavier and more awkward MG.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34127554] That said, the MP5 is a bit silly and likely cumbersome. And as a support gunner myself, it's always a little annoying when someone's gone and stuck a c-mag on a rifle or SMG and can rival my much heavier and more awkward MG.[/QUOTE] Honestly, as a support gunner, I feel like they don't equal a true MG in any way. Almost everyone I've seen with a drum in a normal gun plays airsoft like someone with a normal gun, except with a larger mag. Plus an aykay fordy seven u betta spotsnaz with a durm clipe isn't half as intimidating as a gigantic machine gun
[QUOTE=the_killer24;34127772]Honestly, as a support gunner, I feel like they don't equal a true MG in any way. Almost everyone I've seen with a drum in a normal gun plays airsoft like someone with a normal gun, except with a larger mag. [/QUOTE] Well, that comes down to playstyle, not to equipment. In terms of performance, an M4 with a C-mag is pretty much the same as an actual support gun.
I think he has a point about the intimidation thing. People are more likely to think twice about advancing if there's an actual support weapon ahead, any gun with a Cmag doesn't have as much of a presence as something like an M60 or an M249.
[QUOTE=FloaterTWO;34128116]I think he has a point about the intimidation thing. People are more likely to think twice about advancing if there's an actual support weapon ahead, any gun with a Cmag doesn't have as much of a presence as something like an M60 or an M249.[/QUOTE] Actually, you're right. At my last game, my M60 was fairly mediocre, yet I still had guys on the other team come up to me after the round and talk about how scary it was hearing that thing chugging away from my bunker position. So perception is a big part of it, but that seems almost gimmicky and not worth 15lbs over a drum-fed M4.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34127554]This guy has the right idea. Seriously, you guys are bitching because someone dared to put a non-PSO scope on a Russian gun? What the christ? [/QUOTE] That scope in particular looks really REALLY terrible on that gun though. [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;34128603] but that seems almost gimmicky and not worth 15lbs over a drum-fed M4.[/QUOTE] People who think this are terrible and are part of why airsoft is becoming paintsoft. Sure, you could strap a 5000 round box mag to your super high ROF/FPS M4 running an 11.1v LiPo with a tightbore and upgraded hopup that shoots 8 miles and has an nerf-firing M203 and a variable zoom scope. You could almost take on every role on the field with one gun. But that doesn't change the fact that it makes you a huge cunt who ruins the experience for others.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;34129464]That scope in particular looks really REALLY terrible on that gun though.[/QUOTE] Why's that? It's a fairly generic-looking scope. I think it looks fine. [QUOTE=Timebomb575;34129464]People who think this are terrible and are part of why airsoft is becoming paintsoft. Sure, you could strap a 5000 round box mag to your super high ROF/FPS M4 running an 11.1v LiPo with a tightbore and upgraded hopup that shoots 8 miles and has an nerf-firing M203 and a variable zoom scope. You could almost take on every role on the field with one gun. But that doesn't change the fact that it makes you a huge cunt who ruins the experience for others.[/QUOTE] Well, I agree. When you say 'people who think this', though, you're essentially railing against the perspective of practicality. That's what I'm saying: From a [i]practical[/i] perspective, the intimidation factor is not enough to make a 25lb 4-foot-long support gun more practical than an M4 with a box magazine. There are factors beyond sheer practicality, which is why I have the M60 in the first place. I don't think this is a sport that should be regulated with completely artificial limitations on equipment beyond safety concerns- even strafers have a place, like with your flamethrower. In your given example, it's pretty hard to get a gun with an absurd rate of fire AND the fps to make that scope and range really useful. Parts explode left and right even in low-fps-high-ROF setups, so it's pretty much one or the other. So really what you're looking at is an upgraded M4 with a scope and grenade launcher, which I don't think is beyond the realm of plausibility. Now, adding the box mag on top of that is stupid, but from a gameplay point of view it's not going to offer too much over a couple of hicaps anyways, even assuming it can keep up with the ROF of the gun.
There's now 2 M60s and one M249 at my field now. It's going to be real fun if they all show up, since they're all on the group of friends i'm in which is usually put together as one side :v: I can see a lot of the rentals cowering behind trees as those three fuck shit up in future.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34128040]Well, that comes down to playstyle, not to equipment. In terms of performance, an M4 with a C-mag is pretty much the same as an actual support gun.[/QUOTE] What about an mk36e with a cmag?
[QUOTE=catbarf;34129851] Well, I agree. When you say 'people who think this', though, you're essentially railing against the perspective of practicality. That's what I'm saying: From a [i]practical[/i] perspective, the intimidation factor is not enough to make a 25lb 4-foot-long support gun more practical than an M4 with a box magazine. [/quote] From a practicality perspective, it also makes no sense to try and shoehorn an overly complicated airsoft gun mechanism into a realistic looking body. If we were being "practical" we would probably have some extremely ergonomic purpose built "thing" that would likely bear little resemblance to a real gun. [quote] I don't think this is a sport that should be regulated with completely artificial limitations on equipment beyond safety concerns- even strafers have a place, like with your flamethrower. [/quote] Well yeah, but strafers have many other factors about them that balance them out from a gameplay standpoint with other weapons (Short range, gas consumption, requiring a large gas tank) [quote] In your given example, it's pretty hard to get a gun with an absurd rate of fire AND the fps to make that scope and range really useful. Parts explode left and right even in low-fps-high-ROF setups, so it's pretty much one or the other. [/quote] Oh trust me, it can and has been done. When you get working with expensive upper level parts and guns its not even all that difficult. Fortunately (at least in my area) most of the players using such weapons tend to group up at a field I dont play at :v: That's sometimes why I dont like scrims at BOA, most of the time one side gets creamed its because of poor tactics or what have you, but a good bunch of the time its the fact that most of the RRH guys have their guns tuned PERFECTLY and can just outgun you. [quote] So really what you're looking at is an upgraded M4 with a scope and grenade launcher, which I don't think is beyond the realm of plausibility. Now, adding the box mag on top of that is stupid, but from a gameplay point of view it's not going to offer too much over a couple of hicaps anyways, even assuming it can keep up with the ROF of the gun.[/QUOTE] You are of course assuming the player behind the gun isn't being a total ASS with the thing. You could theoretically just pound the shit out of someones cover and just walk towards them without letting off the trigger for a good 20 seconds or so and never even let them get their head up. Of course most people dont do that because its a shitty, spammy, unrealistic and unfun way to play. To me, airsoft shouldn't have to be a competition of who can get their gun shooting better or who can throw the most ammo downrange. It should be about the skill of the players and how said players use the positives and negatives of their equipment to overcome. Thats not to say I dont like upgrades and such (snipers and DMRs absolutely need them), but would I approve of someone doing a high-rof setup on an M14? Probably not. TLDR: Fuck practicality, fuck gun upgrades, real men kill people with their bare hands and/or preposterously impractical yet badass guns
[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;34130448]What about an mk36e with a cmag?[/QUOTE] That's where it starts getting iffy, because technically it's just a G36 with a C-mag. You could disallow it, but then to be consistent you'd have to disallow things like drums on Thompsons, Skorpions, and PPShs. But as far as performance, a makeshift MG36 like that will pretty much equal a heavier support gun. I guess I don't really understand what you're asking here.
What is your opinion of an MG36? IS it a true support gun, or a "rifle with a drum mag"
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[t]http://i.imgur.com/ciII3.jpg[/t] (thumbed for size) pew [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] also I found out the hard way that Ender was right about the gun sometimes randomly firing when you put the mag in: [t]http://i.imgur.com/gJQ5G.jpg[/t]
Mag dump video! DOO EEE NAOW
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[QUOTE=Fish Muffin;34130690]What is your opinion of an MG36? IS it a true support gun, or a "rifle with a drum mag"[/QUOTE] It's somewhere in between, really. If we were talking for the purpose of, say, specialized support weapon rules for a field, I'd have to say no to the MG36. That's not to say the real one isn't an MG- it's rather similar in function to the RPD and Heavy Barrel FAL in that it doesn't use a belt and can't easily change the barrel, and those are definitely machine guns. But for airsoft, saying your assault rifle with drum should be counted as a machine gun because the company that made the rifle built a test model MG that no military ever adopted sounds downright exploitative. If a G36 with drum got qualified as an MG simply because the MG36 exists despite not being used anywhere, I imagine the people with M4s and drums would be annoyed because they can't do likewise, and the people with 'real' support weapons would be annoyed because the much lighter MG36 has a number of advantages.
What about the BAR and the Bren? Us and the British considered them "squad support weapons" while the M1919 and the Vickers were "heavy weapons"
[QUOTE=felix the cat;34131642]What about the BAR and the Bren? Us and the British considered them "squad support weapons" while the M1919 and the Vickers were "heavy weapons"[/QUOTE] Personally I'd be fine with them as support guns, because they were definitely designed as such. WW2-era 'squad support weapons' are fairly analogous to modern SAWs, after all. My problem with the MG36 isn't that it doesn't use a belt or have quick change barrels or whatever, it's that it's indistinguishable from a G36 with a C-mag, so I would simply treat it as a G36 with a C-mag.
Well luckily for airsoft, G36 barrels are quick change, if they weren't so expensive you could easily carry a few around and change them out. Maybe add a pound or two to your weight too.
[QUOTE=catbarf;34131694]Personally I'd be fine with them as support guns, because they were definitely designed as such. WW2-era 'squad support weapons' are fairly analogous to modern SAWs, after all. My problem with the MG36 isn't that it doesn't use a belt or have quick change barrels or whatever, it's that it's indistinguishable from a G36 with a C-mag, so I would simply treat it as a G36 with a C-mag.[/QUOTE] I feel like as long as it's a full size G36 with a C-mag, and not a G36k or G36c, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
[QUOTE=notrabies;34131740]Well luckily for airsoft, G36 barrels are quick change, if they weren't so expensive you could easily carry a few around and change them out. Maybe add a pound or two to your weight too.[/QUOTE] You mean, to go between full length (for MG36) and carbine (for general G36)? Real G36s don't have quick change barrels, so that wouldn't be a useful feature for an MG36. [editline]9th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=felix the cat;34131885]I feel like as long as it's a full size G36 with a C-mag, and not a G36k or G36c, I wouldn't have a problem with it.[/QUOTE] It's just kind of arbitrary. How would you feel if you had an M16 with C-mag that wasn't allowed as a support weapon, while some other guy's G36 with C-mag is allowed because there exists a prototype weapon in that configuration despite never being adopted or used by any nation?
Honestly a MG36 in my eyes is pretty much exactly like a RPK or BAR or something. Although i agree, anyone could stick a C-mag in a G36 and say "lulz is a em gee therdee sicks", which is really unfair to those that fished out the money and lug around a M249 around, but that's the way shit works, especially IRL. Battle is unfair, and while it should be balanced as much as possible, i envy the smart motherfucker that said "fuck it" to M60s and SAWs and made an MG36 or got an RPK.
Yeah, rather than have a complicated realistic barrel like some other models, airsoft G36's just mount a barrel to where a flashhider belongs on a G36c. Having multiple G36E barrels would let you simulate an updated MG36 with provisions for quick change barrels.
Tankmans new M60, pulled them from facebook Neat, imo [t]http://f.braxupload.se/c23jmy.jpg[/t] [t]http://f.braxupload.se/v1qyap.jpg[/t] [t]http://f.braxupload.se/nozu5e.jpg[/t] [t]http://f.braxupload.se/s8v35f.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;34131951]Honestly a MG36 in my eyes is pretty much exactly like a RPK or BAR or something. Although i agree, anyone could stick a C-mag in a G36 and say "lulz is a em gee therdee sicks", which is really unfair to those that fished out the money and lug around a M249 around, but that's the way shit works, especially IRL. Battle is unfair, and while it should be balanced as much as possible, i envy the smart motherfucker that said "fuck it" to M60s and SAWs and made an MG36 or got an RPK.[/QUOTE] By the same logic you should envy the smart motherfucker that said "fuck it" to M60s and SAWs and made a Shrike. I mean, you basically said the MG36 isn't really fair, but that's the way shit works- so what's the difference? The reason people dislike that particular combo is because it affords the functionality of a machine gun in a less realistic and advantageous package. The MG36 is the same thing- it's not realistic because nobody uses it in real life, and it's advantageous in that it's light and much more wieldy than a full-sized LMG. I don't see why you would treat the two differently. The MG36 and Shrike are both weapons manufactured without a military contract, the only difference is that the MG36 is no longer produced at all. On another note, that's a pretty cool M60. Personally I'm not a fan of the vertical foregrip, much preferring the regular Mk43, but still a cool gun.
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