• Why aliens couldn't have visted the Earth.
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Actually if the big bang theory is correct; It's very possible to travel faster than the speed of light. How else would all these galaxies have gotten such a big space between them in only 15 billion years?
[QUOTE=psych0;19122552]Actually if the big bang theory is correct; It's very possible to travel faster than the speed of light. How else would all these galaxies have gotten such a big space between them in only 15 billion years?[/QUOTE] Universe doesn't expand in one direction you know.
[QUOTE=nos217;19122528]Uh, do we? We barely know for sure whether the moon and Mars have water (and thus probably life) on them or not.[/QUOTE] Exactly and if bacterial life is so abundant, then somewhere else in the Galaxy life would have to have evolved to complex life forms and in possibly even more rare cases intelligent life. [QUOTE=johanz;19122540]Aliens didn't help build pyramids, it's just humans traveled back in time and did that.[/QUOTE] Technically UFOs could be humans from the future too. :psyboom: [QUOTE=psych0;19122552]Actually if the big bang theory is correct; It's very possible to travel faster than the speed of light. How else would all these galaxies have gotten such a big space between them in only 15 billion years?[/QUOTE] Thats the expansion of space so technically its not "moving" faster than light.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122584]Exactly and if bacterial life is so abundant, then somewhere else in the Galaxy life would have to have evolved to complex life forms and in possibly even more rare cases intelligent life. Technically UFOs could be humans from the future too. :psyboom: Thats the expansion of space so technically its not "moving" faster than light.[/QUOTE] Technically if you see a baseball flying, but don't know that it is a Baseball, it's a UFO. :psyboom:
[QUOTE=mobrockers;19122600]Technically if you see a baseball flying, but don't know that it is a Baseball, it's a UFO. :psyboom:[/QUOTE] Id know a baseball if I saw one :c00l:. Astronomy is one of my cool subjects.
I don't see why speed faster than light can't be achieved? Sure we can't do it right now, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.
[QUOTE=johanz;19122612]I don't see why speed faster than light can't be achieved? Sure we can't do it right now, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.[/QUOTE] Ofcourse it is possible, however, It would require to much energy, and by the time we can, we would already have developed far more efficient ways of transportation.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;19122633]Ofcourse it is possible, however, It would require to much energy, and by the time we can, we would already have developed far more efficient ways of transportation.[/QUOTE] Entire planet of Jupiter as pure energy just to kick start a warp drive, sounds like efficient travel to me.
We could meet aliens, just not in this eon.
Aliens aren't going to travel for millions of years just to visit us. Don't kid yourselves that they will.
[QUOTE=DeadorK;19122675]Aliens aren't going to travel for millions of years just to visit us. Don't kid yourselves that they will.[/QUOTE] Who says they are as advanced as us, what if they are thousands of years or even millions of years more advanced than us using technology so vastly superior it would make no sense to us? Perhaps the aliens are just curious travelers who mastered traveling through hyper space or have something like a warp drive capable of bending space. They wouldnt be traveling for millions of years, try to put yourself in their place and think of what you would do with such technology.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122637]Entire planet of Jupiter as pure energy just to kick start a warp drive, sounds like efficient travel to me.[/QUOTE] Wait what?
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110517]If there was a wormhole anywhere remotely near us, we would know about it, so that rule that out. And by near, I mean 3,000,000 light years.[/QUOTE] Because anti-matter decides to open random wormholes in space. :fuckyou: [editline]03:08PM[/editline] That are near us, by the way.
[QUOTE=SlicedBread;19110350]We know for certain that there is no [B]intelligent[/B] life in the milky way system[/QUOTE] *beep* try again
[QUOTE=mobrockers;19122726]Wait what?[/QUOTE] Yeah exactly it would take the entire planet of Jupiter just to kick start a warp drive, then you would need even more energy just to bend space and pull yourself forward without destroying the ship. Good luck with that.
[QUOTE=Kukuzi;19115193]Mathematics is a universal language, do not underestimate our grasp of it. Yes, our understanding improves over time, but you have to understand that the mathematics and physics behind this discussion have proven again and again. It is almost the equation 1=1 It cannot be changed, no matter what race you are, no matter what planet you come from [/QUOTE] That's bullshit and you're only quoting it as an argument because we have no proof against it, from our [B]current understanding[/B]. Close mindedness like this will only make our technology progression go slower. We [U]know [/U]NOTHING about the world we live in compared to what [U]we do not know[/U]. "Oh well maths says that we can't go faster than light so fuck it don't bother trying to experiment with this... etc" Bullshit.
[QUOTE=Detective P;19115604]I understand that. I'm not saying that our math is wrong, I'm saying that there may be ways to get around some of our limitations proposed by our [i]not-definitive prove[/i] theories , or that it may be incorrect. One always equals one, yes, but for right now our theories could very well not add up as we discover more over time. That's why they're theories- they have supporting evidence, but are not yet fully proven, such as many thousands of theories before them. Simply because 1=1 does not mean that others have not discovered other ways to use the idea of 1=1 that we haven't thought of or that they haven't also discovered things we haven't, and have used them. I don't think you understand what I've been saying- I'm not suggesting that 1=1 is wrong, I'm simply saying that we cannot definitively say that our current theories are right. I'm not saying those are wrong either. I'm saying that they may know more than us, and have developed more technologically and have a better overall understanding than us and can use that to their advantage in doing things that we may not yet understand or that seem to contradict our current theories.[/QUOTE] Please stop using words like proven/right/wrong when referring to the scientific method, it makes no sense. Also, 1=1 would be a statement of logic: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_classic_laws_of_thought#Aristotle[/url] [QUOTE=johanz;19122612]I don't see why speed faster than light can't be achieved? Sure we can't do it right now, but that doesn't mean it's impossible.[/QUOTE] As the speed of something with mass approaches c, the mass approaches infinity which also means the energy required to accelerate said object approaches infinity which makes FTL movement make no sense in this universe. This is why models using wormholes still haven't been completely discounted as they don't involve anything moving faster than c. You can't really compare this to how people in say the stone age would have viewed helicopters because it's completely different, in those times they saw birds doing similar things and even saw comets and stuff moving in space which we can do with space ships, but moving faster than c has never been observed and it breaks so many concepts we've come to accept about this universe.
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;19122774] Also, 1=1 would be a statement of logic: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_classic_laws_of_thought#Aristotle[/url][/QUOTE] You're an idiot. You might aswell call it Descartian Logic for the water it holds in an argument. Just because it appears correct to assume 1=1 does not make it so. Its just a way to back out of an argument when you are defeated.
[QUOTE=Benf199105;19122823]You're an idiot. You might aswell call it Descartian Logic for the water it holds in an argument. Just because it appears correct to assume 1=1 does not make it so.[/QUOTE] Every post you make I think I like you more and more.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122833]Every post you make I think I like you more and more.[/QUOTE] I don't know if my sarcasm detector is broken but, thanks? :tinfoil:
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122711]Who says they are as advanced as us, what if they are thousands of years or even millions of years more advanced than us using technology so vastly superior it would make no sense to us? Perhaps the aliens are just curious travelers who mastered traveling through hyper space or have something like a warp drive capable of bending space. They wouldnt be traveling for millions of years, try to put yourself in their place and think of what you would do with such technology.[/QUOTE] I'd really like to think that aliens had the technology to travel much faster than the speed of light, but there is a thing called the theory of special relativity that at the moment, points all fingers at know they do not have the technology. Such a shame though.
[QUOTE=Benf199105;19122844]I don't know if my sarcasm detector is broken but, thanks?[/QUOTE] Im serious because youre not posting uneducated opinions like the OP and many other posts in this thread. [QUOTE=DeadorK;19122853]I'd really like to think that aliens had the technology to travel much faster than the speed of light, but there is a thing called the theory of special relativity that at the moment, points all fingers at know they do not have the technology. Such a shame though.[/QUOTE] Look up something called Einsteins Spooky Action.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122772]Yeah exactly it would take the entire planet of Jupiter just to kick start a warp drive, then you would need even more energy just to bend space and pull yourself forward without destroying the ship. Good luck with that.[/QUOTE] Never said anything about a warp drive :D
[quote]We know for certain that there is no intelligent life in the milky way system, besides us[/quote] I literally stopped reading here because it's probably one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen.
[QUOTE=Benf199105;19122823]You're an idiot. You might aswell call it Descartian Logic for the water it holds in an argument. Just because it appears correct to assume 1=1 does not make it so. Its just a way to back out of an argument when you are defeated.[/QUOTE] What are you on about? x equals x is a logical absolute, to say this isn't the case makes no sense as it's one basis from which all logic derives.
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;19122883]What are you on about? x equals x is a logical absolute, to say this isn't the case makes no sense as it's one basis from which all logic derives.[/QUOTE] If you want to go down the whole x = x, because x = x, route you go ahead. [url]http://www.abelard.org/category/category.php[/url] - Look at this poorly made site and knock yourself out. Prove to me that x = x .
[QUOTE=Darkcoder;19122883]What are you on about? x equals x is a logical absolute, to say this isn't the case makes no sense as it's one basis from which all logic derives.[/QUOTE] Intelligent life on Earth does not equal intelligent life elsewhere, intelligent life on Earth equals intelligent life on Earth. You cant use that kind of logic when talking about life existing as it does here compared to elsewhere in the universe.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122854] Look up something called Einsteins Spooky Action.[/QUOTE] I took a peak at the wikipedia article, and although I am not the savviest when it comes to Quantum Mechanics I only saw the speed of light mentioned once, and I don't think the rest of the article had much to do with the discussion. But hey maybe I'm just a :downs: physicist.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19122905]Intelligent life on Earth does not equal intelligent life elsewhere, intelligent life on Earth equals intelligent life on Earth. You cant use that kind of logic when talking about life existing as it does here compared to elsewhere in the universe.[/QUOTE] Straw man? I never anywhere in my life claimed that life existing here thus equals life existing elsewhere.
[QUOTE=DeadorK;19122914]I took a peak at the wikipedia article, and although I am not the savviest when it comes to Quantum Mechanics I only saw the speed of light mentioned once, and I don't think the rest of the article had much to do with the discussion. But hey maybe I'm just a :downs: physicist.[/QUOTE] Here Ive got an old article on it if you just wanna read that. [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3349494/Einsteins-spooky-action-acts-at-10000-times-the-speed-of-light.html[/url] [QUOTE=Darkcoder;19122938]Straw man? I never anywhere in my life claimed that life existing here thus equals life existing elsewhere.[/QUOTE] Thats pretty much what x = x argument is.
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