• White People Have a Higher Suicide Rate than Any Other Race in the United States. Why?
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Probably a sense of entitlement that causes them to get pissy when things go badly. But you know, that's natural selection in action, as cold as that sounds. Also, with the world economy as shit as it is, (middle class) whites lost the most wealth, which can drive otherwise happy people to suicide when their decent standard of living gets obliterated by Wall Street's bad behavior.
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;34534869]they can't stand the burden of having the easiest life of any race[/QUOTE] If it were a race that normally did poorly economically, this wouldn't be a discussion. The fact that it's the race that normally did the best economically that's committing suicide is what makes it interesting.
Statistically, people with higher IQs are more likely to commit suicide than people with lower ones. Also statistically, white people have a higher IQ than most minorities. note that I'm not implying that white people are inherently smarter, it's an environmental thing.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;34535074]Statistically, people with higher IQs are more likely to commit suicide than people with lower ones. Also statistically, white people have a higher IQ than most minorities. note that I'm not implying that white people are inherently smarter, it's an environmental thing.[/QUOTE] Perhaps. White people tend to have more time, and people with a lot of time think deeply about certain things, which can lead to depression. Many philosophers, such as Otto Weininger have committed suicide.
Average white person does better then the average not white person so when a white person fails they look at other white people and see how well off they are so they think that they are so far off as losers and failure they kill themselves.
In my high school, whites were actually the minority. Indians and Asians took up more than half the 2000+ kids at my school. I was bullied for being white :v:
1. first world problems 2. There are, in fact, more white people than anyone else. 3. As to the IQ thing, white people tend to have more educational opportunities and logistical largesse. Big surprise that an aggregate IQ score would reflect this. [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;34532573]Also I believe hispanics are considered to be white when doing the statistics.[/QUOTE] Hasn't been the case for quite a while.
[QUOTE=27X;34535477]1. first world problems 2. There are, in fact, more white people than anyone else. 3. As to the IQ thing, white people tend to have more educational opportunities and logistical largesse. Big surprise that an aggregate IQ score would reflect this. [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] Hasn't been the case for quite a while.[/QUOTE] IQ is unrelated to education. it's capacity to learn, not knowledge. also "first world problems" are still problems
[QUOTE=Liem;34532279]Does this rate take in that there are more white than any other race in the US?[/QUOTE] Yet blacks, who only take up 12-13% of the the US is said to commit the most crimes.
It seems that, in general, affluence is the strongest argument here as others have said. When a good portion of things are going well and have went well your entire life, it gives you more to focus on in the negative, whereas if you're struggling to survive, you learn to be happy with what you have. That, and the "You're not all you can be" argument. I'm under constant pressure to be the first person in my family to go to college and such. You may say "first world problems", but you can't really get mad at people for having those problems when they are the only problems a person has known.
[QUOTE=Mr. Bleak;34537126]It seems that, in general, affluence is the strongest argument here as others have said. When a good portion of things are going well and have went well your entire life, it gives you more to focus on in the negative, whereas if you're struggling to survive, you learn to be happy with what you have. That, and the "You're not all you can be" argument. I'm under constant pressure to be the first person in my family to go to college and such. You may say "first world problems", but you can't really get mad at people for having those problems when they are the only problems a person has known.[/QUOTE] I'm personally dealing with the second one. My wife is a poor woman who is originally from Guatemala, and I've known plenty of people in heavy in poverty, so I do the best that I think someone in my situation can to be appreciative. What's difficult for me (ironically) is that I realize that I have more opportunities than other people and my biggest fear in the world is not using my resources to their full potential. I think I could contently live with the material end of having a crappy job, but I think I would take a psychological toll that would make me very depressed. I'm only 20 and am almost done with an associate's degree and know where I can work after I get my bachelor's degree. But even if everything is set, I always have that lingering fear of not appearing to do well.
White people have higher IQs than most minorities and as a result, have psychological problems such as depression and anxiety due to deeper thought processes. It's true, you never really see a black person or a Latino who's depressed or has anxiety.
Also, very appropriate username :) [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MedicmanV500;34537383]White people have higher IQs than most minorities and as a result, have psychological problems such as depression and anxiety due to deeper thought processes. It's true, you never really see a black person or a Latino who's depressed or has anxiety.[/QUOTE] Let's encourage them to challenge themselves intellectually so that they can be deep and depressive like us :buddy:. [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] My dad, who has bi-polar, manic depression and an IQ of 156, said that psychological processes are like driving on a freeway. If you step on the gas, you can get to new places much faster, but sometimes when you step too fast, you skid and crash.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;34537404]Also, very appropriate username :) [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] Let's encourage them to challenge themselves intellectually so that they can be deep and depressive like us :buddy:. [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] My dad, who has bi-polar, manic depression and an IQ of 156, said that psychological processes are like driving on a freeway. If you step on the gas, you can get to new places much faster, but sometimes when you step too fast, you skid and crash.[/QUOTE] if that's the case I'm somewhere in the middle of an 18 car pileup
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;34535525]IQ is unrelated to education. it's capacity to learn, not knowledge. also "first world problems" are still problems[/QUOTE] As usual your opinions are stupid and baseless, even countered by a thread on this very site relating to education and IQ, and the dispositions thereof. IQ is amalgamated grouping of several types of aptitude, [b]some which are learned[/b]. Perhaps you should do some research before posting, research that doesn't involve clicking on the first link of horribly misspelled field query. [quote] depressed [/quote] Your magical world sounds fascinating.
[QUOTE=27X;34538620]As usual your opinions are stupid and baseless, even countered by a thread on this very site relating to education and IQ, and the dispositions thereof. IQ is amalgamated grouping of several types of aptitude, [b]some which are learned[/b]. Perhaps you should do some research before posting, research that doesn't involve clicking on the first link of horribly misspelled field query. Your magical world sounds fascinating.[/QUOTE] You're a legitimately terrible person.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;34534391]I think self-esteem is a huge factor. When people see a black janitor they generally think "He's making the best of life that he can." and "He's humble and taking care of his family.". When people see a white janitor, they think "He's probably an alcoholic, maybe he's a little drunk right now." and "He probably made some really bad decisions when he was in college."[/QUOTE] maybe it's just me but I usually think "that guy is a janitor"
They sit on facebook and other social networking sites everyday and believe everyone live the perfect lives. When in reality everyone try to make it look like they live perfect lives. So weak minded white people is killing each other. Neutral Selection! Other races don't got time for it.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34538821]They sit on facebook and other social networking sites everyday and believe everyone live the perfect lives. When in reality everyone try to make it look like they live perfect lives. So weak minded white people is killing each other. Neutral Selection! Other races don't got time for it.[/QUOTE] oh god, what have we done to deserve this incredible
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;34534391]I think self-esteem is a huge factor. When people see a black janitor they generally think "He's making the best of life that he can." and "He's humble and taking care of his family.". When people see a white janitor, they think "He's probably an alcoholic, maybe he's a little drunk right now." and "He probably made some really bad decisions when he was in college.". Even if a white person is doing well, however, it seems that there's constantly a pressure to keep doing better and not be satisfied with what you have, and if a white person claims to want to just "be happy with what they have," people immediately think that it's just an excuse because they failed to be "the big wheel." [editline]4th February 2012[/editline] And I think it's partly because our culture almost encourages it at times.[/QUOTE] My old janitor was white, so was the other one, they were both pretty awesome people.
Being a philosophy minor, and having spent hours on meditation and reflection, I can tell you that having the time to reflect on the frailty of life and how short our lives are is definitely a reason why Caucasians have the highest suicide rate. And having one of the lower religious rates, you realize that the only reason most people get in to religion is to help them not think about death, because they assume that suddenly there is something eternal, without death, and then they try to be a part of that, thinking that maybe they'll get to be eternal as well, and avoid death.
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[QUOTE=fluke42;34542973]Being a philosophy minor, and having spent hours on meditation and reflection, I can tell you that having the time to reflect on the frailty of life and how short our lives are is definitely a reason why Caucasians have the highest suicide rate. And having one of the lower religious rates, you realize that the only reason most people get in to religion is to help them not think about death, because they assume that suddenly there is something eternal, without death, and then they try to be a part of that, thinking that maybe they'll get to be eternal as well, and avoid death.[/QUOTE] What religion also offers is a sense of community and something more powerful than yourself being on your side. I felt both of those things when I was a little Christian and I felt the first one when I was a Buddhist 7 years later. It gives you a uniform, a social group and makes you feel like you have a community even when you are alone. I sometimes envy people who are convinced of a religion. Although, you could take the thinking path of Carl Sagan and allow the complexity and vastness of the universe become something to inspire your curiosity and awe, rather than making you feel depressed about how small we are.
I once read an journal on suicide rates, patterns and its prevalence in different countries (too lazy to find the actual journal though, i think the study was conducted by Stanford). Basically they were suggesting that suicide rate is directly proportional to the quality of life. Surprisingly, in war torn and impoverished countries suicide rates were super low to pretty much non-existent. For people in those countries, bombs and shit luck were a way of life and totally normal. For instance, it mentioned a Vietnamese kid who was born during the war and when the war was over, he was actually surprised that he didn't have to go and hide in holes and shit all the time to escape the bombardments. For him constantly hiding from air raids was normal. On the other hand, it showed that in developed countries the smallest financial set-backs could potentially send people into severe depression and consequently make them commit suicide. Now going back to the op. "Whites", generally speaking, have better living standards. So, a small problem can have more impact on them than any other demographic in the US. "She didn't want to be my prom date, i'm a worthless loser" *time to slit my wrist* Or "bank foreclosed my home, i'm gonna go jump off a building now" etc You get the idea. Like others said, suicide is a "first world problem".
lol @ anybody who thinks IQ is a worthwhile test of anything in this day and age
I find it interesting the opinions spoken so brazenly from those who have never felt anything like severe depression or suicidal thoughts. They can exist in [i]all[/i] races equally, it doesn't matter if you're black-n-white or white with a little Asian.. And there is no defined path to Depression or suicide either, nearly every PhD in the field of Psychology has found some cause for depression... mal-nutrition, quality of life, genetics, sunlight exposure, drugs (ie caffeine), how you were raised as an infant, shoes being too small, and etc, etc.. That doesn't mean they're wrong, but i think it means they've all bitten off a small piece of a grander picture. Severe depression truly sucks, I know personally- right up to the suicidal thoughts and yet on an analytical level it is strange and fascinating too, it's not like you're sitting there in a dark room "Oh F- my life! She broke up with me, my job sucks, i hate my car, and I have money issues! I'm going to kill myself!", thats [i]normal depression[/i] that everyone experiences when going through that [i]rough patch[/i] in life (minus the suicide bit), so tough up and grow up it'll get better if you work for it. Severe depression is different, you don't always have reason for it to be there. You could be at your wedding, walk out to the back for a breath of fresh air and get hit. You don't always become all depressive and mopey either, sometimes its just the idea of ending it idling in the back of your head like a motor with something occasionally pushing on the accelerator. I don't know why I have it, I just always have. It's a normal albeit somewhat abstract part of my life. Something I have come to terms with, though it can be annoying. I'd almost be willing to say Intelligence as being an almost [i]rational cure[/i]... In my case, I didn't want to kill myself but the thoughts were always there during a particularly dark part of my life. So in effort to find a reason outside of going back to religion or pharmacology I dove into Quantum and Astrophysics, General Relativity, String theories, Chemistry, and as many different sciences as you can name. I have a vast appreciation for just existing now, the world around us and how much we take it for granted are ASTOUNDING. I don't hear the [i]motor[/i] nearly as much, and when I do i can put it in its place with what I have learned. That doesn't mean it's still not there though, but I definitely think my understanding of our world helped the issue.
so much generalisation in here, lets just say all black people commit crimes, live a shitty life, and get hunted by hate groups every day
[QUOTE=MedicmanV500;34537383]White people have higher IQs than most minorities and as a result, have psychological problems such as depression and anxiety due to deeper thought processes. It's true, you never really see a black person or a Latino who's depressed or has anxiety.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if this is supposed to be ironic or not. Either way, it's very ignorant.
I am less impressed by the fact the majority has a higher suicide rate & more impressed by the fact that the minority trumps the majority's homicide rate. Whats up with that?
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;34545933]lol @ anybody who thinks IQ is a worthwhile test of anything in this day and age[/QUOTE] Pretty much. It does point to natural or adopted facility for quickly and concisely arranging facts and theories and putting them to use.
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