• School rules, should they become more lenient?
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I think its silly to have school uniforms, because its a waste of money. You aren't going to be wearing it for long, and as soon as school is over or you had graduated you won't be wearing it. Plus, being able to decide what you can wear should make you feel more comfortable, than to be forced to wear the same clothing everyday. If a child dislike it, I don't think it'll be of any help when he's in a classroom. And the punishments that follow for not following the school rules are rather strict and they don't seem to be productive under any circumstances, but rather make things worse. Making a student retain because of poor grades or results is an example. Not only does it make the student feel like shit because he can't keep up with his peers, and it may not help him to become better in whichever topics that he is weak in. Suspending a student because of small mistakes is a pretty big waste of time, and it stops a student from knowing any important details. Its not the student's fault if he doesn't know about what you had asked him when he clearly missed the lesson. I'm sure that there are rules that should be gotten rid of a long time ago.
I think that although school uniform is a bad thing (being a child an' all) but it is needed to a certain extent. If everyone wears the same thing then no one gets bullied for liking a certain band, or being poor or for wearing clothes by a certain brand. I don't believe any of the crap that we are told, that it "Helps us learn better, and concentrate more in class" but nevertheless there is a point to be made for school uniform. Now, I'm not sure how the school system works over there in the US, or anywhere else but in the UK it works like this; You spend 3 or 4 years at an infant school, when I went you weren't aloud to have uniform until 3rd year, and even then it wasn't compulsory. In juniors school uniform was compulsory, but quite relaxed. The uniform was a blue jumper and polo shirts, the jumper didn't even need to have the school logo, although it as encouraged. Now I'm in secondary school the uniform is quite strict. We have to have plain black trousers, no black jeans, I only just get away with my chinos, we have to have plain black shoes and a black blazer. School uniform is quite expensive, a blazer in my size is roughly £25, and plain black shoes can be quite a bit to. On the subject of rules I know students that have been excluded for forgetting ties, blazers and not having a note for non black school shoes, but then again kids don't even get a warning for shouting across the classroom, throwing pens and swearing at teachers.
To be honest, it sounds like you got detention for being a retard and are still flustered about it. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]
My school uniform is actually working for me. When I'm in that uniform, people associate me with the top school in the region. Adults tend to ease up around me and when I'm riding like a retard on my way to school the cops (yeah, I've been pulled over a few times for [B]speeding on my bike[/B]) seem a lot more chill than when they pull over some of the other schools. Plus my formal uniform is made of this polyester cotton which is nice and cool even in the Australian heat. The girls also wear these super thin white shirts. Spring is [U]awesome [/U]because of the rain and sudden gusts of wind. If my formal uniform was light as a cloud, my sports uniform might as well be 2-dimensional. As for rules, eh. My friends keep up a certain standard not to stay out of trouble but to use it as a trump card against socially-fucked kids who want to hang with us.
A school uniform is totally unneeded. The first point is it helps the poor since school uniforms are normally cheaper then normal clothing. Yeah, but now you've got your school uniform, then you have to go buy normal clothing to wear outside of school because you can't ruin your school uniform. Another point as made early was it prevents people from bullying other people because of brand names and other trivial shit. First of all, that's pretty stupid stuff, I'm sure bullies will find something else to bully people about, second of all someone should sit down and talk to these kids about bullying and give them real punishment instead of trying to make everyone the same. People will be different and they will have to deal with it eventually.
Reposting since there's basically two threads about the same thing: My high school had uniforms. I was fine with it because you just wear the uniforms so you don't have to really worry about what to wear each day. And everyone else looks the same as you, with the exception of usually different color polo's and either khaki or navy blue shorts/pants/skirts. Just adds convenience imo.
Move to Serbia. They tried to invent school uniforms and shit went straight downhill before the idea was even presented.
School rules are fine the way they are for your average American school. Problem is that nobody enforces it and they choose to make a few examples out of a few people. They need to be fair across the board, harsh and just punishments if you really do something stupid and it should be in place in elementary to middle school, maybe more lenient in high school. get 'em young, they'll know how to act.
We don't get punishments in my new American school for anything short of beating someone, or telling a teacher to 'go fuck himself'. You can be late, not come to school, miss days, whatever, it's just that it impacts your grades, but there's not active 'detention' system, like in SA, where, if you missed class without an excuse, you'd have to use your saturday to spend 5 hours at school cleaning the boards or spend the afternoon after the day you fucked up on writing out sentences. All that autocratic bullshit, when unimplemented, like here in the US, ultimately leads to a more timid environment. We don't have 'in' people. Everyone is an equal in this school, however, ou do get your occasional dude who's like, 'I don't like immigrants in the US'.
School rules in my opinion should be more strict because I can pretty much do anything I want now I can come to school and leave when ever I want because they dont even care what I do since I skipped and never showed up so much. That's why I barely pass school because I get to do what I want and have no one get angry at me, I wish that I still had that guilt feeling.
[QUOTE=shian;38166872]I think its silly to have school uniforms, because its a waste of money. You aren't going to be wearing it for long, and as soon as school is over or you had graduated you won't be wearing it. Plus, being able to decide what you can wear should make you feel more comfortable, than to be forced to wear the same clothing everyday.[/QUOTE] I disagree with this, it prepares kids for work. I have to wear a shirt and trousers to work and it's uncomfortable, a lot more expensive than a school uniform, and a pain to clean and iron every week. But that's life, you wear what you're told to wear. School uniforms are there to make a school look good, like uniforms at work. Although I do agree the cost of school uniforms is going up
Rules on certain things certainly need to be relaxed, or at least the punishments. I don't think it's right to completely suspend someone for smoking a cig on school property(IE, their car). I hate tobacco, but it's bullshit that it's an automatic 3 day suspension here if you get caught, i understand if it's inside, but still a little extreme. At our school, i don't go there anymore, they put me in some program out of actual school. But some people i've asked about how things are, and according to 4 different people, if you wear a hooded coat or hoodie inside, after about 3 warnings, they take you into the office with a pair of scissors and cut the hood off.(I mean if you wear the hood up)
I'm really not fond of "it prepares children for a life of work" style replies. We should question the necessity of uniforms at work as much as we should question it at schools. What clothes you're wearing has pretty much no obvious effect on performance (unless it's designed with performance in mind, obviously). Educational institutes need to teach people IF YOU WANT TO DO X DO Y, not DO X BECAUSE WE SAY SO. Want to present the company you are a valuable member of as being professional? You should wear professional attire. Want to not be at risk of health hazards? Wear protective clothing. Want to learn maths? Who gives a fuck what shirt you're wearing: it makes no fucking difference. The whole uniform thing really does nothing but to emphasise the role of schools as a shitty ineffective one that serves to teach irrational submissive behaviour. It disturbs me that people see a school as a place to prepare people for the drudgery of working life, rather than a place to equip you with rational/cognitive skills to be an effective, productive, independent person (that coincidentally, is more prepared for independent living aka working life).
I used to go to a school with uniform. Navy/Tan pants, white/navy polo, plus you could wear a school sweatshirt if you wanted. Now, however, I go to a public school. No uniform, just a dress code. It's significantly better getting to choose how you dress. That "it prepares you for work" thing is bullshit too. Almost no company will force someone to dress in the exact same clothes. Yeah it might have a dress code, like you have to wear something "professional" but you have a lot of different options as far as that goes.
When it comes to uniforms, I feel like a dress code is definitely necessary, but uniforms aren't, except for gym maybe. With a well thought out dress code you'll be able to wear a lot of the things you'd want to, and it'd keep people from wearing ridiculous shit to school. Everyone wins.
In such a shithole like where I live, I don't mind having a uniform to prevent bullying over brands or the price of clothes (no joke, the chavs actually spend our money on designer clothes and bags) but we're also 'not supposed' to have any piercings other than one in a specific place on the ear. Funnily enough, that really pisses some groups of girls off, and my chemistry teacher regularly ruins her entire lesson by having a go at said girls at the beginning for having nose/ear piercings, meaning they just talk and bitch all lesson instead of working. I can't say I blame them; most of the teachers are rude as [i]fuck[/i] about them. Not only that, but it's a case of double standards. Some of our female teachers turn up in low-cut tops with massive hoop earrings that you could hang yourself on, and we even have one male teacher with a tongue piercing. Teachers should have a dress code just like us, otherwise the reaction from students is quite violent and the rules become counterproductive.
"Zero Tolerance" is the biggest pile of crap ever conceived by the educational establishment. It doesn't take into account extenuating circumstances, and more often than not screws over people that were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or were left holding the bag when someone gets busted. People get arrested and expelling for harmless pranks that would have been laughed off a good twenty years ago (hell, maybe even ten), and kids are scared to act naturally around teachers and administration because of this horse-shit. It doesn't belong in the school system, let alone ANY system. There will always be extenuating circumstances, and not letting anyone look at the situation is a terrible policy.
[QUOTE=DemonDog;38214127] That "it prepares you for work" thing is bullshit too. [b]Almost no company will force someone to dress in the exact same clothes.[/b] Yeah it might have a dress code, like you have to wear something "professional" but you have a lot of different options as far as that goes.[/QUOTE] Of course they do, most retail and fast food restaurants have uniforms with their logos on, especially in retail jobs where the employee has to actively try and sell products, so the customer knows who works there and who to go to.
It also depends where do you live. When i was a kid,the other kids in my school had some kind of samurai personality or something,when someone would bully over brands that would be a sign of idiocy and suddenly a whole fucking army of kids would appear and attack the bully.
As far as school uniforms: The problem with school uniforms isn't exactly the uniforms themselves, but what they're designed to promote: standardization. If you look at countries where school uniforms are still in use (UK, USA etc.), everything in schools is standardized, even the tests for the subjects. However, I live in Finland, where I've never had to wear a school uniform, and our educational system is built against standardized testing and such. Honestly, there is no one true answer to this question, but I believe in letting kids be individuals, instead of trying to build some sort of collective out of them, because that worked for me.
I realize it's been said earlier in this thread, but I feel like it should be repeated. The school I go to doesn't have a uniform, but it has a dress code. From the guys' perspective, it's pretty open to interpretation. A jacket, a button down shirt, a tie, no jeans, and any kind of shoes that you throw on. I like it because it sets a standard of presentation for students, but it also allows for personalization from person to person. For example, most people just go with the navy blazer and khaki pants combo and they look fine and are following all the rules. On the other hand, there are some people who take it to a more personalized level. I, for example, like wearing black pants, a blue shirt, a tan jacket, and a blue tie. In both examples, we're following the rules and representing the school well, but we also are able to represent ourselves on an individual basis, which seems to be the primary argument against a uniform here. Individuality should be maintained and I agree that a uniform stifles individual students, albeit in a fairly minor way.
I actually like my school uniform, it consists of black shoes and black trousers, a white shirt and green tie, and a black blazer. The blazer is actually pretty helpful, with the multiple pockets on the inside, allowing you to keep pens, pencils, keys and money etc inside. Furthermore, it prevents the hassle of trying to keep within dress code, and look fashionable/stylish at the same time.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;38213398]I'm really not fond of "it prepares children for a life of work" style replies. We should question the necessity of uniforms at work as much as we should question it at schools. What clothes you're wearing has pretty much no obvious effect on performance (unless it's designed with performance in mind, obviously). Educational institutes need to teach people IF YOU WANT TO DO X DO Y, not DO X BECAUSE WE SAY SO. Want to present the company you are a valuable member of as being professional? You should wear professional attire. Want to not be at risk of health hazards? Wear protective clothing. Want to learn maths? Who gives a fuck what shirt you're wearing: it makes no fucking difference. The whole uniform thing really does nothing but to emphasise the role of schools as a shitty ineffective one that serves to teach irrational submissive behaviour. It disturbs me that people see a school as a place to prepare people for the drudgery of working life, rather than a place to equip you with rational/cognitive skills to be an effective, productive, independent person (that coincidentally, is more prepared for independent living aka working life).[/QUOTE] School uniforms are supposed to ingrain the idea of everyone looking the same when they go to work. Work places have uniforms because they have a reputation to keep. It is always about reputation. If your workplace looks nice, people will want to do business with you. if it looks trashy, or messy, no one will want to do business with you.
[QUOTE=InstantDeath;38227100]School uniforms are supposed to ingrain the idea of everyone looking the same when they go to work. Work places have uniforms because they have a reputation to keep. It is always about reputation. If your workplace looks nice, people will want to do business with you. if it looks trashy, or messy, no one will want to do business with you.[/QUOTE] You have good reason to dress appropriately for work, because it has an effect on availability of your pay check. You have [I]no[/I] good reason to dress in uniform at school because it makes no difference on your ability to learn. It's like everyone thinks we should [I]trick[/I] kids into being okay with work, rather than making it okay with reason and argument.
My school is over the top with uniforms Tucked in shirts, hats in summer, school socks, school bag, no jewellery/make-up It is absolutely fucking ridiculous, everybody just looks silly EDIT Yes they should be more lenient But to be honest most schools don't really care, my old school did not give a single shit, it was a riot. Every school has its rules
Please refrain from just posting your uniform or non-uniform policy is, and try to discuss the topic in a way that may reach a conclusion.
Isn't the answer entirely dependent on the school in question?
I go to a school where the only rule is don't distract other people's learning. It works and I fucking love it. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Anecdotes are not debating" - Megafan))[/highlight]
Why does it matter? You're in school for an education. If you don't like wearing a uniform, suck it up. The uniform and rules don't affect your education.
I believe uniforms are much better than letting kids wear whatever they want. When in school I see many kids wearing things that are made just to distract others like neon green Nikes and socks. Girls wear see through shirts and all that disgusting suggestive clothing, I believe the people who made the dress code is just a team of perverted old men who wanna fuck a 13 year old. I believe a uniform would be definitely less distracting, if it were a problem you could have options in the uniform or something like that.
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