• Vegetarians - Your thoughts on them
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Well, I went vegetarian last thursday and I'm going to experiment and see how I feel, if I feel healthier, exercise more easily, shit like that. I did this for a week before but that's not enough time for me to find out. I'll give it a month trial, and if I feel better overall then I will just stick with it. I already know ALL about vegetarian nutrition so I will have no problem with that stuff. I'll see how stuff goes. [editline]21st February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;34803194] And when I said that many Vegans have a tendency to act superior to animal-products consuming people. One example would be Onision (Greg) on youtube.[/QUOTE] I do kinda agree with you there.. When I meet a vegan they seem to think they are all superior because they don't eat ANY animal products (which I think is just not as healthy as being ovo-lacto vegetarian or just a regular omnivore) and they judge everyone they see. Of course, not ALL of them are like that, but a huge portion of vegans are indeed like that. Just go take a look at a veg*n forum and watch how vegans shit all over everyone while the regular vegetarian members are just cool with everything and aren't judgmental and stuff.
I don't have any problem with them. It's none of my business what someone else decides to eat.
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34804835]Well, I went vegetarian last thursday and I'm going to experiment and see how I feel, if I feel healthier, exercise more easily, shit like that. I did this for a week before but that's not enough time for me to find out. I'll give it a month trial, and if I feel better overall then I will just stick with it. I already know ALL about vegetarian nutrition so I will have no problem with that stuff. I'll see how stuff goes.[/QUOTE]Eliminating meat from your diet isn't going to magically make you feel and exercise better, it's all about how you manage your food, if you're eating shit-quality meat or overall have a poor diet of course you'll feel unhealthy.
My girlfriend and mother are vegitarians and they are fine; My mother has to prepare meat when she cooks at work so she is kind of desensitised to it, my girlfriend doesnt like touching meat but she has no problem with other people eating it. Never really met anyone that actually looks down on other people because they aren't vegitarian, and I have never met a vegan.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;34804969]Eliminating meat from your diet isn't going to magically make you feel and exercise better, it's all about how you manage your food, if you're eating shit-quality meat or overall have a poor diet of course you'll feel unhealthy.[/QUOTE] Some say eliminating meat from your diet gives you some type of boost in energy after a while. I'm going to experiment and find out, no harm in that. I already manage my food very well when I have meat included, and I know all about vegetarian nutrition too so I'll be fine.
I was a vegetarian for 3 years and while I found the experience to be easy (first world society allows it), I compared my intake to the basic dietary needs of humans and saw that I was off track. Limiting some meat in your diet is fine, especially unhealthy red meats like pork and beef, but potentially limiting your protein intake while maintaining a much higher carb intake can have real negative consequences and probably isn't a good choice for most people.
a bunch of my friends are vegetarians. They're pretty cool and they're alright when we cook meat at barbies just they don't have any good for them and all but I'll stick with meat.
[QUOTE=Simski;34799517]I'm not saying that they exist solely to be eaten. In all honesty I don't think there is any [I]real[/I] reason to the existence of anything, humans and animals exist because they can not because they're needed. What I'm saying is, there is no [I]real[/I] laws in nature that says that one species should not eat another. This is the core part of many animals survival. We're part of the food chain just as much as every other animal in existence.[/QUOTE] If there are no "real" (or natural) laws that say one species should eat another, then there are no laws that say that a more advanced form of life can't eat us, so you shouldn't be against that either. Appealing to natural laws to determine what humans should do wont work at all, that's why we have moral laws. [QUOTE=Simski;34799517]I think the world exists without purpose and without morals. No animal or man exists for a purpose, they exist because they survive. The world does not need any creature to exist, the creatures of the world need each other to exist. We survive, and many of us survive by relying on other animals. We don't need to, we want to, for our survival. Morals are a man-made concept and my morals are defined by doing what benefits humanity, while if having to hurt others for that goal, do it respectfully and never in unneccesarily sadistic ways.[/QUOTE] Of course morals are man-made, and if you define morals like that doesn't mean that another person should do it in the same way you do. Actually, they probably won't define morals in the same way you do, but you have to accept and respect them as long as they do not interfere with your moral interpretation of the world.
I have friends who are vegetarians and I really do not care, it's perfectly fine they don't eat meat. The only times I get annoyed is when one of them has to say something about the fact I or a friend am eating meat and they go "Oh are you enjoying your -Insert Animal Here-?" I typically just reply with, "Yes now shut up and let me eat." But god help me whenever they mention meat is murder I would much rather state "No this is murder." and beat them to death, I get it you're against it but let me enjoy my food.
[QUOTE=dogfood123;34805486]Some say eliminating meat from your diet gives you some type of boost in energy after a while. I'm going to experiment and find out, no harm in that. I already manage my food very well when I have meat included, and I know all about vegetarian nutrition too so I'll be fine.[/QUOTE] The whole energy boost thing might be a placebo effect. What I can say from my experience was that having a 50/50 or more green on you lunch and excersicing regularly gives you an energy boost and helps you maintain your sleeping routine. I've kept on with that life style for a couple of weeks, but for the time I've been on winter vacation I haven't excercised much or eaten healthy but the effects from the time I did still carry on: I can't stay up longer than 1 AM and I wake up at 8 AM no matter what.
I eat meat because if I didn't I wouldn't be a good weight lifter. Unless I ate an excessive amount of protein powders Lean meats of course, I don't like red meats
[QUOTE=matsta;34822468]If there are no "real" (or natural) laws that say one species should eat another, then there are no laws that say that a more advanced form of life can't eat us, so you shouldn't be against that either. [/QUOTE] I would be against it, because they would be trying to eat me. I would not say that according to the laws of the universe they shouldn't be allowed to eat me, I would say that according to me and the rest of mankind they would not be allowed to eat me. No animal wants to become another animals food, what determines your rank on the food chain is how good you are at preventing other animals from eating you. [QUOTE=matsta;34822468]Appealing to natural laws to determine what humans should do wont work at all, that's why we have moral laws.[/QUOTE] And my moral laws are those that best benefits mankind to work as a society. I do not have the same view of animals as our equals, and until they gain the same form of sentience as humans I never will. [QUOTE=matsta;34822468]Of course morals are man-made, and if you define morals like that doesn't mean that another person should do it in the same way you do. Actually, they probably won't define morals in the same way you do, but you have to accept and respect them as long as they do not interfere with your moral interpretation of the world.[/QUOTE] If they tell me I should not eat meat because it's immoral to eat other animals, then clearly they are interfering with my moral interpretation of the world. I do not protest against a vegetarian or a vegan who enjoys their food and does not complain that I don't share their eating habits. You eat what you like, and I'll eat what I like. However the ones who try to impose their view of eating animals as immoral, should be aware that their view of immoral is not the same as mine.
I don't really give a shit what other people eat as long as they let me eat what I want I let them eat what they want, I love bacon too much.
Vegetarians who claim that they're doing it for the "animal rights" are stupid. Almost every single organism on the face of the planet must kill other living things to survive, and humans are not an exception to this. When they act like predators in other countries just [I]don't exist[/I], it makes my blood boil.
[QUOTE=matsta;34797495] humane manner? have you actually seen slaughterhouses?[/QUOTE] Slaughterhouses have higher standards today than the videos that PETA show from the worst factories of the previous century.
I don't see the issue with forcing people not to eat what you don't want them to eat, we already do that with cannibalism. I would never force someone not to eat meat because i think it is a logical conclusion you have to come to on your own. You don't eat other humans because you know your suffering A, is equal to their suffering B. So if A == B you should understand that it is wrong, now we can stretch this further to something of another species, let's say dogs and cats(AMERICA). Now a lot of us have had a relationship with a dog or a cat in the past, we discovered that their suffering is most likely equal to our own therefore it is wrong to cause them suffering or 'farm' them. Now a vegetarian simply stretches this further to all sentient creatures on the planet, because they most likely all have the same capacity to suffer as us, therefore it is wrong to cause them suffering which is equal to your own, because if you have ever suffered, you know it SUCKS ASS.
[QUOTE=flyguy88;34836042]I don't see the issue with forcing people not to eat what you don't want them to eat, we already do that with cannibalism. I would never force someone not to eat meat because i think it is a logical conclusion you have to come to on your own. You don't eat other humans because you know your suffering A, is equal to their suffering B. So if A == B you should understand that it is wrong, now we can stretch this further to something of another species, let's say dogs and cats(AMERICA). Now a lot of us have had a relationship with a dog or a cat in the past, we discovered that their suffering is most likely equal to our own therefore it is wrong to cause them suffering or 'farm' them. Now a vegetarian simply stretches this further to all sentient creatures on the planet, because they most likely all have the same capacity to suffer as us, therefore it is wrong to cause them suffering which is equal to your own, because if you have ever suffered, you know it SUCKS ASS.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't have people forced to change their diet. You could only achieve this by a next generation of people, to rid of an addiction by not encouraging it in the first place. The idea that you would want to bring another sentient being into this world to be exposed to this suffering 'thing', that is another problem.
[QUOTE=Daemon;34837173]I wouldn't have people forced to change their diet. You could only achieve this by a next generation of people, to rid of an addiction by not encouraging it in the first place. The idea that you would want to bring another sentient being into this world to be exposed to this suffering 'thing', that is another problem.[/QUOTE] You are completely right. And I am strongly against pro-natalism.
Even so, what would we do with all the animals if we stopped using them for food?
[QUOTE=Simski;34844686]Even so, what would we do with all the animals if we stopped using them for food?[/QUOTE] Kill them off of course :v:
[QUOTE=Simski;34844686]Even so, what would we do with all the animals if we stopped using them for food?[/QUOTE] Does it even matter? Why is it so vitally important that we use animals?
[QUOTE=Robbobin;34845126]Does it even matter? Why is it so vitally important that we use animals?[/QUOTE] Because they taste good. As long as vegetarians or vegans don't try to force other people to not eat meat, I am ok with them.
[QUOTE=Robbobin;34845126]Does it even matter? Why is it so vitally important that we use animals?[/QUOTE] It matters, because is the alternatives to not raising animals for food anymore reasonable and humane than what we're doing now? What do you imagine we would do with the animals if we did not raise them to become food, and how would we manage it?
[QUOTE=Simski;34845705]It matters, because is the alternatives to not raising animals for food anymore reasonable and humane than what we're doing now? What do you imagine we would do with the animals if we did not raise them to become food, and how would we manage it?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you mean, but if you are talking about over population of species then sterilization is a option. Here is a paper on sterilization deer as a option and how one would go about it. [url]http://www.birdandhike.com/jlboone/papers/Deer/deer.htm[/url]
I'm okay with it, however it really grinds my gears whenever someone claims to be a vegetarian but still eats fish. How the fuck is a fish not an animal, and how the fuck is fishmeat not meat.
There are only 2 valid reasons I accept for vegan/vegetarianism Allergies and simply not liking the taste If people are worried about pain to animals then they should buy free range eggs, high welfare meats etc
I'm not going to tell you what to eat, that is neither something I want to do nor something I am allowed to do. However, I can (and do) not care for the idea of vegetarianism. You're missing out on a lot of good food by completely cutting out meat, and it's not as easy or uninvolved to remain healthy, and you're going to have problems when you're in a situation where you don't have many choices of what you can eat.
[QUOTE=flyguy88;34848338]I'm not sure what you mean, but if you are talking about over population of species then sterilization is a option. Here is a paper on sterilization deer as a option and how one would go about it. [url]http://www.birdandhike.com/jlboone/papers/Deer/deer.htm[/url][/QUOTE] I mean raising, breeding, feeding, keeping them safe from wildlife, a shelter against survival, and someone who will allow them to roam free on their land. Who would willingly be the provider of this, and how will they afford it if they can not profit from it?
[QUOTE=rivershark;34850680]I'm not going to tell you what to eat, that is neither something I want to do nor something I am allowed to do. [/QUOTE] That makes it sound as if you're in some sort of secretive cannibal society, If so what does human taste like?
vegetarians are a buncha pussies
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