• I find fashion impenetrable
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[img]http://dunhill.images.createthesoftware.com/products/390/390/36ce9b30-7a8e-4088-93f3-d12f5c254575.jpg[/img][img]http://www.uniqlo.co.uk/dynamic/eshop/product_images/thumbnail_cache/160x175/057326_44.jpg[/img] On the left is a yellow Dunlop cashmere jumper. It's £250. On the right is a yellow UNIQLO cashmere jumper. It normally retails at £70. Having tried on both jumpers I can safely say that there's not really that much of a difference between them. So why the price difference? Well UNIQLO is a mainstream clothes shop, targeted towards the average person on the street. Ok, so £70 for a jumper isn't exactly cheap, but it's not extortionate either - it's cashmere. It's a good quality jumper and fits well. Dunhill, on the other hand, is a "luxury men's boutique" and suffers from a phenomenon known as "prestige pricing". Basically, in order to appeal to rich people, they make their clothing (and other assorted items) ludicrously expensive in order to seem better somehow. There's probably not much of a difference between the production costs of a UNIQLO jumper (which is now on sale for about £30!) and a Dunlop jumper, but rich fashionistas will swoon over the price of Dunhill and seek it out. Now this is what I don't understand. Why is it that people seem to think because a certain item of clothing is more expensive, it's somehow better? This is a Gant peacoat: [img]http://houseoffraser.scene7.com/is/image/HOF/I_124625475_00_20090717[/img] It costs over £300. This is a Topman peacoat: [img]http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=13208469[/img] It's £70. I've met people who'd sneer if you wore the Topman peacoat but would befriend you if you wore the Gant one. I'm failing to see what's better about the more expensive one (admittedly, the buttons are nicer, but if you shopped around there's bound to be one with better buttons; I can't be bothered to search). And another thing: [img]http://www.whorange.net/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/christian_lacroix_spring_2008_cou_4.jpg[/img] Why do fashion houses insist on showcasing these ludicrous outfits? If a girl turned up to any normal person's house dressed like that, you'd quite correctly assume she was a nutter. But if she reveals it's LaCroix (I suppose that'd be bad, because they went bankrupt, so the looks now "outdated") then it's suddenly ok to wear it? Aargh! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for dressing snappily but why is there so much bullshit floating around in the fashion world?
just lie about where you buy your clothes, everyone else does who sneers at you for going to topman or uniqlo.
I think the thing about fashion shows is that many of them are intended to be more of a 'performance' (or at least Alexander McQueen thought so) to show off the designer's ideas and that kind of thing, rather than showing what will be the final product. It's more like a concept thing (like a concept car for example) which will eventually be made less extreme so it can be sold to people. As for the labels, I'm not sure. I always assumed that there was at least some kind of difference between the materials that the designer labels use and the high street (perhaps I'm wrong). I suppose people just like the idea of paying for a label, it's a status symbol as it were to show how much wealth you have.
[QUOTE=Splurgy][B]LaCroix[/B][/QUOTE] Obviously it's awesome. Also, personally I've never seen the point of having good looking clothes either. The point of clothes is to keep us warm and protect us. I can't see how wearing a slightly different material would affect this in any way really. But hey, it can't be helped, people are stupid.
[QUOTE=Croix;20340902]Obviously it's awesome. Also, personally I've never seen the point of having good looking clothes either. [/QUOTE] So basically you don't give a shit about your appearance?
[QUOTE=Croix;20340902]Obviously it's awesome. Also, personally I've never seen the point of having good looking clothes either. The point of clothes is to keep us warm and protect us. I can't see how wearing a slightly different material would affect this in any way really. But hey, it can't be helped, people are stupid.[/QUOTE] To make you look better. I like looking good. Argument refuted. Bye.
That and Timberland boots, I find them extremely ugly yet, they go for about 200-300€ (almost the same as dollars) and everyone has them. It becomes a fad.
Fashion does seem rediculous sometimes. I just got 3 pairs of jeans from Tesco (about £35), for less than the price of one pair at Next (£40). The thing is, I like them better! They look way cooler than the pair I was looking at in next. I believe in paying more where it counts, not just for a certain label. There's no point buying a shit t-shirt just because it's designer. I'd buy a t-shirt if I loved the design. Also, I read about a study where two groups of people were given wine and then had their brains monitored for the presence of enjoyment or pleasure. The two groups were given the same wine, but one group was told the bottle cost $50, the other $800 (I can't remember the exact figures). The study showed that even though the wine wasn't any better, the $800 group enjoyed the wine much more. It's just enjoying luxurious expensive items.
Anyway, anyone who is a dick to you because you didn't pay hundreds of dollars more for the same item of clothing with a different tag is quite obviously a fucking idiot and someone you don't want to associate with.
[QUOTE=Faren;20340975]Anyway, anyone who is a dick to you because you didn't pay hundreds of dollars more for the same item of clothing with a different tag is quite obviously a fucking idiot and someone you don't want to associate with.[/QUOTE] Or rich enough to make your wildest dreams come true.
Fuck clothes stores charging 50 bucks or more for a pair of jeans.. Whenever I want a jacket or pants I go to Value village or Goodwill. Always affordable and pre-broken in just for you.
Here is your typical fashionista: [img]http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/gok_wan_160408.jpg[/img] Gaybows for Gok people...
The worse is when they sell pants that are over a hundred dollars and have holes in them or big stains, or faded. What fucktard pays that much for defective jeans?
I waited with my friend (holding his bag and everything while he waited in the queue for the changing rooms) in Hollister for an hour and a bit so he could get some ripped jeans and a T-shirt. However, I did tolerate this, due to the fact that he knew where the fuck we were going and I did significantly less so.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;20341011]The worse is when they sell pants that are over a hundred dollars and have holes in them or big stains, or faded. What fucktard pays that much for defective jeans?[/QUOTE] I know! If I want my jeans dirty and torn I'll do it myself god damn it!
What freaks me out most is that as good as all the clothes are made in third-world countries. the cheaper ones and the shit-expensive ones
Jack Wills. When I see people wearing Jack Wills they just look like morons instead of people with lots of money.
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;20341047]What freaks me out most is that as good as all the clothes are made in third-world countries. the cheaper ones and the shit-expensive ones[/QUOTE] I read an article about people in really poor places where they basically live on a landfill, and pick out things from the trash and live off of it. Some of the kids said that they would love to have a job in a sweatshop. For some of them it's an opportunity for improvement in their lives, and anti-child labor activists' efforts may actually be preventing some people form bettering their lives. Not that all sweatshops are good, but it puts things into perspective.
I care about how I look, but I couldn't care less about fashion.
It's all about shopping around for the best value vs style. The Peacoats are a good example where the latter is good, but some things like shoes you just can't avoid paying $100~ for a really nice pair that stands out. You just need to find a style that works for you and have something that goes great with casual, going out and work, depending on where you're employed. So for me that might be a dressy pair of shoes, jeans (Go for colours other than blue, they can look a dozen times more respectable!) or black work pants (I prefer microfibre) and either a t-shirt for casual stuff, a short sleeve shirt for work and a short sleeve shirt with a t-shirt underneath, unbuttoned for going out. Depending on the style of clothes you get, it can work out to be really attention grabbing. That's also taking colour pairing into consideration which is also a big thing.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20341038]I know! If I want my jeans dirty and torn I'll do it myself god damn it![/QUOTE] I don't understand the image. Do they want us think of them? They look like dumb slobs who can't replace torn up jeans. I guess it's one thing if you're a Carpenter or something, that's to be expected you can't buy a new pair of pants each time you get a hole or a stain on them. But the fact of the matter is there are no 16 year old carpenters. [editline]06:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=b4nny;20341075]I read an article about people in really poor places where they basically live on a landfill, and pick out things from the trash and live off of it. Some of the kids said that they would love to have a job in a sweatshop. For some of them it's an opportunity for improvement in their lives, and anti-child labor activists' efforts may actually be preventing some people form bettering their lives. Not that all sweatshops are good, but it puts things into perspective.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I hear it's rough in Detroit.
Fashion and the concept of luxury goods are both very irrational ideas in society. And fashion shows are just dick-waving competitions between clothes designers.
Fuck that shit, go shop at Walmart.
[IMG]http://media.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/warrior_nerd.jpg[/IMG] Impenetrable fashion
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;20341086]I don't understand the image. Do they want us think of them? They look like dumb slobs who can't replace torn up jeans. I guess it's one thing if you're a Carpenter or something, that's to be expected you can't buy a new pair of pants each time you get a hole or a stain on them. But the fact of the matter is there are no 16 year old carpenters. [editline]06:58AM[/editline] Yeah, I hear it's rough in Detroit.[/QUOTE] personally, i shop at aeropostale and frankly, for a name brand the stuff is cheap. the jeans i like have very few rips, but i think it looks alright. but i agree with you, the ones where you can see the person's whole leg are just stupid. edit: im expecting rainbows from the trogolodytes who don't know what good looking clothing is.
Rated rainbow. I still stand by the concept that you should not purchase items that are already damaged. [editline]07:12AM[/editline] It's like buying a bag of Apples with bites taken out of them already.
[QUOTE=WaLLy3K;20341083]It's all about shopping around for the best value vs style. The Peacoats are a good example where the latter is good, but some things like shoes you just can't avoid paying $100~ for a really nice pair that stands out. You just need to find a style that works for you and have something that goes great with casual, going out and work, depending on where you're employed. So for me that might be a dressy pair of shoes, jeans (Go for colours other than blue, they can look a dozen times more respectable!) or black work pants (I prefer microfibre) and either a t-shirt for casual stuff, a short sleeve shirt for work and a short sleeve shirt with a t-shirt underneath, unbuttoned for going out. Depending on the style of clothes you get, it can work out to be really attention grabbing. That's also taking colour pairing into consideration which is also a big thing.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, it's easy to look good cheaply. I can't get enough of vintage fashion shops in Camden - they were selling these awesome old timey overcoats for like £10 there just the other day! It's just stupid how much importance is placed on labels these days.
Those cloths cost too much for me.
Everyone was into this crap when I was at school. I despised it, these guys walk around in pink shirts smelling like exotic fruits and somehow women like this.
[QUOTE=decilling;20341264]Everyone was into this crap when I was at school. I despised it, these guys walk around in pink shirts smelling like exotic fruits and somehow women like this.[/QUOTE] Women like everything that you don't like. Always.
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