• I found a secret message inside a watch, dug up on a WWII battlefield in Normandy.
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I posted this before in the metal detecting thread but I think more people might want to see this. Maybe you guys can help me out even. Does anyone here know how to read a really, REALLY vague and faded note? Anyway, here's how I found it; I went road tripping with my girlfriend in Normandy. I brought my metal detector because I knew about a small patch of forest where there was supposed to be a battle during WWII. I'm not going into the details of where this place is for obvious reasons. I have family living near the spot and we stayed there for a couple of days. I did some research of the surrounding area, maybe there were fights nearby. Luckily there were some interesting events. When we arrived we pitched our tents, grabbed our gear and drove to the spot. We immediately hit some great signals. The spot was packed of stuff (it still is, we dug about 3 days in total) So here are the finds; These are a part of the finds, I have tons more shell casings, buttons and shrapnell but I wanted to show you guys the coolest stuff. Left side shell casings are either German Mauser k98 shells or MG shells (use the same ammo). Next and beneath them are a few pistol rounds, these are British (that's all I know for now). All the other shells and full rounds (1 clip) are British Lee Enfield rounds. To the right of the coins is a brass oil tube for cleaning a Lee Enfield rifle. Next to that one is a clip with cleaned rounds. [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/1.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/4.png[/IMG] All of the buttons are from German uniforms, the silver one is most certainly an officers button. [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/2.png[/IMG] The coins are french except for one; that's a 1937 Penny. The gold coins are dated 1922 and 1923 and are some kind of token worht 1 Frank. The silver one is a 1 Frank coin from 1943. Also some kind of small rifleman badge/pin (I haven't found the same one yet when searching the internet). [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/3.png[/IMG] Here's is a wristwatch I found and it's the most exciting find IMO, I wanted to open it to see the inner workings and maybe to find a brand name. What I got was way more exciting though. A folded piece of paper. I later unfolded it and there's some writing visible on it. The ink is really faded though so I might need a black light to read the text. [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/watchnote.png[/IMG] [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/5.png[/IMG] So yeah pretty exciting stuff!
YOU GOT MY HOPES UP THAT YOU'D TAKEN IT AND HAD IT DECIPHERED
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51044870]YOU GOT MY HOPES UP THAT YOU'D TAKEN IT AND HAD IT DECIPHERED[/QUOTE] I'm working on it, I'm in contact with someone at a local museum. Just be patient!
No pictures of the note?
You unfolded it but didn't take a photo? :v: Gonna guess it might be a "if you find this tell my parents I loved them" note or something of that caliber.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51048047]You unfolded it but didn't take a photo? :v: Gonna guess it might be a "if you find this tell my parents I loved them" note or something of that caliber.[/QUOTE] Don't be foolish. This is the note that would've changed the war. It's Order 191 all over again!
[QUOTE=OvB;51047934]No pictures of the note?[/QUOTE] Ill take a picture of it, the writing is really vague, I couldn't even make it better with photoshpp
Id buy you a blacklight so I could see what that note says. Pretty exciting finds. Must be eery to hold the belongings to someone whos grave might still be on that beach.
Here it is, you can barely make out some words; [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/note.png[/t]
It clearly says "bush did 9/11"
All I see is one four character word/number. The rest seems empty.
[QUOTE=pedrus24;51049093]All I see is one four character word/number. The rest seems empty.[/QUOTE] It isn't though, it's just really hard to see
thats bog paper mate
[QUOTE=kirederf7;51049095]It isn't though, it's just really hard to see[/QUOTE] How long does it look to be?
[QUOTE=kirederf7;51049046]Here it is, you can barely make out some words; [t]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/note.png[/t][/QUOTE] I took it to the lab and did some analysis [img]http://i.imgur.com/LtWkXLj.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;51049518]I took it to the lab and did some analysis [img]http://i.imgur.com/LtWkXLj.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Hey what's that [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34721652/%27funny%27pics/zoomin.jpg[/IMG]
Now watch him spent time and money on a blank piece of paper :v:
Try not to handle it too much, the oil from your skin could interfere with some of the chemical processes available to decipher it. It will probably cost though. I'd be willing to chip in, no doubt it will be of sentimental value to somebody. Would be really nice to repatriate the letter to the person it was intended for, or even their family.
Yeah if there's a financial barrier I'd be happy to help cover the cost. I'm really curious about this.
I bet they could scan it for traces of graphite or ink.
Damn, really curious what it says.
'Be sure to drink your Ovaltine'
[QUOTE=Rent-a-BoxHouse;51053893]'Be sure to drink your Ovaltine'[/QUOTE] A crummy commercial? Son of a bitch!
I hope everything can be done without spending to much money, thanks for the support though everyone!
This is really interesting. Best of luck! And as one user said before, dont touch it without gloves. Skin Oil can disrupt some Chemical analysis processes and it accelerates degrading of the material.
[QUOTE=YuriNikolai;51055917]This is really interesting. Best of luck! And as one user said before, dont touch it without gloves. Skin Oil can disrupt some Chemical analysis processes and it accelerates degrading of the material.[/QUOTE] With regard to degradation it's less skin oil and more other stuff that can be stuck to your skin like grease from foods. Skin oil is only moderately acidic and it doesn't really affect paper. It can definitely fuck with chemical analysis, however. A lot of museums handle their items bare handed, though. They use very powerful soap before handling anything. Gloves, even properly fitting, fuck with tactile sense and can actually lead to unintentional damage to an item. They are also able to pick up dirt and other contaminants from the environment and pass those on to the item. For something as delicate as this paper I would personally not use gloves, but I'd only handle it by the edges and I'd keep it unfolded instead of folding it back over and over again. Kirederf knows all of this though I think.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51055947]With regard to degradation it's less skin oil and more other stuff that can be stuck to your skin like grease from foods. Skin oil is only moderately acidic and it doesn't really affect paper. It can definitely fuck with chemical analysis, however. A lot of museums handle their items bare handed, though. They use very powerful soap before handling anything. Gloves, even properly fitting, fuck with tactile sense and can actually lead to unintentional damage to an item. They are also able to pick up dirt and other contaminants from the environment and pass those on to the item. For something as delicate as this paper I would personally not use gloves, but I'd only handle it by the edges and I'd keep it unfolded instead of folding it back over and over again. Kirederf knows all of this though I think.[/QUOTE] Oh, that's actually very interesting. Thanks for correcting me!
[QUOTE=kirederf7;51044856] All of the buttons are from German uniforms, the silver one is most certainly an officers button. [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/49828537/ww2/Juli16Vim/2.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] I'm no expert on the subject, but the third button looks a bit like Polish ones, see this: [IMG]http://knefle.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Guziki_historyczne_wzor_1928_czarne.jpg[/IMG]
Yeah it is, the german interbellum eagle looks very similar. I have been wondering if it might be Polish because there were some Polish soldier fighting in the region. Thanks! [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;51055947]With regard to degradation it's less skin oil and more other stuff that can be stuck to your skin like grease from foods. Skin oil is only moderately acidic and it doesn't really affect paper. It can definitely fuck with chemical analysis, however. A lot of museums handle their items bare handed, though. They use very powerful soap before handling anything. Gloves, even properly fitting, fuck with tactile sense and can actually lead to unintentional damage to an item. They are also able to pick up dirt and other contaminants from the environment and pass those on to the item. For something as delicate as this paper I would personally not use gloves, but I'd only handle it by the edges and I'd keep it unfolded instead of folding it back over and over again. Kirederf knows all of this though I think.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know how to handle old things by now, but it's still cool to see everyone helping out!
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