• Corruption in Gaming Journalism Discussion V2 - Back from the dead!
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[IMG]http://attackongaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/gamergate-logo-tv-broked.jpg[/IMG] Welcome to the Corruption in Gaming Journalism thread V2! Here is the place to talk all about ethics in gaming journalism, and things closely related. Gamergate statement (from KiA on reddit) : [quote]We believe that the current standard of ethics in the gaming industry is unhealthy to itself, and to gamers. We have taken notice to various conflicts of interest, and wish to address these in hopes that the gaming industry can change, in order to retain the trust of its concerned consumers. We believe gaming is an inclusive place, and wish to welcome all who want to take part in an amazing hobby. We welcome artistic freedom and equal opportunities for creators and creations. We condemn censorship, exclusion, harassment, and abuse.[/quote] [B]What is Gamergate?[/B] [video=youtube;ipcWm4B3EU4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipcWm4B3EU4[/video] [B]Some general guidelines for discussion:[/B] - Verify rumors before posting them! - Try to use archive links for sites, don't give them ad revenue - Debate and discuss with an open mind. [quote=adnzzzzZ]Gaming websites you can and should support: [URL]http://gematsu.com/[/URL] [URL="http://www.geimaku.com/"]www.geimaku.com[/URL] [URL]http://www.siliconera.com/[/URL] [URL]http://indiejuice.tv/[/URL] [URL="http://www.incgamers.com/"]www.incgamers.com[/URL] [URL]http://www.gamerheadlines.com/[/URL] [URL]http://vidya.moe/[/URL] [URL]http://techraptor.net/[/URL] [URL]http://gamesnosh.com/[/URL] [URL]http://www.joystiq.com/[/URL] [URL]http://www.gamerevolution.com/[/URL] [URL]http://nichegamer.net/[/URL] [URL="http://operationrainfall.com/"]http://operationrainfall.com[/URL] [URL]http://www.bluesnews.com/[/URL] [URL]http://www.gatheryourparty.com/[/URL] A good way to fight bad journalism is by supporting good journalism.[/quote] Previous thread : [URL]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1421478[/URL] Still updating thread as I post this, will be completed with more information soon. Anything else you feel necessary to add to the OP just post below.
Ah, you quick dick. I was just about to.
Well, if Gamergate keeps up then it looks like we're going to start revving up those version numbers soon enough.
What happened yesterday: 8chan got its domain stolen after mass false claims from AGG, which caused mass celebration among the AGG crowd for censoring stuff, only for Frederick to transfer everything to the safer 8ch address, and Frederick managed to get his original domain back too at the end of the day. [URL="http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2s9z49/8chanco_domain_has_been_returned_to_hotweels/"]The AGG salt meter is predictably off the fucking charts now[/URL] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7QsXHsIIAE2LzG.jpg[/IMG] [I]Pictured: Frederick Brennan after getting his domain back.[/I]
I know I didn’t post much in the past thread but I wanted to thank you guys for helping me become aware of the real issue at hand. I will continue to follow this subject until the very end.
I think one of the reasons why TB was so mad is because some people against GG are spewing some hate at his wife. [img]http://i.imgur.com/3iqM7SM.png[/img]
She's crashing their shares, with no survivors.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/YAuGPg2.jpg[/img] this is something not to take likely. Shit I meant lite-ly. >.<
gaymer gays time for ethics in game industry episode 5, the sjw strikes back
They struck back, and it whiffed like a 95% chance shot in XCOM and missing. [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] And they're in ironman mode, they don't get a redo.
I was wondering when a version 2 would arrive. I didnt notice just how damn big the first thread was. Have for the most part just been lurking the thread unless i have something decent to add in. I always worry im miss understanding something important about this whole thing, even if i'm a supporter of the simple concept of "not being a cunt" to people. But hey, Rise from your grave, once more and all that. Altered Beast style. So that Baphomet board on 8chan might be the reason for Anti-GG to be so irritated as of late, as well as 8chan getting shot down for a while. /GG/ has been getting the usual blame for everything even though Baphomet have (by the looks) stated they are really there to take the piss out of everything, a bit like old "for the lulz" /b/ board. At least thats the impression i got when i gave that board a quick look to see what people where on about. I'm not entirely sure about that boards "culture" but i gathered they found quite a gold mine of people to piss off.
Nathan Grayson being asked to be interviewed for the GG book. Not sure if this was posted in the old thread [img]http://i.imgur.com/sAXdCuZ.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/S5XPnP2.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/QgZdHHI.png[/img]
[B]Edited:[/B] I was late.
Anti-Gamers still making themselves look stupid ,business as usual.
what a horrifying blow to milo And n [editline]13th January 2015[/editline] [img]http://i.imgur.com/YNbv3dw.png[/img] fuckin wrekt
Isn't Milo the guy who really hates gamers? Why would he write a book about gamergate?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46925938]Isn't Milo the guy who really hates gamers? Why would he write a book about gamergate?[/QUOTE] He didn't hate them but never thought highly of them. He's viewpoints changed because of Gamergate.
Glad to see this thread back. Let's continue fighting the good fight people :)
hes now a gamer himself, he really loves postal 2 and counter strike hes doing a AMA right now if you want to ask him a question [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2sbw6j/im_milo_and_this_is_my_gamergate_book_ama/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Highwind017;46925591]I was wondering when a version 2 would arrive. I didnt notice just how damn big the first thread was. Have for the most part just been lurking the thread unless i have something decent to add in. I always worry im miss understanding something important about this whole thing, even if i'm a supporter of the simple concept of "not being a cunt" to people. But hey, Rise from your grave, once more and all that. Altered Beast style. So that Baphomet board on 8chan might be the reason for Anti-GG to be so irritated as of late, as well as 8chan getting shot down for a while. /GG/ has been getting the usual blame for everything even though Baphomet have (by the looks) stated they are really there to take the piss out of everything, a bit like old "for the lulz" /b/ board. At least thats the impression i got when i gave that board a quick look to see what people where on about. I'm not entirely sure about that boards "culture" but i gathered they found quite a gold mine of people to piss off.[/QUOTE] /baphomet/ is more like 7chan's /i/ than any version of /b/.
[QUOTE=Swilly;46925968]He didn't hate them but never thought highly of them. He's viewpoints changed because of Gamergate.[/QUOTE] Namely, from "What a bunch of useless nerds" to "What a bunch of nerds I can use to attack people I hate"
[QUOTE=Swilly;46925968]He didn't hate them but never thought highly of them. He's viewpoints changed because of Gamergate.[/QUOTE] he need's to watch JOJO, then play some street fighter. I think he would get part of the, "gamer" demographic. I can't say what he needs to play to understand transsexuals.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;46926025]Namely, from "What a bunch of useless nerds" to "What a bunch of nerds I can use to attack people I hate"[/QUOTE] He's a dick, but he's been pretty transparent about everything, which is more than a lot of people involved in this scandal can say. Grayson's immediate actions after this whole debacle consisted of making his twitter private and refusing to talk to anyone about anything. Milo got confronted about his views on trans individuals and at least he fucking owned up to his words and actions, even if he's woefully wrong about everything. Even Tortilo had enough of a backbone to talk to TB and consumers, even if he did a lot of hand wringing and blame shifting.
[QUOTE=Swilly;46925968]He didn't hate them but never thought highly of them. He's viewpoints changed because of Gamergate.[/QUOTE] uhhhhh no he thought they were more or less human garbage if you actually read his articles. They were at least as bad as the "Gamers are dead" posts, if not worse. Did his viewpoints change because he admitted publically that he was wrong in the past and that video games and the culture that surrounds them are perfectly valid, or because he got a chance to ride the bandwagon going full-tilt into a crowd of liberal SJW's? [QUOTE=Wii60;46926017]hes now a gamer himself, he really loves postal 2 and counter strike hes doing a AMA right now if you want to ask him a question [URL]http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2sbw6j/im_milo_and_this_is_my_gamergate_book_ama/[/URL][/QUOTE] It's nice (and super convenient!) that he likes those games now and I don't mean to doubt his motives but has he ever walked back the several boneheaded articles he has written about video gamers in the past? Are we going to give this journalist a an easy pass just because he happens to support our "side" of a hot scandal? Personally I'm still dubious.
I don't trust Milo any more than I trust the people he is against.
[QUOTE=1legmidget;46926158]He's a dick, but he's been pretty transparent about everything, which is more than a lot of people involved in this scandal can say.[/QUOTE] He's transparent with his politics because thats his forte, he is an e-pundit. I personally haven't seen any transparency regarding his conversion from being incredibly toxic towards games and gamer culture to embracing it. If you have anything please post it. Everything I've heard is second-hand "Oh yeah he apologized and did a Twitch stream so lets ignore the paragraphs upon paragraphs of shit-talking he did", because it would be inconvenient.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46926243]He's transparent with his politics because thats his forte, he is an e-pundit. I personally haven't seen any transparency regarding his conversion from being incredibly toxic towards games and gamer culture to embracing it. If you have anything please post it. Everything I've heard is second-hand "Oh yeah he apologized and did a Twitch stream so lets ignore the paragraphs upon paragraphs of shit-talking he did", because it would be inconvenient.[/QUOTE] If he genuinely changed his view on gaming I don't think we should give him shit for his past opinions. I'd do the same thing for an ex-AGG supporter who ends up supporting GG.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46926243]He's transparent with his politics because thats his forte, he is an e-pundit. I personally haven't seen any transparency regarding his conversion from being incredibly toxic towards games and gamer culture to embracing it. If you have anything please post it. Everything I've heard is second-hand "Oh yeah he apologized and did a Twitch stream so lets ignore the paragraphs upon paragraphs of shit-talking he did", because it would be inconvenient.[/QUOTE] Just a thought, maybe some people are redeemable. Besides if he tried to do a fast one on us we'd drop him as fast as we did King Of Pol. He's seemed pretty genuine about his apology and unlike the SJWs hasn't been saying hypocritical things to contradict his apology. I'm not going to call him disingenuous until I see evidence he is.
[QUOTE=_Axel;46926292]If he genuinely changed his view on gaming I don't think we should give him shit for his past opinions. I'd do the same thing for an ex-AGG supporter who ends up supporting GG.[/QUOTE] The problem is it's impossible to know if he genuinely changed his view on gaming. I'm not saying he still fucking hates gamers and video gamers but I, personally, think atleast some degree of that exists. Like okay, he likes Portal and Counter Strike. I have absolutely no reason to doubt that he is being sincere when he says this. Frankly the words he uses to describe games he plays for the first time make it seem like he really does enjoy them for what they are. But I'm not going to so easily ignore the past like he wants other people to by seemingly not commenting on it. We have to take him for the sum of his parts, as it were. He is someone who wrote severely disparaging words about games and gamers on a conservative website then almost overnight decided that video games are cool and gamers are a great community who need support in their fight against the outsider leftists. I don't think he is going to go back to shit-talking gamers, and I think he legitimately has fun with games. But I also believe he has an ulterior motive and is riding out Gamergate as long as he possibly can because the targets for pro-GG happen to be the targets of Breitbart and conservatism et al.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;46926243]He's transparent with his politics because thats his forte, he is an e-pundit. I personally haven't seen any transparency regarding his conversion from being incredibly toxic towards games and gamer culture to embracing it. If you have anything please post it. Everything I've heard is second-hand "Oh yeah he apologized and did a Twitch stream so lets ignore the paragraphs upon paragraphs of shit-talking he did", because it would be inconvenient.[/QUOTE] It comes up ALL the time, I'm not sure if you're expecting him to write an essay about it. He got interested in gamergate, he started playing video games and he changed his mind. I'm not saying you should believe anything you hear but giving people the benefit of the doubt is a good rule of thumb, and I've yet to see him say anything that makes me suspect he's faking it. I'm not sure why I should care either, being a journalist is his job and the help he gave us is tangible and pretty fucking huge, it's not just idle talk. Meanwhile you've got people getting a salary from spending the whole fucking day on twitter begging for patreon money.
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