• 9/11
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Kopimi wanted to know why WTC 7 went down a while back, I pretty much explained it in the most excruciating detail to him and he seemed to think it was a good answer. If Snapster responds, I'll do it again, but i'm not going to waste my time.
Looks like its coming in again.. yup, here it is! [url]http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842[/url] WHY would they demolish WTC 7? What these theories [B]never[/B] come up with is a convincing reason as to why the government would bother to do this.
[QUOTE=Snapster;35707327] Pentagon; Where are the pieces of the jetliner that crashed into the building? There is no way that the impact could disintegrate into nothing (There was some Debris but not enough for a boeing 757) . After every plane crash around the world there was never had most to all the pieces disintegrate into thin air. There was about 8600 remaining gallons of fuel in the plane, and there was not/close to any smoke/fire damage to any part of the building, the plane also doesn't even fit in the hole that was created by what ever it was. The dive into the building that is also level with the ground is inpossible because it would have taken way more G's than a airplane can take. There was also NO bodies found at the crash site. [/QUOTE] This explains it pretty well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8[/media]
In my opinion, in terms of likeliness: 1) 9/11 was carried out by Muslim Terrorists 2) 9/11 was carried out by Muslim Terrorists, the US government had knowledge of it and chose not to act 3) Planes where crashed by the US government Total batshit insane bullshit that isn't even possible) Controlled demolition, missiles, giant space laser etc Number one is the most likely, number 2 and 3 are possible, but it is very very unlikely. Every other "theory" is complete bullshit. Rigging an entire tower to demolish in a controlled fashion take months of preparation and tonnes of explosives, you'd expect someone to see it. Missiles are bullshit, so is a giant space laser.
Look up "Operation Northwoods" I am not saying 9 / 11 was an inside job, I am somewhat on the fence about it. Operation Northwoods will show you however that the American Government are capable of plotting such acts.
I realized today that if the Pearl Harbor attacks had happened in this day and age, there would be all sorts of people claiming conspiracy.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35750464]Look up "Operation Northwoods" I am not saying 9 / 11 was an inside job, I am somewhat on the fence about it. Operation Northwoods will show you however that the American Government are capable of plotting such acts.[/QUOTE] The government of fucking India could do the same to their own building. I could go and kill my neighbor, does that mean I probably did it if my neighbor is found dead? [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=fenwick;35750482]I realized today that if the Pearl Harbor attacks had happened in this day and age, there would be all sorts of people claiming conspiracy.[/QUOTE] People still say Pearl Harbor was caused by the government to this day.
[QUOTE=fenwick;35750482]I realized today that if the Pearl Harbor attacks had happened in this day and age, there would be all sorts of people claiming conspiracy.[/QUOTE] People are claiming it retroactively.
[QUOTE=Snapster;35707327]This is a subject that I'm both ways on, more of the government took part in somewhat of this day. There was many things that occured that day that seemed the government did take part in it. Lets start off by Silverstein files 2 insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, which would have a potential payout of $7.1billion dollars, even though the towers required a $200 million in renovations and improvements. Silverstein made a huge profit from the attacks on the towers by 'terrorism'. [/QUOTE] Funny because they had the insurance since 1993 which is shown by the fact insurers shelled out 510 million dollars afterwards. The insurance is fucking cheap as well since before 911 almost all terrorist attacks ended with a low loss of life, terrorism coverage was almost forgotten about and always done. [QUOTE=Snapster;35707327]WTC 7 Did fall from explosives, because the building was across the street from the towers and reported fell from fires. WTC 7 had mayor Giuliani's emergency command center, which had bullet/bomb resistant windows, and independent, secure air and water supply. The building was 100% steel frame building, no steel building have ever fell from a fire. On May 4, 1988 a fire erupted in a 62 story LA skyscraper which large flames jutted out of the building during the blaze, the fire gutted floors from 12-16. Even though the total burnout of 4 and 1/2 floors, there was no damage to the main structure of the building. There is no way that a fire could take down that building during 9/11 that the commission report reported.[/QUOTE] This is the first time a steel building falls from fire, this is also the first time a steel building has had a god fucking damn passenger plane fly into it. This is the first time the steel building had its lateral supports clipped off by said plane. This is the first time a building was left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. This is the first time a building had a [B]FORTY[/B] story load pressing down on the damaged supports which left a [B]TWENTY[/B] story gash. Jesus Christ.
I think this was perpetrated by Muslim Extremists, But as in Pearl Harbour. The government decided to do nothing about it. Why ? Because of the Destablised state of the middle East : Lets face it, The US's Principle mission in the middle east is to protect Oil : The People of the US wouldn't have supported the invasion of Iraq or Afganistan without 9/11, It may seem insane to claim a government would kill there own people, but i don't think it can be dismissed as a posibility, as that would be to easy.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35750783] This is the first time a steel building falls from fire, this is also the first time a steel building has had a god fucking damn passenger plane fly into it. This is the first time the steel building had its lateral supports clipped off by said plane. This is the first time a building was left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. This is the first time a building had a [B]FORTY[/B] story load pressing down on the damaged supports which left a [B]TWENTY[/B] story gash. Jesus Christ.[/QUOTE] Not to defend him but WTC 7 was the one that got destroyed by fires and falling debris from the Twin Towers. It didn't get hit by a plane.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35750654]The government of fucking India could do the same to their own building. I could go and kill my neighbor, does that mean I probably did it if my neighbor is found dead?[ [editline]28th April 2012[/editline][/QUOTE] I am not saying Operation Northwoods proves the Government did 9/11. All I was saying is that they have planned similar events in the past. Same with their excuse to go to Vietnam, that eventually came out and the reason was a fabricated one. The Government are just humans same as the rest of us. Humans can be evil, especially when there is potential financial gain.
All the evidence points towards the US government having their guard down. It's not that hard to believe. There's no conspiracy here, the US government are just morons.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35750715]People are claiming it retroactively.[/QUOTE] Retroactively? All claims about historic events are necessarily made after they occurred.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35690790]Your post is illegible. I don't have a clue what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] The US government knowingly provoked the attack. The motives made by the terrorists were made clear well before the 9/11 attacks, and the credibility of terrorist groups in carrying out their threats had been well established. It can be well assumed that if you hit a bee hive with a baseball bat, you want to get stung. It can well be assumed that if you start getting involved in an area as unstable and violent as the Middle East, that it is only a matter of time before a few attempt revenge.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35751101]I am not saying Operation Northwoods proves the Government did 9/11. All I was saying is that they have planned similar events in the past. Same with their excuse to go to Vietnam, that eventually came out and the reason was a fabricated one. The Government are just humans same as the rest of us. Humans can be evil, especially when there is potential financial gain.[/QUOTE] Technically the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a case of bad radar and panic rather than a staged attack. And as has been pointed out several times: there was much more, and more certain, loss than gain from those attacks. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Unfrozen;35751419]Retroactively? All claims about historic events are necessarily made after they occurred.[/QUOTE] What I mean is, he said that if Pearl Harbor happened nowadays people would claim it was staged, I'm saying that people now are.
[QUOTE=jman6495;35750869]I think this was perpetrated by Muslim Extremists, But as in Pearl Harbour. The government decided to do nothing about it. Why ? Because of the Destablised state of the middle East : Lets face it, The US's Principle mission in the middle east is to protect Oil : The People of the US wouldn't have supported the invasion of Iraq or Afganistan without 9/11, It may seem insane to claim a government would kill there own people, but i don't think it can be dismissed as a posibility, as that would be to easy.[/QUOTE] If it was over oil than why have the oil exports from the middle east only dropped since the war began. Also, there were plenty of things to declare war over, like the tons of attacks before 9/11. Flying plane into a building with thousands of people is stupidly over doing it.
Why do people act like WTC 7 is such a huge mystery? [t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/wtc7l.JPG[/t] Large sections of the North Tower facade scooped out a huge part of the building and caused fires which were further fueled by diesel generators that were on several of those floors. One section of WTC 7 collapsed and not long after the rest of it collapsed as well. It wasn't a sudden detonation and it didn't cause 'freefall speed' or whatever deluded thing people believe. Ironically enough those Generators were there for the Emergency Command Center. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=asteroidrules;35707385] That covers the debris, as for the bodies: do you know what happens to a human body when it's impacted at terminal velocity? Or when it's exposed to temperatures that high?[/QUOTE] I have pictures of the bodies from the Pentagon crash if he wants to see them. But I'm sure he doesn't care people really died. I also have hundreds of rare images from 9-11. Some really graphic shit. I know people who were there. Port Authority and regular guys, and some people who didn't make it out. So far none of them have been convinced it's anything dark or sinister like a conspiracy people want to believe. Nothing that happened that day is a 'smoking gun' for a complex and ridiculous conspiracy. This entire thing is only made worse by the fact my friends are harassed and tormented by Truthers and the like. They all have serious emotional trauma, Truthers are insensitive to the fact that people died that day and other people witnessed them die in horrific ways.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35752481]I don't see where you are getting at. That the bodies of from the Pentagon are staged or fake or something or not consistent with that kind of crash or that they don't exist or something or what? Because if that's the case you don't even want to play that game with me. Because I can provide over six dozen examples of charred and horribly disfigured bodies from airplane accidents. I also have hundreds of rare images from 9-11. Some really graphic shit. I know people who were there. Port Authority and regular guys, and some people who didn't make it out. So far none of them have been convinced it's anything dark or sinister like a conspiracy people want to believe. Nothing that happened that day is a 'smoking gun' for a complex and ridiculous conspiracy. This entire thing is only made worse by the fact my friends are harassed and tormented by Truthers and the like. They all have serious emotional trauma, Truthers are insensitive to the fact that people died that day and other people witnessed them die in horrific ways.[/QUOTE] Not where I was going with it at all. I'm not a truther. I was just pointing out plenty of the bodies would be damaged and disfigured beyond belief. My sincerest sympathies to you and your friends.
Yeah, woah. Sorry. I was confused. Because I didn't see exactly how you composed those quotes. I see now you were referring to the lack of bodies from the Pentagon because the Truther (Snapster) was questioning why there were none. I revised my post and I really do apologize without reservation, I didn't read it properly. Also the part after where I start with "I also have hundreds etc." wasn't directed at you. It was just a general statement and I put a space in my revised post so hopefully you weren't too offended, I didn't mean to direct any sort of hostilities. But to bring it back to topic, bodies from the Pentagon exist. I have pictures. They aren't even that hard to find. Graphic Content: Bodies from the Pentagon. [url]http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/moussaoui/P200045_1.jpg[/url] [url]http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/moussaoui/P200047_1.jpg[/url] [url]http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/moussaoui/P200048_1.jpg[/url] [url]http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/photos/docs/moussaoui/P200042_1.jpg[/url] The funniest thing is he quoted this exact website as evidence for his claims, including his claim there were no bodies at the Pentagon and right there on the site they have the pictures. I still like to believe most Truthers are just misguided or don't entirely understand. For example, they always say that people said there were sounds of explosions outside and in the lobby. But what they don't know is that when Jumpers land they sound like explosions and they literally shake/vibrate through the ground. It's hard to explain but my friend was there and the entire experience with the Jumpers has fucked him up. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] Here is a video, there is quite a bit of WTC 7 footage and dialog between Firefighters, Command and the News. WTC 7 was engulfed in fire over almost every floor of the 44 story complex. They had no water to put it out and it was decided that because the building was creaking and sagging in certain areas that they didn't need to kill more Firefighters that day and pulled the out. This is where the famous "Pull it" comment came from. The building was already evacuated so it was the right decision to make, they didn't have water or pressure from the hydrants after the North and South Tower collapse to fight it anyway. They eventually had to run lines all the way to the river to fight the fires that were left over. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73PbUgXhoIU&feature=relmfu[/media] 10:57 and even more at 13:18 to the end of the video. It was obvious to most people that the fires in WTC 7 were out of control and were not going to be put out, especially after the massive loss of life and equipment and the logistics of trying to put it out in an atmosphere of thick smoke, dust and destruction. When it collapsed it was not a surprise. The building had been burning for eight hours.
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think I saw something where the government had people following the people that were going to hijack the planes until just minutes before they got on the 4 flights that were hijacked. They could have prevented it, but chose not to. I don't think they planned this, but I don't think they were totally caught off guard with it.
The whole 9/11 shit is ridiculous, I mean, The US nuked Japan, yet they keep bringing up 9/11. Which one was worse? I'm pretty sure Japan endured a lot more shit.
[QUOTE=TGKhaotik;35753392]The whole 9/11 shit is ridiculous, I mean, The US nuked Japan, yet they keep bringing up 9/11. Which one was worse? I'm pretty sure Japan endured a lot more shit.[/QUOTE] Eh, what? What does that have to do with anything?
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35753432]Eh, what? What does that have to do with anything?[/QUOTE] The US makes such a big deal over 911, yet they killed more innocent people than the terrorists of 9/11, and no i didn't read any of the other posts in this thread.
[QUOTE=jman6495;35750869]I think this was perpetrated by Muslim Extremists, But as in Pearl Harbour. The government decided to do nothing about it. Why ? Because of the Destablised state of the middle East : Lets face it, The US's Principle mission in the middle east is to protect Oil : The People of the US wouldn't have supported the invasion of Iraq or Afganistan without 9/11, It may seem insane to claim a government would kill there own people, but i don't think it can be dismissed as a posibility, as that would be to easy.[/QUOTE] 1. You have zero proof that the government knew anything about this. 2. How did 9/11 accelerate or assist in allowing the U.S. to invade Iraq? The invasion of Afghanistan was caused by 9/11 because the Taliban was sheltering Bin Laden, but Afghanistan has no resources besides lithium, and all lithium mining contracts have gone to Japan. 3. It might be insane to claim that there's in invisible purple elephant in the sky right now, but it can't be dismissed as a possibility! [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35751101]I am not saying Operation Northwoods proves the Government did 9/11. All I was saying is that they have planned similar events in the past. Same with their excuse to go to Vietnam, that eventually came out and the reason was a fabricated one. The Government are just humans same as the rest of us. Humans can be evil, especially when there is potential financial gain.[/QUOTE] You're absolutely right, and I do think that the government had the potential to pull of such an attack if they really wanted to, and they would have done it without so many obvious and stupid errors and holes in their plan. But the thing is, why the fuck would they do it? Why? You mention financial gain, yet nothing but financial loss has resulted from 9/11 or the unrelated Iraq war. [QUOTE=Jookia;35751290]There's no conspiracy here, the US government are just morons.[/QUOTE] Can't disagree here. [QUOTE=Pepin;35751491]The US government knowingly provoked the attack. The motives made by the terrorists were made clear well before the 9/11 attacks, and the credibility of terrorist groups in carrying out their threats had been well established. It can be well assumed that if you hit a bee hive with a baseball bat, you want to get stung. It can well be assumed that if you start getting involved in an area as unstable and violent as the Middle East, that it is only a matter of time before a few attempt revenge.[/QUOTE] The attack may have been provoked, but that in no way justifies such an attack. I'm not suggesting that you were saying that. [QUOTE=crackberry;35753012]I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I think I saw something where the government had people following the people that were going to hijack the planes until just minutes before they got on the 4 flights that were hijacked. They could have prevented it, but chose not to. I don't think they planned this, but I don't think they were totally caught off guard with it.[/QUOTE] What's the motive. What's that? No motive? Oh, OK. Maybe next time you'll think before you make a claim. [QUOTE=TGKhaotik;35753670]The US makes such a big deal over 911, yet they killed more innocent people than the terrorists of 9/11, and no i didn't read any of the other posts in this thread.[/QUOTE] You're a fucking lunatic and you must have the mind of an infant to make such a post.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35753779] You're absolutely right, and I do think that the government had the potential to pull of such an attack if they really wanted to, and they would have done it without so many obvious and stupid errors and holes in their plan. But the thing is, why the fuck would they do it? Why? You mention financial gain, yet nothing but financial loss has resulted from 9/11 or the unrelated Iraq war.[/QUOTE] It may cost the tax payer billions when there is a war but some people profit from it. The companies who manufacture and supply the military equipment for example. When you research world leaders you will find they have their fingers in all sort's of pies including such companies. Making the public think we are in danger from terrorism is an excellent way to get public support for a war. The public still have the power but we have forgot that we do. The government still know the potential power of the public so they have to be pretty convincing when they want to do certain things.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35753779]Words.[/QUOTE] Explain this [video=youtube;0ptvvbaR0-U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ptvvbaR0-U[/video] [video=youtube;d1T8OgvYS-o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1T8OgvYS-o&feature=related[/video]
The reasons I am not entirely convinced on the official story are :- 1) The way the three buildings "collapse". They do so exactly the same as a controlled demolition. No steel frame buildings have ever collapsed from fire damage in history. It is hard to believe 3 would do so and on the same day. Buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 sustained much more damage than building 7 and they did not collapse. 2) There was eye witness testimony and video footage of explosions. People died in the lobby and basement of the twin towers long before they came down. There were many reports from many people of secondary explosions. NIST do not even mention this in their report. 3) NIST violated laws on how to conduct an investigation. The steel was almost imediately sent away to be recycled without being examined. Molten iron found at the site for up to a month after. They never even tested for accelerants which violated laws. A proper unbiased investigation was never done.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35754918]The reasons I am not entirely convinced on the official story are :- 1) The way the three buildings "collapse". They do so exactly the same as a controlled demolition. No steel frame buildings have ever collapsed from fire damage in history. It is hard to believe 3 would do so and on the same day. Buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 sustained much more damage than building 7 and they did not collapse. 2) There was eye witness testimony and video footage of explosions. People died in the lobby and basement of the twin towers long before they came down. There were many reports from many people of secondary explosions. NIST do not even mention this in their report. 3) NIST violated laws on how to conduct an investigation. The steel was almost imediately sent away to be recycled without being examined. Molten iron found at the site for up to a month after. They never even tested for accelerants which violated laws. A proper unbiased investigation was never done.[/QUOTE] Have you seen the picture of the steel cut diagonally so each level slides off? [img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg27/scaled.php?server=27&filename=clipimage002rxe.jpg&res=landing[/img]
Yes mate I have seen it before.
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