• 9/11
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[QUOTE=Ruzza;35754990]Have you seen the picture of the steel cut diagonally so each level slides off? [img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg27/scaled.php?server=27&filename=clipimage002rxe.jpg&res=landing[/img][/QUOTE] That was done after the collapse by Rescue workers to clear debris. I have video of them making those diagonal cuts, they do it so that the debris fell in a certain direction.
[QUOTE=TGKhaotik;35753670]The US makes such a big deal over 911, yet they killed more innocent people than the terrorists of 9/11, and no i didn't read any of the other posts in this thread.[/QUOTE] Probably because the nuking was to end a war and prevent something much worse? Not to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki both had strategic value to the Japanese military? Doing something bad does not mean its fine when something bad happens to you. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35754918]The reasons I am not entirely convinced on the official story are :- 1) The way the three buildings "collapse". They do so exactly the same as a controlled demolition. No steel frame buildings have ever collapsed from fire damage in history. It is hard to believe 3 would do so and on the same day. Buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 sustained much more damage than building 7 and they did not collapse.[/QUOTE] This is the first time a steel building falls from fire, this is also the first time a steel building has had a god fucking damn passenger plane fly into it. This is the first time the steel building had its lateral supports clipped off by said plane. This is the first time a building was left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. This is the first time a building had a FORTY story load pressing down on the damaged supports which left a TWENTY story gash.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;35756245] This is the first time a steel building falls from fire, this is also the first time a steel building has had a god fucking damn passenger plane fly into it. This is the first time the steel building had its lateral supports clipped off by said plane. This is the first time a building was left for 6-7 hours with its bottom floors on fire with structural damage from another building collapse. This is the first time a building had a FORTY story load pressing down on the damaged supports which left a TWENTY story gash.[/QUOTE] Even if it was possible for them to collapse through fire and debris damage alone, they would not collapse perfectly symetrically, straight down and at near free fall speed through the highest path of resistance. Many structural experts have said this. For them all to collapse in such a way, all the structural integrity needs to be lost at nearly exactly the same time. Plus the plane crash and fires would not burn hot enough to produce molten iron which was found at the site up to a month after.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35755476]That was done after the collapse by Rescue workers to clear debris. I have video of them making those diagonal cuts, they do it so that the debris fell in a certain direction.[/QUOTE] [img]http://americanbuilt.us/images/911/evidence-of-thermite.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Ruzza;35756682][img]http://americanbuilt.us/images/911/evidence-of-thermite.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] He just said: they were cut by the rescue workers to get into the wreckage.
[QUOTE=Ruzza;35754544]Explain this [video=youtube;0ptvvbaR0-U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ptvvbaR0-U[/video] [video=youtube;d1T8OgvYS-o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1T8OgvYS-o&feature=related[/video][/QUOTE] How could I possibly explain something I know nothing about? I am not a mechanic, architect, or engineer. But that is entirely beside the point because you have failed to present a reason why this conspiracy was formed or carried out.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35754918]The reasons I am not entirely convinced on the official story are :- 1) The way the three buildings "collapse". They do so exactly the same as a controlled demolition. No steel frame buildings have ever collapsed from fire damage in history. It is hard to believe 3 would do so and on the same day. Buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 sustained much more damage than building 7 and they did not collapse. 2) There was eye witness testimony and video footage of explosions. People died in the lobby and basement of the twin towers long before they came down. There were many reports from many people of secondary explosions. NIST do not even mention this in their report. 3) NIST violated laws on how to conduct an investigation. The steel was almost imediately sent away to be recycled without being examined. Molten iron found at the site for up to a month after. They never even tested for accelerants which violated laws. A proper unbiased investigation was never done.[/QUOTE] In order: 1) No they bloody don't, truthers try to make it look like a controlled demolition by only showing the last three seconds of the video, if you'd watch the whole thing and a controlled demolition you'd know it doesn't. 2) Two points: as has already been pointed out, those "explosion" sounds could very well have been the jumpers hitting the ground. Second: theres the fact that the building was burning out of control, these "explosions" could've been caused by fire damage. 3) Source? I've never heard that before.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35757463]In order: 1) No they bloody don't, truthers try to make it look like a controlled demolition by only showing the last three seconds of the video, if you'd watch the whole thing and a controlled demolition you'd know it doesn't. 2) Two points: as has already been pointed out, those "explosion" sounds could very well have been the jumpers hitting the ground. Second: theres the fact that the building was burning out of control, these "explosions" could've been caused by fire damage. 3) Source? I've never heard that before.[/QUOTE] 1) Huh? I have seen practically every video in existence showing the full "collapse", not some edited 3 second clip. 2) Humans splatting into the pavement go BOOM? Okay. Explain to me how people died from severe body injuries in the lobby and basement of the twin towers long before they collapsed? 3) Maybe you should do some research, it's all there.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35757375]He just said: they were cut by the rescue workers to get into the wreckage.[/QUOTE] Source?
[QUOTE=Ruzza;35757839]Source?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35755476]That was done after the collapse by Rescue workers to clear debris. I have video of them making those diagonal cuts, they do it so that the debris fell in a certain direction.[/QUOTE] Ask him.
I'm not home but when I get home I'll post what I've got and the video of them doing it. Remember how there was still a skeleton facade left after the collapse? They were afraid it'd fall over whole they were searching for survivors so they had welders cut them and they were cut at an angle like that as is common practice so it'd fall into the pile.
[QUOTE=Ruzza;35754990]Have you seen the picture of the steel cut diagonally so each level slides off? [img]http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg27/scaled.php?server=27&filename=clipimage002rxe.jpg&res=landing[/img][/QUOTE] That doesn't really prove anything. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ruzza;35756682][img]http://americanbuilt.us/images/911/evidence-of-thermite.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] yeah, thermite doesn't cut that smoothly. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35757760] 2) Humans splatting into the pavement go BOOM? Okay. Explain to me how people died from severe body injuries in the lobby and basement of the twin towers long before they collapsed?[/QUOTE] Easy, they DIDN'T
I understand how people would think suspiciously about the September 11th Attacks, but when you actually look into the facts and find the real answers to the questions you realize it's not so sketchy. I'm not going to argue against every point made by every single conspirator out there. Two Boeing 767's and about 40,000 liters of jet fuel did extreme damage to the towers. Also, in order for the towers to have fallen the fire wouldn't have even needed to melt the steel - it only needed to be hot enough for it to lose some of its structural strength, which of course it was. There were no demolition charges, for Christ's sake it was not controlled. [url]http://www.southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.htm[/url] All of this "inside job" bullshit has been debunked numerous times by numerous people; it's just ignorance. If you're trying that hard to find a reason to hate your government, you're better off saying the JFK assassination was an inside job. Really.
People who claim "LOL 911 TO START WAR TO GET OIL" need to look at the price of waging a war. For the price of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US could'ave bought all the oil there, like, twice.
[QUOTE=Riller;35760072]People who claim "LOL 911 TO START WAR TO GET OIL" need to look at the price of waging a war. For the price of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US could'ave bought all the oil there, like, twice.[/QUOTE] You say price, the tax payer pays for the war not some private investor. Where do you think that money goes? A small percentage will go in salary to the soldiers, the rest goes to private corporations who manufacture and supply millitary equipment and to oil companies who supply fuel. These companies are American companies, many of which people like George Bush own a share of. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35759665] Easy, they DIDN'T[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ[/url] watch at 2 hours 10 mins 35 seconds. watch the whole video even, you may learn something new!
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35760341]You say price, the tax payer pays for the war not some private investor. Where do you think that money goes? A small percentage will go in salary to the soldiers, the rest goes to private corporations who manufacture and supply millitary equipment and to oil companies who supply fuel. These companies are American companies, many of which people like George Bush own a share of.[/QUOTE] 1. Please provide sources which prove that defense contractors made significant amounts of money off of these wars. Also, please prove that someone who would be involved in this "conspiracy" would benefit from this. 2. Please explain how 9/11 was a contributing factor in the Iraq War.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35760825]1. Please provide sources which prove that defense contractors made significant amounts of money off of these wars. Also, please prove that someone who would be involved in this "conspiracy" would benefit from this. 2. Please explain how 9/11 was a contributing factor in the Iraq War.[/QUOTE] Research it yourself man if you are interested. Wars are very profitable for companies, its not rocket science. Tanks and guns cost alot of money, they don't just appear from thin air. Private companies make them and the tax payer pays for them. Besides the Bush family have had a long time interest in the Oil Industry. It's no secret. Google is your friend! Governments can't just go to war without the support of the people, they have to justify it somehow. Not only so their own people are happy but also so other countries don't get upset about it. As I have said before lookup "Operation Northwoods". The CIA planned to stage a terrorist attack on Americans and blame it on Cuba. JFK was pretty much the only guy who said no. The file became declassified in 1997. It is on the internet and you can read it in full gory detail.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35760825]2. Please explain how 9/11 was a contributing factor in the Iraq War.[/QUOTE] Seeing how uninformed the public is about affairs in the Middle East, it wouldn't surprise me if it was used as an excuse by government officials. Not saying that's how it played out, but it wouldn't be the first time a governing body used the ignorance of a nation's people to advance their interests. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] it also wouldn't be the first time the United States government was in bed with shady characters. like how we sold weapons to Iran in the 80's to fund death squads in Nicaragua, and gave money to militants in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35761051]Research it yourself man if you are interested.[/QUOTE] Innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof lies on the accuser: you. By telling us to look it up for ourselves you're saying you have no idea what you're talking about.
Okay, how about this: The real world isn't Modern Warfare 2. No one would ever be fucking retarded enough to do a terrorist attack on their own nation for the sake of starting a war where you can easily find a whole lot of other reasons to do so if you really want a war. Which you don't. Because wars are expensive. Only world wars are profitable, and as opposed to what conspiracy-fags want to believe, Afghanistan is a mid-level insurgency, not a world war 3.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;35761225]Innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof lies on the accuser: you. By telling us to look it up for ourselves you're saying you have no idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE] No I am not. I am saying if you truely have an interest in where money goes to then you will put the effort into researching it yourself. It seems to me that you have made your conclusions without questioning anything or attempting to find out anything. Why should I waste my time searching for good informative links when you can't be bothered to? Money is not a hard concept to fathom anyway I mean seriously. If one person spends a lot of money, another person recieves it. It really is that simple.
66,000 > 2,571.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35760341] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ[/url] watch at 2 hours 10 mins 35 seconds. watch the whole video even, you may learn something new![/QUOTE] That's not evidence.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35759665]That doesn't really prove anything. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] yeah, thermite doesn't cut that smoothly. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] Easy, they DIDN'T[/QUOTE] Uhm. There were dozens of people killed in the lobbies, basements, sky lobbies and on several floors between the impact zone and the ground. You people REALLY don't want me to start posting my picture collection. There isn't anything conspiracy related about those deaths. Most of them were caused by the severe burns people got when jet fuel ran down the elevator banks and blew the doors out of the lobby and basement dousing people waiting for them in fire. And yes, I can get you testimony and examples of Jumpers going BOOM they sound like explosions when they hit. They were really loud and you -felt- them. [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] Also regarding the 'thermite cuts' [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0[/media]
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35757760]1) Huh? I have seen practically every video in existence showing the full "collapse", not some edited 3 second clip. 2) Humans splatting into the pavement go BOOM? Okay. Explain to me how people died from severe body injuries in the lobby and basement of the twin towers long before they collapsed? 3) Maybe you should do some research, it's all there.[/QUOTE] 1 - With the two towers, you can clearly see smoke ejecting from each floor in turn as they fall. This is not what happens in a controlled explosion, it's what happens when a building pancakes. 2 - Soon after the planes impacted, shit loads of debris, fuel, and probably bodies plummeted to the bottom of the lift shafts causing destruction on a large scale at the bottom. How is this difficult to envisage? I mean, what the hell are you suggesting happened there? Government agents went around with baseball bats hitting people? 3 - Yeah provide a source. I don't think we're going to be convinced by you saying "lolol NIST violated laws"
If someone can explain why a government conspiracy involves crashing a plane into the PENTAGON of all things, then I'll believe any conspiracy theory about anything. 9/11 didn't just involve the World Trade Center -- there were two other planes, people.
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;35762726]If someone can explain why a government conspiracy involves crashing a plane into the PENTAGON of all things, then I'll believe any conspiracy theory about anything. 9/11 didn't just involve the World Trade Center -- there were two other planes, people.[/QUOTE] The conspiracy theory about the Pentagon was that the plane didn't even exist and that what hit the building was a Surface-to-Surface-Missile (which evidently had no warhead). Ya can't make this stuff up.
[quote="Matriax"]I mean, what the hell are you suggesting happened there? Government agents went around with baseball bats hitting people?[/quote] LOL! The plane did exist. I'll post this again just in case. [url]http://www.southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.htm[/url]
I'm not a US citizen. I fail to see what this accomplished if it was an inside job? It seems like the most pointless conspiracy ever.
[QUOTE=Riller;35760072]People who claim "LOL 911 TO START WAR TO GET OIL" need to look at the price of waging a war. For the price of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the US could'ave bought all the oil there, like, twice.[/QUOTE] This makes perfect sense except that there's a major difference between those who profit from war and those who bear the costs. Plus there's a great deal of economic idiocy in high levels of government. Companies who get paid to wage war and rebuild lobby for war, and they often get what they ask for. If they didn't expect to benefit, they wouldn't do this. See [URL="http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2007/01/iraq-war-brought-you-your-friends-lockheed-martin"]Iraq War, Brought to You by Your Friends and Lockheed Martin[/URL], for example.
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