• 9/11
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[QUOTE=Lukasaurus;35763740]I'm not a US citizen. I fail to see what this accomplished if it was an inside job? It seems like the most pointless conspiracy ever.[/QUOTE] The US knew about the Pearl Harbor attack too. Let its own military men/women die, so it could find premise to enter war. This could be the premise to go war and establish a base in Afganistan. Military presence and strategic benefit (keep eyes on Iran, Russia, China), Economic benefit (1 trillion worth of minerals and 6th largest reserve of rare earth minerals), Ideological benefit (US see's Islamic governments as threats). Interesting read : [url]http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/afghanistan.asp[/url]
There's no questioning this was simply a terrorist attack. What angers me is how the governments have used these events to have more control over its citizens.
[QUOTE=C47;35765994] This could be the premise to go war and establish a base in Afganistan. Military presence and strategic benefit (keep eyes on Iran, Russia, China), Economic benefit (1 trillion worth of minerals and 6th largest reserve of rare earth minerals), Ideological benefit (US see's Islamic governments as threats). Interesting read : [url]http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/afghanistan.asp[/url][/QUOTE] We have Al Dhafra airbase in the UAE to keep an eye on the middle east. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Dhafra_Air_Base[/url] We have multiple bases in Europe to keep an eye on Russia. We have bases in South Korea, Japan, Guam, and Hawaii that are all within range of China.
If you believe your Government tell's you the 100% truth. Well then you are very naive. There are many holes in the official story of 9 / 11. That's why people are asking questions not because they love a good conspiracy. If the Government provided answers then it would all be over but they don't. Take the Pentagon for example. People had to go through the courts for years under the Freedom Of Information Act requesting the video footage on what happened there. After about 5 years they eventually release 5 frames from a CCTV camera that doesn't even show a plane. The Pentagon is covered in cameras and if an American Airline plane hit then it would be on tape somewhere. It is the denial of information that makes people suspect their Government and quite rightly too. Their history of lying also adds fuel to the fire. You have to remember that the people at the top live in a completely different world to us peasants. What may sound terrible and inconcievable to you can just be necessary buisness to them.
What you perceive as holes "the slanted cut metal", "WTC 7 building" etc can be answered with things called logic. Just because you're ignorant and just because you don't know how to look into things properly does NOT mean they are holes. it just means you suck. There has not been one a piece of evidence presented by truthers, EVER that hasn't been explained with a simple answer. There ARE no holes.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35767600]After about 5 years they eventually release 5 frames from a CCTV camera that doesn't even show a plane. The Pentagon is covered in cameras and if an American Airline plane hit then it would be on tape somewhere.[/QUOTE] Yes, because in 2001 they had security cameras that recorded a full 24fps 24/7, you're lucky you got 5 frames, most bank cameras film at 1fps.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35767986]What you perceive as holes "the slanted cut metal", "WTC 7 building" etc can be answered with things called logic. Just because you're ignorant and just because you don't know how to look into things properly does NOT mean they are holes. it just means you suck. There has not been one a piece of evidence presented by truthers, EVER that hasn't been explained with a simple answer. There ARE no holes.[/QUOTE] Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things. You accept everything your government tells you without question even when there is a known history of lies in government.Even so people continue to fall for it and accept new ones all the time. It is you that sucks. The majority of people on the planet believe there is a magical wizard in the sky called god. They believe it because authority has convinced them of it and they have never openly and subjectively questioned it. Religion is just a man made system to control the masses and people buy it. The point is that I don't just buy into something because the "good guys" say it is so. I explore all avenues before I even begin to draw any conclusions. As said before it is fact that government have planned such things in the past in order to further their agenda. That is an indisputable fact which you can't deny. If they have planned such things in the past it is stupid to believe that they wouldn't do so again. I don't say 9/11 was definately an inside job, all I say is there are unanswered questions and until they are I won't just accept what authority would have me believe to be true.
Why the fuck do you think they have more than 5 frames of video of the crash?
[QUOTE=Jookia;35768325]Why the fuck do you think they have more than 5 frames of video of the crash?[/QUOTE] Why can't you type a reply without swearing? That just shows you are imature and incapable of conversation. Why would you believe that the most secure building in the world would only have 5 frames of footage? That place is covered in cameras that in 2001 would be capable of recording full video. There is no way they wouldn't have more footage of what happened that day yet we aren't allowed to see it. /fin
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768300]Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up.[/QUOTE] Oh for [B]christ's[/B] sake. [url]http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon#bigplane[/url] Again, just what are you suggesting that the alternative was? That the government deliberately tomahawked their own military HQ? To what possible end would they have to do such a thing? Surely if they were trying to convince their own population that war would be just they would hit a civilian target and cause more damage. God knows apparently you think they did that with the Twin Towers, why hit a military target elsewhere? Stop saying that people who believe the generally accepted version of events "suck". It's not even my god damn government and I think that it's true. I'm not a sheep, I'm not blind, I've just looked at the evidence and come to the fairly reasonable conclusion that the US Government did not orchestrate an attack on their own country. Beginning to sound like Four Lions... "Yes, it was us who bombed the mosque!".
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768628]Why would you believe that the most secure building in the world would only have 5 frames of footage? That place is covered in cameras that in 2001 would be capable of recording full video. There is no way they wouldn't have more footage of what happened that day yet we aren't allowed to see it.[/QUOTE] Why would you believe that they'd record full video for security reasons 24/7? Do you know how much space that'd take up, especially since digital video wasn't that popular back then? Tapes and whatnot actually take up resources. Hell, they may have had CCTV that wasn't recording, just viewing. Anything that would be recorded would obviously be low resolution to save space, not archive quality. Nobody knew 9/11 was going to happen. They had to scout out buildings to find tapes. Let's say that we're recording at 10FPS, which is more than enough for any on ground stuff, there's a plane speeding through the air and crashing in to a building. You'd be lucky to get a frame or two of that, let alone 5. Now, let me ask again, a bit more coherently: Where's your [B]proof[/B] they have more than 5 frames of the crash? This may be a bit hard to answer, seeing as how conspiracy theories don't use any proof at all, just speculation.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768628]Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things. You accept everything your government tells you without question even when there is a known history of lies in government.Even so people continue to fall for it and accept new ones all the time. It is you that sucks. [/QUOTE] To be fair, it seems rather naive to demand evidence, when evidence of he aftermath has already been provided within this thread itself, and then ignoring it completely. There are countless images of the debris of the plane, at the Pentagon almost immediately after collision. No, it may not be video but it is still proof. It also seems you can't call people out for not looking hard enough when you yourself have overlooked something not but 3 mouse clicks away.
Here's another video of the crash into the Pentagon: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MFEpYCCUgs[/media] Also, the reason why it took so long to get the footage, and why the government took the CCTV film so fast, was because it was an investigation. I mean if you look at any major investigation, you would see they weren't willing to release evidence or important documents so fast.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768300]Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. [/QUOTE] I'm not responding to the rest of your post for one very simple reason. You LITERALLY just proved my point. This thread is saturated with proof of that exact thing. [editline]30th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768628]Why can't you type a reply without swearing? That just shows you are imature and incapable of conversation. [/quote] Oh but ignoring all evidence that pretty much proves you wrong on all accounts with 'NOPE, NEVER HAPPENED' is mature? what the fuck. I hate this, that somehow you're immature for cursing. fuck you, if you're somehow offended by swearing and thinks you're incapable of conversation then you are not a person I want to converse with. There is NOTHING wrong with cursing. [quote]Why would you believe that the most secure building in the world would only have 5 frames of footage? That place is covered in cameras that in 2001 would be capable of recording full video. There is no way they wouldn't have more footage of what happened that day yet we aren't allowed to see it. /fin[/QUOTE] Secure for people trying to break in, not secure for a giant mother fucking plane smashing into it. I've BEEN to that car park, they have the cameras by the guard post only and around the front of the building, which is not in eye sight of where the attack was.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35767600]If you believe your Government tell's you the 100% truth. Well then you are very naive.[/QUOTE] This is one thing I hate about truthers: you see the whole world in black and white. Let me make this as clear as possible: just because we don't believe 9/11 was actually two lasers and an SSM rather than plane hijackings doesn't mean we immediately assume everything the government says is right. [QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35767600]There are many holes in the official story of 9 / 11. That's why people are asking questions not because they love a good conspiracy.[/quote] This would be a valid point if someone could manage to produce an alternate theory that had less holes, unfortunately they all have about 10 times as many. [QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35767600]If the Government provided answers then it would all be over but they don't. Take the Pentagon for example. People had to go through the courts for years under the Freedom Of Information Act requesting the video footage on what happened there. After about 5 years they eventually release 5 frames from a CCTV camera that doesn't even show a plane. The Pentagon is covered in cameras and if an American Airline plane hit then it would be on tape somewhere.[/quote] It's a crappy camera, but you can see a plane.
For once I wish we could get a conspiracy nut here who doesn't regurgitate verbatim the same points that have been floating around and debunked since 2004. It's like Groundhog Day: Debate Edition
As [url=rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories]RationalWiki[/url] pointed out, if they did actually have high resolution full speed video of the plane crashing, that'd probably be evidence of a conspiracy.
Also, why would Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for it if it genuinely wasn't them. It would be incredibly good for them if the American population thought their own government had done this. It would far strengthen Al-Qaeda's position.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768300]Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things. You accept everything your government tells you without question even when there is a known history of lies in government.Even so people continue to fall for it and accept new ones all the time. It is you that sucks. The majority of people on the planet believe there is a magical wizard in the sky called god. They believe it because authority has convinced them of it and they have never openly and subjectively questioned it. Religion is just a man made system to control the masses and people buy it. The point is that I don't just buy into something because the "good guys" say it is so. I explore all avenues before I even begin to draw any conclusions. As said before it is fact that government have planned such things in the past in order to further their agenda. That is an indisputable fact which you can't deny. If they have planned such things in the past it is stupid to believe that they wouldn't do so again. I don't say 9/11 was definately an inside job, all I say is there are unanswered questions and until they are I won't just accept what authority would have me believe to be true.[/QUOTE] Allow me to post this again: [QUOTE=OvB;35714417]This explains it pretty well. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8[/media][/QUOTE] I suppose that's all fake though right? [editline]1st May 2012[/editline] The plane WAS in the shot, it was just hidden behind the box. Security cameras always record in low frame rates because they sometimes record 24 hours a day. You don't even see them recording full speed video today.
You know what I hate? The fact that all conspiracy theorists, when talking about their conspiracy, literally act the exact same, so sure of themselves, so fucking adamant and so condescending.
I look back in shame at the days I actually believed 9/11 was an inside job... God, I was a retard. I also used to be a communist, so I guess I was a multi-level retard.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35767600]You have to remember that the people at the top live in a completely different world to us peasants. What may sound terrible and inconcievable to you can just be necessary buisness to them.[/QUOTE] The fuck are you talking about?
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35803793]The fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE] What he means is; THE MAYN'S KEEPIN' US DOOOWN, MAYYYN
I am surprised people seriously believe the US government is that competent to keep it a secret if it was an inside job, they seem to forget that the same people couldn't even keep a break in to a god damn hotel a secret. So how in the HELL could they keep this a secret?
Israel/Mossad did 9/11. I thought everyone knew that. The only group with the contacts, connections, motives and ability to carry out the attack then cover their trail and make huge profit from it too. The Israel/Mossad destruction of the twin towers was textbook and will be studied in the future as the perfect false flag operation. Israels/Mossads enemies became our enemies overnight and we have been fighting their wars for them in the Middle East ever since, with Iran next. And it looks like they will get away with it too. Brilliant. Absolutely superb job. 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war' ~ Mossad [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is not debating - Read the rules sticky." - Megafan))[/highlight] (User was liquidated for making this post. Criticism of Israel will not be tolerated)
[QUOTE=manhaTTan;35882027]Mossad did 9/11. I thought everyone knew that?. (War on terror). 'By way of deception, thou shalt do war'[/QUOTE] Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
Obama did 9/11 to lead Bush into two wars that'll get him unpopular so the dems would win the next two terms. Obviously. That's why his middle name is Hussein, and his name is an anagram for Osama.
[QUOTE=Riller;35885848]Obama did 9/11 to lead Bush into two wars that'll get him unpopular so the dems would win the next two terms. Obviously. That's why his middle name is Hussein, and his name is an anagram for Osama.[/QUOTE] Dude this is the obvious solution. Why do you even need to post this?
[QUOTE=Matriax;35782374]Also, why would Al-Qaeda claim responsibility for it if it genuinely wasn't them. It would be incredibly good for them if the American population thought their own government had done this. It would far strengthen Al-Qaeda's position.[/QUOTE] Many supporters of the 9/11-inside-job theory think Al-Quaida is an American puppet organisation. So America could make them claim responsibility for whatever they want.
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