• 9/11
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I think it was just a group of people who were so pissed off at us they decided to take their own life rather than do nothing about us.
[QUOTE='[GRiM];35896461']I think it was just a group of people who were so pissed off at us they decided to take their own life rather than do nothing about us.[/QUOTE] But why would they take their own lives? Why not just make a plan that can be executed without them getting themselves killed. Maybe they'd rather take their own life than face the consequences of their actions?
[QUOTE=Frodo Baggins;35969216]But why would they take their own lives? Why not just make a plan that can be executed without them getting themselves killed. Maybe they'd rather take their own life than face the consequences of their actions?[/QUOTE] The thing is, it's easier to kill other people if you kill yourself (Example: Suicide bombing). It is also something they do for Allah, according to the terrorists (It's funny because they are violating the "don't kill" rule in the Koran, so they are actually going to hell). They also want to become a martyr and get remembered in the future by other terrorists. If the terrorists are not muslims, then it's of course different, but I think they want to become a martyr aswell.
[QUOTE=manhaTTan;35882027] (User was liquidated for making this post. Criticism of Israel will not be tolerated)[/QUOTE] ummm have you been to the news section it's pretty much a circle-jerk about how terrible israel is lol
[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;35969693]ummm have you been to the news section it's pretty much a circle-jerk about how terrible israel is lol[/QUOTE] He's trying and failing to say that because he got banned for making a dumb post about Mossad that apparently means this is all a Jewish conspiracy.
I don't think the Government planned this You gain nothing out of thousands of dead bodies and millions in the the cost of destruction to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;35971529]I don't think the Government planned this You gain nothing out of thousands of dead bodies and millions in the the cost of destruction to the World Trade Center and the Pentagon[/QUOTE] patriot act a fearful public is easier to control.
[QUOTE=lotusking;35972468]patriot act a fearful public is easier to control.[/QUOTE] And when it's discovered, it will come back and bite you in the ass like a angry gator. There's always a better way then harming innocent people.
-necro bump after being linked here from a recent thread, my bad-
Let me ask conspiracy theorists a question: If the government plotted 9/11 as an excuse to invade Iraq, why would they make it appear that it was plotted by a group that Saddam Hussein was enemies with?
I'm getting more and more disappointed with the Facepunch demographics. There's such a large number of libertarians, conspiracy theorists, anarchists, and other crackpots on it now. And yes, 9/11 was a conspiracy. A conspiracy by Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.
[QUOTE=GenPol;36397759]I'm getting more and more disappointed with the Facepunch demographics. There's such a large number of libertarians, conspiracy theorists, anarchists, and other crackpots on it now. And yes, 9/11 was a conspiracy. A conspiracy by Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that this forum is a diverse place where people with differing opinions came here primarily for the love of a Half-Life 2 mod. There's nothing wrong with differing opinions, even if you might think they're crackpots.
[QUOTE=Zally13;36398137]I'm sorry that this forum is a diverse place where people with differing opinions came here primarily for the love of a Half-Life 2 mod. There's nothing wrong with differing opinions, even if you might think they're crackpots.[/QUOTE] There's something wrong when these different opinions are caused by logical fallacies and a lack of skepticism, and when such a lack of skeptical tools leads to circular reasoning, which in turn leads to the futility of debate for a great deal of these people.
[QUOTE=Zally13;36398137]I'm sorry that this forum is a diverse place where people with differing opinions came here primarily for the love of a Half-Life 2 mod. There's nothing wrong with differing opinions, even if you might think they're crackpots.[/QUOTE] Usually there's nothing wrong with differing opinions, but sometimes, with opinions like these, there is.
Illuminati.
[QUOTE=MegaLiftman;35768300]Claiming the Pentagon was hit by an American Airlines plane and then never showing evidence of it is a hole. Show the video of it happening and people will shut up. It is you that doesn't look into things. [/QUOTE] In addition to the videos other people posted, it's worth noting that this happened in the morning in one of the largest cities in the United States, so there were hundreds of eye witnesses, unless you're claiming that they were all part of the conspiracy. Furthermore, if you are trying to say that something other than a plane hit the pentagon, you have to explain the disappearance of a 757 and its 59 passengers, some of whom called their family members and told them the plane had been hijacked, so you would have to add them to the list of conspirators too. So now your list of conspirators includes the US government, American Airlines, the people on board Flight 77, and everyone in Washington DC who saw the plane as it flew over the city before crashing into the Pentagon. Are you starting to understand why that theory is a bit silly yet? If not, consider the fact that passengers remains and airplane wreckage were found at the Pentagon crash site and the remains were DNA tested, so now to keep the conspiracy going, you either have to add more conspirators faking the DNA evidence and bringing in pieces of planes, or come up with an ever more ridiculous theory that the passengers of Flight 77 were executed elsewhere and their remains were brought in to the crash site as part of the cover-up.
[url]http://motherless.com/74FA2EE[/url] Warning, Site itself, is mostly adult content with nudity, etc Anyone seen this one? What. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("What are you doing?" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=supertribute;36438343][url]http://motherless.com/74FA2EE[/url] Warning, Site itself, is mostly adult content with nudity, etc Anyone seen this one? What.[/QUOTE] this is a joke right
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36438414]this is a joke right[/QUOTE] no, it is clearly 100% completely serious.
9/11 was caused by kangaroos this is what australians actually believe seriously shutup [highlight](User was banned for this post ("This is NOT debating" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Kopimi;36438414]this is a joke right[/QUOTE] It would appear so.
[QUOTE=supertribute;36438343][url]http://motherless.com/74FA2EE[/url] Warning, Site itself, is mostly adult content with nudity, etc Anyone seen this one? What.[/QUOTE] I always trust poorly made and over-dramatised videos posted on porn sites.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;36442827]I always trust poorly made and over-dramatised videos posted on porn sites.[/QUOTE] Were you not literally just banned for posting derailing responses?
[QUOTE=_jesterk;36452084]Were you not literally just banned for posting derailing responses?[/QUOTE] no?
People who question the motives of the US government as to why they would allow an attack which has increased military spending, thus increasing profits for private companies should take a look at the current war on drugs - cannabis in particular. I realise these two situations seem very different, however on inspection could be considered similar. currently Cannabis is a schedule 1 drug, which means it has no medicinal benefits. millions is spent on private security, prisons, police and judicial systems to prosecute and detain people who have been caught with the drug. not only is that a lot of money, it is also a lot of american jobs. Recently drugs such as Marinol which use Cannabis as a base have been marketed and sold as medicine, with government approval. How can a drug which is classed as schedule 1 which has no medicinal benefits be approved for a pharmaceutical product fit for human consumption. Look at who gains from keeping Cannabis illegal; Alcohol and Tobacco industries don't have a main recreational drug in competition with their sales. The big pharma industry - holding a monopoly over the medicinal market, not to mention the fact it could be easily cultivated at home, would loose a substantial amount of money/consumers if a lot of the reports we are hearing about the benefits of cannabis are indeed true. So we have a relatively harmless substance, being prohibited under law, whose prohibition is actively generating profits for companies and industries who have large lobbies within the government; Tobacco, Alcohol, big pharma and the justice/prison industries. The government has no problem with lying or spreading misinformation in the interest of money and profits, bare in mind many of those in power previously have been affiliated with these companies or know those who are, or go on to join them. now substitute the war on Cannabis with 9/11 and the wars that followed, and the industries I mentioned with the private defence and arms contractors who gain a profit from increased military spending. Compare the people who died on 9/11 to the people who die every year in cartel and blackmarket violence as a result of the continued prohibition of this drug. by continuing the prohibition, they are creating a self-deprecating criminal underworld that does kill thousands of people, maybe not all of them in America, but certainly in neighbouring countries. I do not mean to cause offence with this, I just simply wanted to show that the Government has no qualms about lying to it's country and allow the deaths of innocent people to maintain profits and interests of certain industries. Links: [url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060526083353.htm[/url] - report on a study that found no link between lung cancer and Cannabis use [url]http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848[/url] - study that concluded that exposure to cannabis smoke, even over the long-term, is not associated with adverse effects on pulmonary function I recently wrote a paper at University about the effects of Cannabis on the mental health of users (I am a psychology student), I found a piece of research that showed that the use of Cannabis has gone up substantially in the last 30 years (something like 2000%) however the rate of diagnosis of mood disorders has remained unchanged. unfortunately I cannot find this piece of research in my notes right now but I will continue looking. point being that if Cannabis use did effect mental health we would see a dramatic increase in the number of diagnosis of these disorders (around 2000%?). [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] tldr; war on terror a lot like war on drugs - the goal is to generate money for industries.
[QUOTE=JethroTheCunt;36455310]People who question the motives of the US government as to why they would allow an attack which has increased military spending, thus increasing profits for private companies should take a look at the current war on drugs - cannabis in particular. I realise these two situations seem very different, however on inspection could be considered similar. currently Cannabis is a schedule 1 drug, which means it has no medicinal benefits. millions is spent on private security, prisons, police and judicial systems to prosecute and detain people who have been caught with the drug. not only is that a lot of money, it is also a lot of american jobs. Recently drugs such as Marinol which use Cannabis as a base have been marketed and sold as medicine, with government approval. How can a drug which is classed as schedule 1 which has no medicinal benefits be approved for a pharmaceutical product fit for human consumption. Look at who gains from keeping Cannabis illegal; Alcohol and Tobacco industries don't have a main recreational drug in competition with their sales. The big pharma industry - holding a monopoly over the medicinal market, not to mention the fact it could be easily cultivated at home, would loose a substantial amount of money/consumers if a lot of the reports we are hearing about the benefits of cannabis are indeed true. So we have a relatively harmless substance, being prohibited under law, whose prohibition is actively generating profits for companies and industries who have large lobbies within the government; Tobacco, Alcohol, big pharma and the justice/prison industries. The government has no problem with lying or spreading misinformation in the interest of money and profits, bare in mind many of those in power previously have been affiliated with these companies or know those who are, or go on to join them. now substitute the war on Cannabis with 9/11 and the wars that followed, and the industries I mentioned with the private defence and arms contractors who gain a profit from increased military spending. Compare the people who died on 9/11 to the people who die every year in cartel and blackmarket violence as a result of the continued prohibition of this drug. by continuing the prohibition, they are creating a self-deprecating criminal underworld that does kill thousands of people, maybe not all of them in America, but certainly in neighbouring countries. I do not mean to cause offence with this, I just simply wanted to show that the Government has no qualms about lying to it's country and allow the deaths of innocent people to maintain profits and interests of certain industries. Links: [url]http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060526083353.htm[/url] - report on a study that found no link between lung cancer and Cannabis use [url]http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1104848[/url] - study that concluded that exposure to cannabis smoke, even over the long-term, is not associated with adverse effects on pulmonary function I recently wrote a paper at University about the effects of Cannabis on the mental health of users (I am a psychology student), I found a piece of research that showed that the use of Cannabis has gone up substantially in the last 30 years (something like 2000%) however the rate of diagnosis of mood disorders has remained unchanged. unfortunately I cannot find this piece of research in my notes right now but I will continue looking. point being that if Cannabis use did effect mental health we would see a dramatic increase in the number of diagnosis of these disorders (around 2000%?). [editline]23rd June 2012[/editline] tldr; war on terror a lot like war on drugs - the goal is to generate money for industries.[/QUOTE] So in order to create such a war, the U.S. government destroys two important buildings in the middle of New York and then invades a totally unrelated nation.
I don't want to get involved with the ins and outs of conspiracy theories, I am merely showing that the government lies to it's people at the cost of lives and with industries making a lot of money from these lies. Personally I am unsure in my opinions on what happened, I do however trust science [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o&list=PL621A4B03C1169C78&index=2&feature=plpp_video[/media] This is a very informative video which uses the scientific approach and makes up for many of the holes in the official reports. I'm not saying it was the government, I'm not saying it wasn't terrorists, I'm saying that I don't believe the public has been told the whole truth.
[QUOTE=JethroTheCunt;36455604]I don't want to get involved with the ins and outs of conspiracy theories, I am merely showing that the government lies to it's people at the cost of lives and with industries making a lot of money from these lies. Personally I am unsure in my opinions on what happened, I do however trust science [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o&list=PL621A4B03C1169C78&index=2&feature=plpp_video[/media] This is a very informative video which uses the scientific approach and makes up for many of the holes in the official reports. I'm not saying it was the government, I'm not saying it wasn't terrorists, I'm saying that I don't believe the public has been told the whole truth.[/QUOTE] Why do you believe the public has not been told the whole truth? Why mention that "the government lies to people" if it is irrelevant to the conspiracy theory being discussed? That's off topic.
Some Middle Eastern dudes decided to blow up the twin towers, when they were actually contracted by the US to make it look like a terrorist attack in order to spread terrorism propaganda. They blew up there own towers, to give themselves and the people a reason to go to invade Iraq. With the hope that they'd find the so called evil doers who blew up there precious towers. The main reason they did it was to get oil. Blah Blah Blah conspiracy theories later, USA #1.
[QUOTE=WizardKing;36458731]Some Middle Eastern dudes decided to blow up the twin towers, when they were actually contracted by the US to make it look like a terrorist attack in order to spread terrorism propaganda. They blew up there own towers, to give themselves and the people a reason to go to invade Iraq. With the hope that they'd find the so called evil doers who blew up there precious towers. The main reason they did it was to get oil. Blah Blah Blah conspiracy theories later, USA #1.[/QUOTE] Oh here we bloody go again. Do you have a shred of proof or you just another one of the dumb saps that buy into insane theories without question? But yeah USA is the evil empire hahaha. Yes that is a fake laugh you jerk.
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